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‘Mountain MayDay Sunday 6th May @11am, Cascade Gardens’

First published April 20

Writer Richard Flanagan will join former Greens Leader Bob Brown and Denison MP Andrew Wilkie as well as reps of the Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre in defying The Cable Car Company who have said that ‘public opposition is virtually non existent’.

The event is on Sunday May 6 at 11am Cascade Gardens.

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50 Comments

50 Comments

  1. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    May 4, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    Both #53 and #54 are at least honest enough to straight out appeal to sentiment. The Mercury piece is a very elegant and heartfelt expression of the genre. It has a very strong resonance that comes out of the nineteenth century romantic reaction to industrialism.

    Eaton college in England was powerful enough to force the re-routing of the proposed railway coming past its land because of precisely the same sentiments, and in China those sentiments mostly won the day against railways until the Confucian empire itself collapsed in 1911.

    What can happen to romantic reaction is that it gets turned into a quasi religious ‘pristinist’ sacred siteism that will attack even quite minor proposed changes, like the Skyrail.

    I have spent years very publicly brawling with the anti-windfarm lobby in the Bass coast area of Victoria, and the arguments are exactly the same. The language is exactly the same. The sentiments are exactly the same. And my exasperation with it is exactly the same.

    The anti-windfarm NIMBYs are masters of all the right keyword prompts, like ‘inappropriate development’, the same catastrophising and negative speculation and the heartfelt appeals to familiarity and sense of discomfort with change.

    Sure, there is the larger question of tourism and the extent to which it can be made a sustainable industry that will give pleasure and solace to people for many generations to come without destroying the very thing it offers.

    I was very conscious when I visited Cradle mountain, of the extent of the compact of environmental stewardship that inspired the design and running of the visiting system. All the staff were so very committed to the safety and wellbeing of both people and nature.

    And sure, there will be some compromises along the way, but that doesn’t mean compromising the resource. Even four wheel drive expeditioning can be OK if it is closely managed, seasonal, route defined, GPS tracked, bio-security and waste conscious, and located well away from old growth forest, unless visitors are prepared to leave the cars and trek in.

    Whatever you or the rest of us here think, the tourism industry is a reality and the effort should be put in to make it as sustainable as it can be, which means saying yes, but with caveats that ensure protection of all the stake holders, including nature itself.

    If it is done well, there will be something worthwhile left for the grandchildren and opportunities for Tasmanians that they would not otherwise have had.

  2. Doug Nichols

    May 3, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    Re #52 … “answer the criticism instead of whingeing about it”.

    I did. You already have my reasons. See #8.

  3. Maria Grist

    May 3, 2018 at 8:44 pm

    From the Mercury some years ago …

    I have bracketed a couple of words which refer to an abortive plan to light up the mountain, but the expressed sentiment remains exactly the same today.

    [i]”Let anyone look up to the mountain on a starry night and see the solemn splendour of its greatness, as though Time had dropped a monstrous stone to mark an age! Let anyone look and watch the play of the moon on its crags, the sweep of light through its valleys, the sombre thrust of its shadows! Let them look in storm when the mists break, or the lightning plays, and then ask themselves whether a (candle), be it ever so (vast), can give to that supreme architecture of dead and remote centuries one scintilla of value that it lacks. And so I thank most earnestly those who have let no thought of tourist attraction, no idea of profit, assail that venerable monument of antiquity that is Hobart’s pride, nor rob it of its crown of serene glory.”[/i]

    — Mercury, Thursday 7 November 1935, page 8

  4. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    May 3, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    Re #51 … How very perceptive of you, Doug. You are so absolutely right.

    My considered view is that the opposition to this project is what our comrade Lenin would have referred to as a petty bourgeois infantile disorder; you know, an adolescent condition where that fuddy duddy, reactionary, fascist, right wing imperialist, bigoted, judgemental, prejudiced and (OMG, have I forgotten something?) ah yes, ‘arrogant’ Bastard Over The Bass doesn’t ‘understand’ our environmental ‘sensitivity’, ’empathy’, ‘spirituality’ and ‘insight’ into the needs of Hobart, outer suburban ‘wildism’ and ‘the people’ (even though most of them don’t vote for those defeat clutchers in the ALP, let alone the Greens).

    So you don’t like being mocked. Well then, please answer the criticism instead of whingeing about it.

    Snowy had a go, and besides the fact that I got the number of towers wrong, nothing has been said so far that shows this piece of semi-urban infrastructure is any different from any other piece of new public transport works or demonstrated that its impacts are anything more than the prejudices of a small group of unrepresentative swill who just don’t like change, or alterations to their very comfortable position in the status quo; just like Hobbits.

    Prove me wrong.

  5. Doug Nichols

    May 3, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    Re #50 … If there’s one thing that schoolchildren really hate, it is a teacher who is condescending and patronising.

    “Isn’t that right children?”

    “Yes, Miss.”

  6. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    May 3, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    Re 47 … Thank you Snowy for the corrections. OK, 8 towers, not 3. That is still stuff all, and presumably the really tall ones will be in amongst the trees .. but that is an aesthetic judgement, not an ecological one. Their ecological footprint is tiny, and much of the energy used to transport the rail cars up the mountain is offset by the weight of the traffic coming down.

    Road traffic using the road up the mountain will likely be reduced in favour of public transport, which will in some measure offset the ecological cost of the multi-storey car park

    The suburban road to that car park gets an additional 650 cars a day, you say. If we distribute that over a ten hour period, that is one a minute, which is, even allowing for peaks and troughs, not a big deal, I would have thought.

    And you wouldn’t allow a nice big wind turbine (with an equally tiny ecological footprint) on the mountain to power the whole exercise and advertise to the world how committed Tasmanians are to renewable energy because it might disturb the spirits of someone’s ancestors, right, even though you likely think genesis is a superstitious farce?

    And has Tasmania’s tourist industry reached peak? Well, I am sure it might have if it is left to the likes of you, one who actively campaigns to stymie new infrastructure, right?

    And new industries that are not tourism? What, like setting up a digital park somewhere to get a software craft industry like every other city on the planet than has lost its secondary industries?

    Are we talking cultural and creative industries here? That will work if you can get people from outside Tasmania to come in and buy their product; you know, the tourist industry.

    Sure there will be specialist niche manufacturers like the boat builders, but they are strictly boutique, mate. You want a cast of thousands, it is going to be tourism and ancillary industries that can build around it.

    And you are worried about poor old Tassie getting loved to death?

    “I mean we don’t want to become the Venice of the South, do we children?”

    “No miss …”

    With respect, you are decades away from that one. You aren’t that popular. The Venetians are getting 70,000 visitors a day. They really do have something to catastrophise about, and they will fix that by throttling off the mass traffic and concentrating on the much more profitable premium market. Very nice.

    So the question remains Snowy, what sort of set against this project do you have if it isn’t an ecological one, using standards you would apply to any other piece of new urban infrastructure in Tasmania?

    I mean an ordinary railway line is going to be much more ecologically expensive than the Skyrail. It is just bound to go over a sacred site or the grave of somebody’s ancestors. The noise will destroy the repose of those adjacent to it, or the habitat of a marsupial mouse and her family, or frighten domestic animals. It will create a horrible scar through the countryside. It will bring thousands of tourists where once there was peace and tranquillity.

    Dear Snowy, I am just repeating the same kind of bullshit that came out of the mouths of rustic bucolics, traditionalist bureaucrats in China and aristocratic owners of canals in Britain during the nineteenth century.

  7. Robin Charles Halton

    May 3, 2018 at 10:45 am

    I am not a Green supporter by any length of the imagination, but I will support the local residents affected by the cable car, and show that I prefer the view field across the front of the Mountain left as a natural landscape.

    #48 … ugly reality, agree with your comments but please use your name and be a real person please!
    #47 … likewise for old Snowy.

  8. ugly reality

    May 3, 2018 at 2:59 am

    Mr Eastman-Nagle … you can sprout your intellectual waffle until the cows come home, but there is no sound business case supporting this project.

    We are sick of propping up and bailing out dud businesses. We, who actually live here, don’t want our beautiful natural mountain landscape defaced by a cable car. We already have too many tourists and don’t need any more ‘attractions’.

    This is our HOME and it is being loved to death. Finally, the Chinese are not our friends.

  9. Snowy

    May 3, 2018 at 12:44 am

    #37 … “What really impresses me about the project is how little ecological impact it has as a piece of transport infrastructure. There is a 2.1 km uninterrupted span and only three towers in the whole system.”

    No … there are 3 towers in Section 2 from the mid-station to the summit. There are another 5 in Section 1 from the base to the mid-station. They will need to be enormous towers to clear the forest canopy in this area – and the two separate corridors of high voltage transmission lines distributing power to areas south of Hobart – that is, if safety and legal considerations permit a cable car to cross an easement of this type. I do not know if the transmission authority (TasNetworks) has been involved at all to date. I do not recall any reference by anyone to this.

    ” .. I am referring to suburban road and car parking works at the base of the mountain.” Do you mean the 3 storey concrete car park next to the 1824 brewery? Yes, a harmonious addition to the precinct, I’m sure .. on land belonging to CUB .. which has not yet indicated its willingness to participate.

    As for road works – do tell. I am unaware of any in the concepts so far provided. What I do know is that it proposes funnelling a projected 650 tourists per hour into a narrow road (Upper Macquarie St./Cascade Road) which is already experiencing problems without them, and which will flow on to exacerbate current problems with the main southern artery into and out of Hobart.

    A cafeteria at the top is not dependent on a cable car. In fact the proposed wine and whisky bar and licenced restaurant are downright scary, given the nature of the mountain road and climatic conditions at the summit with snow, gale-force winds and wind chill temperatures down to -15C.

    “And last but not least, it will help stimulate the only growth industry Tasmania has got left .. ” reveals that you really are out of touch with what is happening in Tasmania. It is certainly not the only growth industry but it has certainly been going gang busters without a cable car – but with increasing negative impacts, so much so that the University last week held a forum .. “Has Tasmania reached peak tourism?” to discuss how these pressures can be managed.

    “Instead of this Hobbity baloney, see if you can think about a real problem – like the fish farmers who really will wreck the joint if the environmental regulations governing them aren’t enforced!” Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time .. in fact it’s a mandatory skill here in “little Tassie” where political ineptitude and duplicity are relentless.

    #42 … “I think there is some very dysfunctional and probably isolated group think going on here …” No, just citizens who live on or around this mountain, not on the other side of Bass Strait, who have enormous love and respect for it and its fragile ecosystems, who think deeply about, and must live with, the realities of this project – not the fantasies of 24 hour FIFO visitors.

  10. Christopher Nagle

    May 2, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    Ian #42, I am becoming an old man and I just do not have the time left to humour or indulge anyone anymore.

    I have made some kind of a case about why the skyrail project is not an environmental threat and offers the city of Hobart and the economy of Tasmania numerous benefits.

    I am quite willing to stand corrected if what I am saying is palpably wrong, which is why I have become increasingly irritated by the obfuscation and bullshit that I have got back instead.

    It is very easy to lose sight of the bigger picture and fall into a pattern of bad judgement, obstructionism and blind and reactionary status quoism, which I think is what happened on this issue….and it doesn’t just do reputational damage to the environmental cause, but deepens the ideological trenches and ensures the continuation of a full on Mexican standoff over stuff like climate change, that has lasted since 2007.

    In China in 1936, in a place called Xi’an, a group of exasperated young turk nationalist officers kidnapped the then leader of the country and their military commander, General Chiang Kai-Shek, and promised to keep him imprisoned until they had convinced him to refocus his military energy from crushing the communists to preparing to meet the Japanese, who were obviously going to invade soon. He was forced to agree….

    The idea of doing that to certain parties here has crossed my mind…in my dreams, but we are faced with a similar existential threat and the same kind of chronic intransigence in dealing with it. If we can’t get the hardliners on the other side to see the light, we will be dragging them along like a ball and chain for the next decade at least.

    But the Greens and the remnants of the socialist left are almost as much of a problem, because their ideology gets in the way of their judgement every bit as much as it does with the Tony Abbotts!

    So whenever an environmental issue comes up, all you can hear is the sound of ideological axe grinding and trench digging, on both sides of the front.

    And I think the issue of the Mount Wellington skyrail is a classic of the genre, run by people in these columns who cannot separate their ideological prejudices from the environment issue in front of them. That is why I am very happy to play The Bastard-Over-The-Bass because if we are to save ourselves, that has to change.

    If we cannot forge a national consensus to meet the emerging environmental emergency, we are stuffed and the existing pattern of ideological intransigence will just go on until it doesn’t matter anymore.

    The Abbotts and Turnbulls are not the only people into business-as-usual.

  11. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    May 2, 2018 at 2:49 pm

    I think there is some very dysfunctional and probably isolated group think going on here that has developed a set against something that it is trying to turn into a cause celebre to rally itself and reinforce the same kind of lousy judgement that led to the recent electoral fiasco.

    This damned project is a very energy efficient way of getting large numbers of people and supplies up a slope, and then getting them and their wastes back down again. Unlike free standing transport, the energy expended getting loads up the mountain is substantially offset by the weight of the loads coming down, and is therefore relatively cheap to run.

    The actual environmental footprint is tiny. There are only three towers in the whole project. The whole thing can be very cheaply and easily dismantled, leaving virtually no trace of it ever being there, just like wind-farms.

    The project may actually reduce car traffic up the mountain because the public transport system will be so attractive to use, something which would be a rare boast for Australia.

    The project creates an enormous increase in amenity and enjoyment for people who do go up the mountain to see the fabulous spectacle of the city and its environs from above. The opposition to the project is diverting attention and energy from far more pressing environmental matters

    And last but not least, it will help stimulate the only growth industry Tasmania has got left to keep your children in employment and reduce the reasons why so many young Tasmanians leave to find opportunity

    And no I am not in cahoots with the developers, but I congratulate them on their vision and the elegance of their design. I can hardly wait for them to finish so I can come on down to enjoy the view and perhaps revisit the more subterranean ones at MONA.
    My only regret is that they aren’t going to put a wind farm on top of the mountain to power the whole thing, as it would be an ideal site for for the new GE Halliade-X 12 MW models that would not only stand out, but give the city some landmarks that would match the statue of Christ the Redeemer in Rio.

    If that sounds like I am sticking the knife into your Chardonnay environmentalism – it is. You deserve it, because you just cannot tell the difference between an ideological sacred site and a real environmental threat.

    Perhaps that more than anything else is what has contributed to the kind of policy paralysis that so blights partisan politics when it comes to saving our environmental necks, and in that you are as much a part of the problem as the coalition troglodytes on the other side.

  12. abs

    May 2, 2018 at 12:34 pm

    Geoff #35,

    We can tell that it is the real Christopher by the use of derogatory insults and labels when his position is called out.

    Last time Christopher, can you direct us to a sound business case??

  13. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    May 2, 2018 at 1:52 am

    As Paul Keating once famously said dear Geoffrey, it would seem they are ‘unrepresentative swill’ whose Hobbitlike complacency and insularity makes them blink with indignation when sunlight hits them.

  14. Geoff Holloway

    May 1, 2018 at 9:27 pm

    With respect #35 … Christopher Eastman-Nagle. Who do you think to are to say people against the cable car are ‘giving environmentalism a bad name’? All the people I know who are concerned about environmental issues and have been actively involved for the past 50 years + .. the new generations of environmental activists .. are ALL against the cable car!

  15. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    May 1, 2018 at 8:34 pm

    Snowy #35 … I am referring to suburban road and car parking works at the base of the mountain.

    What really impresses me about the project is how little ecological impact it has as a piece of transport infrastructure. There is a 2.1 km un-interrupted span and only three towers in the whole system.

    And all that has to be done when the time comes to dismantle the wretched thing when it has outlived its usefulness is to pull the 3 whole pylons and wires down. The blocks of concrete they are sitting can stay and become a seamless part of the mountain. The original road will still be there with a rather nice centre, viewing platforms and cafeteria at the top that one can enjoy instead of sitting in the car with a flask of Nescaf.

    You self-righteous NIMBYs are giving environmentalism a bad name, just like your anti-windfarm mates.

    Instead of this Hobbity baloney, see if you can think about a real problem – like the fish farmers who really will wreck the joint if the environmental regulations governing them aren’t enforced!

  16. spikey carswell

    April 30, 2018 at 10:41 pm

    if i may be so bold
    perhaps chris is actually nathan

    he’s been quiet lately

  17. Snowy

    April 30, 2018 at 10:34 pm

    #34: Before we go any further: “… most of the footprint for this project will be in the upgrade of the road and car parking”. Which road?

  18. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    April 30, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    Look guys, most of the footprint for this project will be in the upgrade of the road and car parking. The cable car system is a series of pylons with very small concrete pads to hold them up, just like wind turbines. And they are very easily dismantled and recycled

    So what we are really talking about after all the environmental gassing off is ‘environmental’ aesthetics; not even that really so much as visual prejudices, just like the anti wind farm people.

    Worse, all this anguishing is the sort of discussion you would expect to hear amongst a bunch of deeply habituated shire hobbitses and preciouses who are catastrophizing about an unusually large pumpkin being grown down at Bag End….

  19. Geoff Holloway

    April 30, 2018 at 9:07 pm

    Given what Rob Walls has pointed out, is it possible that Christopher Eastman-Nagle as posted on this site is not actually Christopher Eastman-Nagle but someone else using his name?

  20. Rob Walls

    April 30, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    I suspect that Christopher Eastman-Nagle is nothing more than a gun-for-hire. Almost everything he has written here appears to be in conflict with his writing in, The Secular Fundamentalist which was linked to in Tasmanian Times in December 2015: http://www.oldtt.pixelkey.biz.au/index.php/article/the-making-of-a-post-modern-testament-

    Here’s just one example:

    “The most fundamental axiom of the industrial system is the belief that there is an unconditional right to use and exhaust every resource that inventiveness can devise. Massive capital stock, fast track technology, enterprise gigantism and global integration means the entire planet is being converted into one giant mining, processing and dumping facility for the sole benefit of humans; particularly the wealthiest ones. Large scale species loss and environmental degradation is not just a regrettable side effect, but the principal effect of an underlying philosophy of domination more absolute than the divine right of kings. This ideology is so all pervasive, even attempts to defend eco-systems from demolition have to be couched in terms of potential alternative human ‘resource’ values.”

    He is right of course, but now he seems to be championing the right of the individual to develop and destroy unhindered. And here he now decries our right to object to and protest against his “fundamental axiom”.

  21. Snowy

    April 30, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    #28 … “You sound like a spokesman, Christopher .. or rather, new to Tasmania.”

    I believe Christopher lives outside Tasmania and, from his comments, he appears to be out of touch with economic developments in this state and, in particular, the state of tourism in “little Tassie”.

  22. Snowy

    April 30, 2018 at 12:44 pm

    #27 … ” .. to everyone who mostly only see the mountain from the bottom”. Anyone who has the slightest interest can currently sit on their backsides and be transported painlessly, at no or little expense – certainly much less than a cable car – to the top. If it’s an adrenaline rush you want, I suggest hang gliding over the organ pipes – something which will be banned if the cable car is built.

  23. abs

    April 30, 2018 at 12:48 am

    You sound like a spokesman, Christopher .. or rather, new to Tasmania.

    Again can you direct me to the business case? I thought not!

    When the company lodges a bond, equal to estimated removal costs for this project, then the losses will be with the investors. Till then, these people appear parasitic

    What I predict is that access will be restricted or other restriction or disadvantages (fees for vehicle access or parking) will be introduced. All because investors must not lose money.

    What politician would call for the removal of the cable car from the public simply due to that incy wincy problem that the company needs bailing out. “NO!” would be the cry, followed by “invest the removal bond into the project, that’ll keep her running a bit longer .. then the beloved cable car will begin, truly, to suck from the public teat.

    And they (the parasites) all lived happily ever after. THE END.

  24. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    April 29, 2018 at 10:21 pm

    Abs, re #25 … the only reason something is ‘too big to fail’ is because of the collateral damage to other entities if it does.

    The Commonwealth Bank is probably too big to fail because its failure would be both a direct and indirect catastrophe that would cause so much ruinous chaos in financial markets that it just couldn’t be contemplated. However a cable car isn’t exactly critical infrastructure. It is a privately funded pleasure vehicle that enables locals and tourists alike to really appreciate what a lovely place Hobart really is.

    If it goes down, the investors lose their money, their bankers might get cents in the dollar and we will all cry into our teabags, but it ain’t going to wreck the joint.

    So dear Abs, calm the fevered brow. Cable car financial catastrophe is not around the corner, or even in prospect ..OK?

    The damned thing is going to be an absolute cracker, and I can hardly wait rush down from Melbourne to get on board and get some Hobart eye candy. Look forward to see you there, perhaps.

    And I think when the naysayers and beard pullers have had their fill of whingeing and actually see what fabulous access it will give to everyone who mostly only see the mountain from the bottom, they will get on board.

    If I were a young man, that is where I would take all my first dates .. romance .. fear of heights … ooohhh!

  25. Stu

    April 29, 2018 at 3:12 pm

    Skyrail in Cairns received considerable protest prior to construction.

    Same old arguments, it would ruin the world heritage area, be a visual eyesore, not worth it, etc.

    It is not visually obtrusive and it has brought nothing but benefits. Having been on it twice I think it is brilliant, and so do all the other tourists who enjoy it, and those who benefit from jobs, and I bet 99% of the people are glad of its existence.

    But no, you can’t do it here in Tassie, it will ruin the mountain! I’m betting the bulk of those against it are just locals who seem to think they own the mountain .. and to hell with providing something that could benefit the wider community.

  26. abs

    April 29, 2018 at 3:07 pm

    Christopher, where exactly can one find the business case?

    It is not up to me to demonstrate that it will fail economically .. it is up to the proponents to demonstrate a business case.

    “Nobody risks millions of their own money without assessing risk and deciding on balance of probability that it is a good bet.”

    I agree. The ‘good bet’ aspect of this is found on the mentality of ‘get it up and running so it will be too big to fail’, thus once it starts to fail, the special deals from mates in government come in, and the taxpayer starts to prop up another dud.

    Check out John Lawrence’s writings on how much the taxpayer has bailed the forestry industry out. Think of the reality that the industry, and both major sides of Government, were continually spruiking the pulp mill at the same time that every major financial institution in the world behaved in a way that the project would be a failure.

  27. walk simply

    April 29, 2018 at 2:48 pm

    Walking simply is a reconciliation activity and something that people have engaged in over 1000s of years. Also positive for children’s health. A gorgeous, simple family experience, too.

    Who wants to travel to the summit in a glass box – how boring!

    Mini buses can help to relieve car congestion to the summit.

    It does not matter if there are days when the road is closed due to / ice snow. This is a breathtaking time to simply gaze at Kunyani from a distance and be humbled that we cannot control everything.

    And a joy for mountain cross-country skiing.

    Promote the environmental and scientific and ecological and cultural/heritage values – and remember that we hold Kunyani in trust.

    Just because other cities have cable cars does not imply that we need one. How lucky are we that we do not have a cable car? Cable cars are boring – they limit what people can do when immersed in experience.

    Persons living with disability can access Kunyani experiences as there are several wide gravel walkways, including at the summit. There is also provision for mountain bikes.

    For example people enjoy getting close to the flowering plants on Kunyani, noticing bird life and just sitting having a picnic, or walking along the historic trails that are works of craftsmanship. Planning and going on a walk is a skill for children and adolescents along with their parents, and something that brings a sense of achievement and accomplishment. Hop like a robin on the giant boulders.

    These are the values that the Hobart City Council needs to promote. Go for walking and interpretation.

    Beware the threat to our human identity in a mechanised world. We need refuge from metallic clutter.

    Tourists increasingly value and cherish simple nature based experiences, rather than being spat out of a machine-they can do this elsewhere.

    Unfortunately I feel that a public vote on the cable car proposal; as proposed by Mr Briscoe at the HCC, will have a result along party political lines.

    What we need to do is to promote the values of Kunyani in accord with The Wellington Park trust.

    Mr Briscoe and the HCC would be better placed spending funds on values promotion, and ensuring transparency of decision making at the level of the Mt Wellington Trust. It would be helpful if there could be community representatives on the committee.

    The facts thus :

    There has been no development proposal submitted by Mr Bold – only lots of manipulation, the latest being the proposal to cheat and to erect a life size “scaffold” at the summit.

    We are yet to see an ethical process.

    It is an outrage that the current state government is dividing the community. It needs to show due diligence and leadership. and stand up for one of our unique places. and to tell Mr Bold to do something else – how about a tourist ferry with a shuttle bus link to Kunyani and the Cascades Brewery – – keep it simple. People are sick of divide-and-rule boringly ugly pretentious projects. We do not need a cable car and further metallic erections of male powerplays and white privilege on Kunyani.

    Tasmanian artist Max Angus revered the mountain, and approached the beauty and mystery of spirit of place with reverence and humility.

    There is widespread opposition including concerns that aboriginal people have been treated with disrespect.

    The proponents of the cable car play divide and rule of the community. There is no consultation.

    If Mr Bold cared about meeting community needs then there are many other opportunities to have a tourist venture that is ethical. We do not “need” a cable car.

    It is an outrage that Mr Bold is claiming to have a social licence by trying to bribe the community with his empty promise of free rides for Tasmanian school children. Children do not need free rides in a boring glass box.

    We have an obesity problem in Tasmania, and high rates of chronic illness that is linked to disadvantage social exclusion and a need for more opportunities to walk and to cycle on a bike, and to feel a sense of achievement.

  28. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    April 29, 2018 at 2:28 pm

    Re #22 … I would never use cliches Abs, and ‘progress’ is a double cliche because it works just as dubiously for those who think they are politically ‘progressive’ as for developers.

    You are speculating already on economic failure for the cable car before it has opened and without having checked its financial arrangements.

    I haven’t checked either, but like most commercial risk, it is usually taken by the proponent. And in this case it likely was not the government that was desperate to put in the infrastructure so much as that the proponent who saw an ace commercial opportunity.

    Nobody risks millions of their own money without assessing risk and deciding on balance of probability that it is a good bet.

    No single piece of infrastructure is essential to the success of the tourist industry. What happens is that the growth of that industry produces commercial opportunity to profitably build on it and increase its overall attractiveness. That will suck in more customers to the industry as a whole, directly create more construction, running, maintenance work and generate additional collateral spending on accommodation, food and beverages, other recreational sites/sights and miscellaneous tourist related goods and services.

    Much more importantly, in the longer term, the tourist industry will attract new citizens with a lot of skills and capital to invest in little Tassie.

    The Chinese are particularly valuable new citizens who bring us a plethora of new commercial and cultural links into our greatest trading partner. And they understand the meaning of work and enterprise.

    Very nice .. Marvellous people .. We have much to learn from them.

  29. abs

    April 28, 2018 at 6:39 pm

    “Progress” is equally ideological waffle, Christopher.

    Can you direct me to a comprehensive business case for this cable car? Or are we, the taxpayers, going to end up ‘paying the bills’ for this terrible idea?

    As far as I can make out, little Tassie is doing pretty well in the tourism stakes, and a cable car is not needed for little tassie to continue to do well through tourism.

  30. Geoff Holloway

    April 28, 2018 at 6:15 pm

    #18, TGC, that´s a very BOLD thing to say!

  31. Geoff Holloway

    April 28, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    #18, the difference this time is lots of local people power! Incidentally, when the ABC tower was built the promise was that the other tv tower would be removed, but I agree, the ABC tower is a monstrosity!

  32. W. Ramanovich

    April 28, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    What is so different about a cable car development against every other development that has been done on the summit of Mt Wellington ?

    Just look at your hypocrisy. How many of you receive ‘Your ABC’ from that concrete erection up there?

    If that plateau up there is so sacred, why are you not campaigning to remove all the industrial scum, and return the space to its original purity ?

    I hope there are plans for a fantastic restaurant as well.

    W Ramanovich

  33. TGC

    April 28, 2018 at 3:06 pm

    There are some pretty devious folk on the ‘Against the Cable Car’ campaign – and some pretty shonky arguments against it.

  34. George Smiley

    April 27, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    We can’t help ourselves. Like H.L.Mencken said .. “No-one ever lost money underestimating the taste of the American public” .. they who are disconcertingly like us when you get to know them; clones almost if you armed everybody in Tasmania with military-grade firearms and wound them up like ants with a twig on some previously non-existent threat.

    Doubtless transforming stodgy little Hobart into some kind of Luna Park will appeal to millions of Chinese and other visitors .. everybody has seen their art and amusing TV programs. But leverage turns success so easily to disaster. The whole country is borrowing money to cash in on a global bonanza of middle class spending money generated in a zero interest world even as US 10 year treasuries have just sliced through 3% with China and the EU not far behind.

    The important thing for Hodgman and cronies is NPL and OPM; ‘No Personal Liability’ and ‘Other People’s Money.’ Whatever happens they will walk away flush. The rest of us won’t be so lucky when so much is always discovered to have been our own.

  35. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    April 27, 2018 at 2:04 pm

    Re #7 … Geoff, ‘Spirituality’ is just another way of saying you are too attached to the status quo and your past familiarities to contemplate change. That is preservationism rather than conservation and less about ecology and more about your taste and personal sentiments.

    ‘Spirituality’ is just an ideological waffle up which a lot of your mates are wont to vigorously point out when say Christians open their mouths on some subject you have strongly divergent views on.

    Sure, the natural world is shrinking fast, and the reason for that Geoff, is that it is being ripped out by extraction, farming and urban mega development. But of all those intrusive uses/misuses, tourism is easily and by far the least of them.

    Beggars cannot be choosers, Geoff. The natural beauty of little Tassie is the last asset it has got left to sell.

    The bottom line mate, is that if some Elon Musk came along with a proposition to build a battery giga plant on the Derwent River, you would be up in arms about its inevitable pollution and gigantic size, just like you were about the Kraft mill. And fair enough.

    So what is little Tassie going to live on when it reaches the limits of sustainable forestry, fishing, farming and hydro, other than federal government handouts? What are your children going to live on, especially if they have enough talent to get an education and want a better kind of job? Must they leave for other places to find opportunity?

    Tourism is the last man standing. Like the British, when the industrial revolution ran out of steam, they turned the place into a museum for the more industrially successful to come and gawp at.

    And it pays the bills …

  36. John Hawkins

    April 27, 2018 at 1:42 pm

    Halton … Tasmanian Governments both Labour and Liberal have resolutely opposed any form of landscape protection on this island.

    Why? Woodchips, Woodchips – and yet more Woodchips!

    Why are there are no Heritage Listed Landscapes in Tasmania? Answer: because there is no landscape protection legislation. It is open slather.

    The World Heritage listing of the Western Tiers was challenged before UNESCO by Abetz and his troglodyte Liberal zombies.

    Nothing is safe.

    Nothing is sacrosanct.

    In the premeditated political world of woodchip protection, nothing can be done to protect our wonderful landscape.

    For that you can thank Abetz – the Green hater; Bryan Green (the three times before the courts former Labour Leader); the gambler and pokie-promoting “Exploded Sav” Lennon – now on a retainer from the gambling cartel, and Rolley, late of Forestry Tasmania and now of Tas Ports and Ta Ann.

    These charming, all time great Tasmanian treasures will all be in the first cab up the mountain.

  37. Geoff Holloway

    April 27, 2018 at 12:02 pm

    #12 … The Lost World is a very important but perhaps not so well recognised climbing area with some very difficult but shorter climbing routes.

  38. Robin Charles Halton

    April 27, 2018 at 9:58 am

    My safe bet is that Cable car will change again the relatively delicate political balance at remains at a tipping point since the recent State election fought hard by the Liberals to retain power over ( not for) the Tasmanian people!

    Insufficient public consultation will result in what could be a pretty dirty outfall for the government who are not really listening to public opinion as for most of us have our own combined personal connections to the mountain!

    It will be an interesting day to see the political divisions come together over a common cause, please no ranting, stick to the point which is saving the front of the mountain from natural landscape intrusion by a mechanical cable car apparatus which has little benefit both economically and absolutely none aesthetically!

    One does not have to be a radical Greenie to appreciate the importance of leaving the mountain relatively untouched particularly along its prominent A classification landscape zone that should remain untouched by more human footprint other than the existing summit road power line easements and dozed track networks!

    Hopefully on May 6th assembly there will not be too much political ranting by the Greens to suit their political agenda!

    I suspect that the likes of Andrew Wilkie will speak in a conciliatory tone more in line with general public expectations as he usually does manage a sympathetic voice which is a rare attribute for a politician in this age of fast tracking!

  39. Doug Nichols

    April 27, 2018 at 1:08 am

    That might be what you want, but it isn’t (necessarily) what I want!

    I don’t want the one they are proposing and I’m not going to join a campaign to support any other one any time soon (I was very strongly opposed to that dreadful idea back in the 90s, for example), but if the right idea came along I might find myself in favour.

    Unobtrusive and discreet would be the adjectives I’d be looking to apply. It’ll never happen, so the practical reality is I’m on your side.

    What’s the big deal about running next to the Lost World anyway? It’s not exactly a remote wilderness running with dinosaurs. Why the exclamation mark at the end of #9? That tells me you believe a cable car running next to the Lost World is so self-evidently and shockingly sacriligious that you don’t even need to explain what’s so bad about it. Well you do need to explain. It seems to me a reasonably acceptable idea as opposed to the frontal assault MWCC have in mind. Not that it exists anywhere except in my head, of course, but as a hypothetical suggestion, I stand by it.

  40. Geoff Holloway

    April 26, 2018 at 11:35 pm

    That is exactly what the MWCC want us to do, Doug Nichols – suck us in to argue about which is the least worst when what we want is NO CABLE CAR at all on the mountain!

  41. Doug Nichols

    April 26, 2018 at 11:02 pm

    Re #9 … Why crazy? It could come up the boulder field that ends at Big Bend. Lost world is off to the side of that. Close-ish, I grant you, but not exactly “in your face” as the organ pipes plan is.

    You’re safe from that though. The developers will never go that way. It doesn’t have the wow-factor of the direct assault on the Organ Pipes. That’s all they care about.

    Wherever a route is proposed, I get the feeling someone is going to say “but that will go straight past x”. Maybe we need to look at all the potential x’s and decide which ones to vigorously oppose and which not.

  42. Geoff Holloway

    April 26, 2018 at 8:30 pm

    Crazy idea Doug Nichols! – if your idea was adopted then the cable car would be running next to the Lost World!

  43. Doug Nichols

    April 26, 2018 at 6:58 pm

    I have three particular arguments against the cable car:

    1. The proposed route, directly in front of the most visually distinctive, dramatic and much-loved feature of the mountain strikes me exploitative, thoughtless and arrogant.

    2. I remain to be convinced that the summit complex can be kept unobtrusive and not become a blot on the landscape.

    3. A big plus in many people’s minds is that the cable car will allow access to the summit when the road is closed. This is a mistake. Sure, there will be such times when a cable car would do a roaring trade and the road is too icy to be opened, but those days are quite rare. Most often conditions on top are incredibly unpleasant, even dangerous when the snow is fresh and the storm has not yet abated. Families with children won’t want to venture out of the terminus building! A stop at a lower point, such as Big Bend, would be much better and yet the cable car will offer no such option. It’s the top or nothing.

    Properly address those three issues and I might even be on-side, but it hasn’t happened yet.

  44. Geoff Holloway

    April 26, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    A relativistic, strawman argument Christopher Eastman-Nagle – this is not an either/or argument.

    This is not about Lake Pedder (which will be restored one day) or forestry or fish farming or big industry. This is about the special, almost spiritual connection that people have with a mountain that they see and feel everyday; a mountain that forms an ever-changing natural backdrop to their lives.

    Natural landscapes are disappearing at an exponential across the world – so let’s keep as much of Tasmania in its natural state as possible because its true value cannot be measured by economic rationalists.

    The true value of natural places increases as, unfortunately, in most parts of the world, natural landscapes are shrinking. This is an argument for preserving our backyard against the new god in Tasmania – tourism.

    Given the expansion of tourism across the world, and the structural reasons behind that, the number of tourists coming to Tasmania will reach about 2 million by 2026 – without any promotion. Sure the idea of a cable car sounds good to some people (but very few will benefit) – and the cargo-cult mentality continues, along with backroom deals, takeovers of land and government/corporate collusion …

  45. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    April 26, 2018 at 3:12 pm

    The cable car will have far less visual impact than wind turbines. Its footprint will be around the same as wind turbines.The new road access will make the drive up to the top more pleasant and safer, encourage more people to go up there and enjoy the stupendous views the mountain offers, even if they do not use the cable car.

    It will be a fabulous asset to the city and put it on a lot of peoples’ bucket list of places to visit, including mine.

    For heaven’s sake guys, put your passion and effort into something that really environmentally matters, like the flaming fish farming industry, whose lousy practice is going to irretrievably
    compromise the industry and parts of the coastline in the longer term.

    The cable car is little more than a three dimensional tram that turns Mount Wellington into an important urban asset for the future of the city and a tourist industry that is going to employ and feed your bloody children, and keep them in Tasmania instead of having to go to the mainland to find a job!

    And my friends tourism is going to be only new industry that Tasmania is likely to get, so it is that or economically rot in the kind of genteel poverty that some of you have obviously got used to.

    Tourism is not without its impacts, but all that effort to save Lake Pedder can now pay off as something that is still worth looking and marvelling at. You have saved much of Tasmania’s forestry from being woodchipped. Getting tourists to wander through it seems a small price for the economic loss of the forestry. You beat off a paper kraft mill that would have destroyed an environment that is now still worth looking at.

    The industry of looking is not nearly as impactful as any industry I can think of, especially if it is designed and managed properly, which I think is where the effort needs to go, rather than obstructing your own economic future.

    Thank your lucky stars that it isn’t heavy industry and the need to wear a face mask to go to work that the Chinese want to bring here. You just don’t seem to be aware of how incredibly privileged you are to be living in such an enchanting place that people are going to love.

    And your worst bloody problem is going to making sure they don’t love it to death. On a scale of ecological threat from one to ten, that is about a two….You poor babies…

  46. Robin Charles Halton

    April 26, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    Any government with a brain should realise that Hobart, as a rapidly modernising city attracting both new residents and consequential development, should seriously position itself to vastly improve roading access from the Southern region by bypassing the city to alleviate increasing congestion along its two main streets, Davey and Macquarie Sts.

    The Cable car is a childish distraction as it does not really improve access to the mountain at all.

    Similar issues circulate around Commuter ferries across the Derwent, not mentioning that unnecessary desire to install northern suburbs with Light rail.

    The State government has now taken over two critical streets, so now is the time to have mature conversations about serious roading infrastructural issues including alternative roading on the Eastern shore from Sorell-Penna-Cambridge linking onto the Eastern Outlet as well as a more rapid route linking through Lindisfarne towards the Bowen bridge to serve the needs of a far Greater Hobart now emerging faster than the government cares to respond.

    Fiddling around with a cable car, causing public anguish for some, just goes to show how inert the Hodgman government has become now that it has been lazily elected for another term.

    The cable car route more than likely interferes with any city bypass route, especially close to Cascade land which is currently under review for lease to facilitate the cable car, I believe.

    Great pity we do not have alternative political views on the issue that would give the impact where it is needed, thereby far improved roading infrastructure to serve our outer suburban areas.

    Any alternative views with posts on TT, please do so before the cable car distraction claims the Hodgman government for using storm trooper tactics.

  47. Ron

    April 22, 2018 at 10:25 pm

    Money, Money, Money…
    Hodgmans mates have got the money
    He’ll give them OUR World!

    Scum sucking parasite, one of many!

  48. mike seabrook

    April 22, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    wait until there is talk of restricting cars and costs for tolls and carparking on the mountain.

    ask the state pollies and the hobart city councillors what they have promised.

  49. Geoff Holloway

    April 22, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    Sorry John, but the cable car is not going to happen! There are too many passionate people and multiple community groups and organisations who are determined to stop this sacrilege!

    It will come to symbolise the reverse of what you have suggested.

  50. john hayward

    April 22, 2018 at 3:52 pm

    This cable car will come to symbolise the triumph of Tasmanian commercial interests over the environment, over aesthetics, over governmental integrity, and over any other politically correct abstraction you can think of.

    John Hayward

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