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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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One for the Men: On Prostitution and Thankfulness

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First published February 17 …

“Oh you’re different though. You’re not one of those feminists who hate men.”

Perhaps because my reputation as a sex-negative-man-hating-radical feminist sex-trade abolitionist-banshee precedes me, I often encounter this smiling, insistent comment/question half way through almost any conversation with someone new. Some men await confirmation with their eyes glancing towards the nearest exit, others however are already at mental rest, and need to be dissuaded of the comfortable notion that somehow I disapprove of women who do indeed hate men.

I don’t.

So now we’ve got that out of the way, I’m going to try and address something I find infuriating in experiencing women who are pro-prostitution or neutral about it who disingenuously use the “You’re a man, what would you know?” card on men who abhor the sex-trade. By men who abhor the sex trade I don’t mean men who seek cookies for abstaining from using prostituted women and think they are exceptional for it – ( lame-arse, self-aggrandising bores; not being a paying sexual abuser earns you exactly zero credit from my perspective and you’re probably lying anyway ) – but those who actively fight against male entitlement to buy women and girls as sexual commodities.

You see, a lot of men get a disproportionate amount of credit for simply not killing and raping and it is a bit tiresome to have to pat your son, husband, nephew, uncle, boyfriend, friend or father on the head for the act of not behaving like a cuntless wonder. But men who actively fight against the sex-trade are absolutely crucial to abolishing it because without male demand to end paid sexual abuse in the form of prostitution and pornography (filmed prostitution), women like me would have no hope whatsoever of seeing the back of it or it’s apologists.

Put simply, if men stopped paying to sexually use us then all this trade in human beings for sexual access would stop, end, cease to exist.

Women who feign being insulted by women like me who call them out every time they insist prostitution is feminist tend to try and silence me with patronising or hostile dismissals or rebukes. Men sit back and enjoy us arguing.

But there is another way they try and do this and it is also very effective. They leap-frog me in conversation and go for the jugular of the nearest man who supports the abolition of the sex trade.

I am quite a fan of the “You’re a man, you have no right to discuss women’s’ experience” charge. It’s accurate, and it is about as close to telling men to bugger off as I can get without threat of being physically attacked by them, especially if I do it from the distance of the blogosphere. That is quite telling of womens’ very real fear of being raped , beaten and murdered by men every minute of every day globally.

Yes, right now a man is buying a woman, a man is raping a woman, a man is beating a woman, a man is murdering a woman. Oh yawn, how dull. Can’t we make this reality a human right? Can’t we make this sexier? It is so boorrrrrrriing.

With that in mind I’m going to tell pro-prostitution women to stop using the important actual necessity of telling men to bugger off when it comes to women’s rights when they don’t give a shit themselves, and to take their disingenuous arguments about men not having the right to speak about what men do to us, and shove it.

Women, if you are pro-prostitution you are not a feminist. So stop leap-frogging prostitution survivors and faking enthusiasm for women’s rights. You have no politics and no right to argue for our oppression as a class.

I mean what the actual fuck? Don’t even try to go straight to the men who refuse to buy us and organise against our purchase by using me as a platform to ignore. I may not like men very much but aren’t you a tad, bit, completely obnoxious to target them because you are afraid to target me? You have no argument that isn’t vacuous so it is easy to go for these men instead of me because I’ll pin your argument down and dismantle it and you know it.

You’ve got away with so much woman-hating shit by being female that I’ve come to hate you (ideologically anyway) myself. But then, the material and psychological reality of living under patriarchy means that my hatred or even vague dislike of you is irrelevant because a whole lot of men will let you live and stroke your ego for standing up for them. It won’t stop them from abusing you in the long run, but it may keep you safe in the moment. I get it.

I mean I really get it. This is exactly what prostituted women must endure to stay alive in a world where appeasing men neither guarantees our security from male violence but in capitalist-patriarchy we cling to because it is easier to side with rapists and other entitled shits and call it a choice than it is to stop them.

There is nothing psychologically complex about this. How many times have you heard women over a coffee laugh at how stupid men are? How many times have we all had a giggle at men being like ‘children’? Too many times to count because we do it incessantly. Am I right?

It makes life endurable to laugh at men. For example, I personally cringe at crude humour, but put me together with some of the smartest women I know- survivors of prostitution – and in no time we are cracking jokes about the men who have paid to rape us. It is incredibly human; this natural cohesion and cackling at the lowest common denominator. What is important to realise is that the prostituted are not the lowest, it’s the scum-bags who buy us who are. We know this. Alone with a man we know he could easily bash us to death for laughing at him. Every woman knows this. Even capitulating to the use of hierarchical language such as “low” and “high” is a capitulation to structures of superiority but here we are. Surviving as best you can is a double-edged sword.

Allow me to show you a group of white self pro-claimed ”sex workers” promoted by the BBC . Check out the snark, check out the eye-rolling and complete dearth of ethical responses to (some) genuine claims and queries in this cleverly grafted pro-prostitution propaganda:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/af17c3e5-02aa-40ce-8d7f-ba57a07a934c

One would imagine that these are the real faces of prostituted women. It reminds me of the signs of smiling pigs and cows outside butcher shops. The chicken giving you the thumbs up to eat them.

Oh my, did I just equate “sex workers” with pigs, cows and chooks?

Why yes I did. How else do you think men who buy us think of us?

If you don’t think the way men think of us impacts on their choice to buy us you are bonkers. Or perhaps, as happens in almost any other group of people,you are clinical narcissists. eg. One of the women in this clip defended her right to be a “sex worker” on the basis that she pays her taxes as if contributing to the GDP, which furthers the expansion of the sale of a class of people, is a good thing because she is choosing it for herself and this makes the sex-trade just fine because it isn’t harming her personally.

Well, I don’t subscribe to right-wing ideology. I don’t subscribe to Thatcherite-Reaganism and the oppression of the majority based on the applause of the few.

Apart from the complete lack of structural analysis – (the fact that decriminalising johns and pimps leads to the inevitable expansion of the sex-trade in those who do not want to be in it) – I could not care less how these “sex workers” earn a living. It is actually cringe-worthy how they think they are so risque, interesting and misunderstood. They are so unutterably boring it would be laughable if the sex-trade truly was harmless.

It’s laughable until you are trying to find a way out of prostitution and people keep shoving it down your throat that this is a job like any other. It is laughable until you realise that the lies you tell about orgasms (above, I mean really, are you shitting me?) become the lies you tell not just the men who buy you (some of whom will beat you if you do orgasm by the way), but the lie you tell yourself and everybody else. It is laughable and apparently so hilarious, to talk down to any one who asks questions about the reality of prostitution, roll your eyes at them, explain you are a professional “submissive” (not a real one- hahahaha) or dominatrix (who doesn’t have to be penetrated but gets to bash the shit out of men who like it – go you!). It’s laughable until you’ve been years in prostitution and the men stop paying for you unless the acts get more and more violent. It is laughable until you realise you still don’t have that flat you were saving for and no proper work experience anywhere else.

You can go into the fetish market of course. Women who are fucked while sleeping? Men who fetishise wrinkles and rolls? Men who want to fuck us when we are dressed as 2 year olds? Men who want our emotional energy and to be cuddled like babies while they chew our breasts and shit in diapers? Men who want to fuck their mothers and grandmothers but feel like they are sick for wanting to? Aw, poor men. Yes, it is disgusting wanting to fuck your mother or grandmother or daughter, but hey, it is so liberating for us prostituted women to tell you you are not repulsive fuckers. (You are disgusting, I hope you all die and soon because you are taking up valuable space, but I won’t say that directly because at the moment you are bribing me with money to cover the fucking rent you arsehole.)

It is laughable until you realise that men can murder you with impunity.

It is laughable until you realise that a man who has raped you is not charged with rape but with “theft of service.”

So kudos to the men who do more than pay lip-service to abstention from buying and trading in us as sexual commodities.

I imagine I’d probably have a more sisterly conversation with the women in the sex-trade who insist they enjoy it, and the women who have no experience of it but claim it is all about a ‘woman’s right to choose’ than I would with these men who actively oppose the sex-trade because men do so often expect me to mollify their feelings of shame at being male as a class and I am not particularly inclined to mollify them.

But these men can take my word for it, yes I need you to stop buying us for sex and yes I insist you speak out against the sex-trade every single day to other men.

Thanks for that and keep it going.

As you can see, the pimp propaganda using self-proclaimed “sex workers” is effective. While women argue amongst ourselves and prostitution survivors like myself are leap-frogged in discussion, I DO expect nothing less of you than to keep going in the fight to end male entitlement and also for first-class exit strategies for women in prostitution. I insist on this even for the noxious, entitled types featured in this smarmy piece of shit propaganda above.

I really haven’t found anything to like about men as a class even though I like some as individuals. I will continue to dissuade men who are relieved that I don’t cut their balls off when I meet them that it is because somehow I think they have been hoodwinked or are innocent in all this. But my manners are generally okay and I’m frankly not a misanthropic kind of ‘girl’.

Big deal. You know what to do. End demand.

These socially unconscious and self-centred “sex workers”and me can handle our in-fight while you get on with the work of letting every man and boy, ( disabled, poor, rich or otherwise ), know that sex is not a human right and that money does not equal consent but circumvents it entirely, no matter how many pimp-funded leaflets, promos, banners, paid “sex worker” activists and documentaries tell you otherwise.

Thank you. I really mean it. But as you can see I’ve still spent a lot of time having a go at other women about this so count yourself fucking lucky if you are a man.

I’ll keep fighting but only men can stop the sex-trade.

First published on Simone’s blog here

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75 Comments

75 Comments

  1. Editor

    April 3, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    This article is now closed for comment …

  2. abs

    April 3, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    #73

    it is certainly not difficult to find comment sections on TT where males have used the word ‘fuck’ and Robin has failed to comment on their use of the word ‘fuck’.

    just sayin..

  3. Invicta

    April 3, 2017 at 4:19 am

    #70 What, exactly, is respectful about referring to women as ‘girl’ and ‘babe’?

    Why does MY use of the word ‘fuck’ render my remarks irrational and disrespectful?

    I’ll guarantee you wouldn’t find a bit of colourful language offensive in another man. Nor would you lose all respect for their opinions if they chose to express them in the common Australian vernacular.

    Does the concept of a double standard have any meaning for you? Are you aware your comments epitomise its application to women – as in, you expect polite language and a demure demeanour from women, but have no such expectations of your fellow men.

    In fact, if you asked some intelligent, forthright bloke to moderate his language in your presence, you’d risk a fairly uncomplimentary response – probably one casting aspersions on your manhood.

    Maybe you should read the article mentioned in post #72. And while you’re learning about the high rates of complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in prostitutes and victims of domestic violence, remind yourselves that MEN are the overwhelming majority of users of prostitutes, and the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of domestic violence.

    It makes use of the occasional f-word from women railing against this ongoing abuse look pretty tame.

    [But seriously, you fellas are way beyond redemption. You’re the most intractable of women-haters – those who have no insight whatsoever into their misogyny, in my opinion.]

  4. Second Opinion

    March 31, 2017 at 3:13 pm

  5. Second Opinion

    March 31, 2017 at 12:54 pm

    There is an article online, at The Conversation.
    I could not provide a link.
    It is titled:
    A soldier and a sex worker walk into a therapist’s office. Who’s more likely to have PTSD?

  6. Robin Charles Halton

    March 28, 2017 at 11:26 pm

    #69 Invicta, it is becoming more difficult to engage in a rational conversation with you as you aggressively approach us with your f… word that seems to demonstrate your continued need to stir anger!

    Dosn’t work my girl, imagine having this conversation with school students and young peoples groups (prostitution and violence against women) in this tone!

    I dont care how many uni degrees that you have, unless there is opportunity for respectful conservation you are going no where in your quest to defend womens rights!

  7. Invicta

    March 28, 2017 at 5:28 pm

    Okay, Stephan, how’s this for ‘meaningless drivel’ –

    Studies of rates of sexual assault in Australia, and worldwide, have shown that Australia has one of the highest rates of such assaults, surpassed only by certain African nations. Whilst the high ranking can arguably be attributed in some part to the more likely reporting of sexual assault to police (although only an estimated one in six sexual assaults in Australia are reported), the fact remains that sexual assault is a less then attractive aspect of our culture.

    The majority of victims of sexual assault are female, with Rape Crisis Centre data indicating at least one in five women over the age of 15 has been, or will be, a victim of sexual assault.

    The Australian Bureau of Statistics reports the overwhelming majority – 93 per cent – of sexual assault perpetrators are male.

    For women in prostitution – the subject of Simone’s article – the figures are even more disturbing. The Australian Institute of Family Studies references studies around Australia indicating the rates of sexual assault of women in prostitution range from around 29 per cent overall to up to 75 per cent for street prostitutes. Assaults are committed by both clients and other men – women in prostitution are seen as easy targets by non-client abusers.

    Further, according to the ABS Personal Safety Survey, between 80 and 100 Australian women die at the hands of their male partners every year.

    For women in prostitution, worldwide the rate of death in any one year is up to 200 times higher than that of the general population, the primary causes of death being assault by a client or other male, drug overdose, alcohol related accidents or sexually transmitted diseases such as AIDS.

    As a supposedly ‘decent’ man you (and your mates, William, Robin and Steve) should be appalled by these statistics and what they say about male culture in Australia. You should be standing up, denouncing violence against women, and working to educate younger men about its insidious grip on our way of life.

    Instead, you’re bleating pathetically about the women who ‘done you wrong’ – took your hard-earned cash, or tried to, and didn’t turn out to be your idea of grovelling subservience.

    You say – ‘Our response boils down to the biological fact that we “thrust” and you (as a female) are impaled as is the biological norm and that we, as individuals, either do not partake or try to make it pleasurable’.

    What the fuck, Stephan? You ‘thrust’ and us women are ‘impaled’? Can you not see how inherently offensive that language is to women – as though it is our unalterable biological condition to accept penetration by the male? And, please, if you think there are no gradients of sexual activity for men between abstinence and giving pleasure to the ‘impaled’ female, take another look at the sexual assault figures above. That might be true for you (or at least you think it is) but it certainly doesn’t hold for men in general.

    Steve, the statistics clearly indicate one sex – the male sex – is primarily the perpetrator of violence, sometimes resulting in death, against women. It’s not a particularly difficult position to defend, as you suggest, despite your admiration for Mr Halton’s ‘excellent argument’ for the villainous manipulations of conniving women .

    … (edited)

  8. Steve

    March 27, 2017 at 11:34 pm

    Hmm, this thread has moved on since I last passed this way!
    Without buying into the argument, might I say Invicta that you are simply using abuse to avoid rational discussion. Robin Halton has put forth, with considerable detail, an excellent argument showing a situation where women are looking to exploit men by manoeuvring them into a marriage situation to support their families.
    I know you’ll contend that it’s the demon sex again but it’s not really. If the men targeted were fanatical chess players, the women would be learning their en passants. Sex is just easier!
    My feeling is that your position suffers a basic flaw as it appears to be founded on a proposition that one gender is at fault. I would contend that there are good people, stupid people, smart people, evil people, sometimes in the same body; but to argue that the vices and virtues are determined by gender, seems a difficult proposition to defend.
    I’m now off to un-check the follow up comments box! Perhaps I’ll look in again in another week or so!

  9. Stephan

    March 27, 2017 at 8:50 pm

    Post #66

    You STILL can not address an argument Invicta.

    You attack, and attack and attack. There is no thought, there is vitriol and there is bombast. The compiled discussion boils down to;

    :Boo Hoo, you have penises and use them with violence aforethought.”

    Our response boils down to the biological fact that we “thrust” and you (as a female) are impaled as is the biological norm and that we , as individuals, either do not partake or try to make it pleasurable.

    Your response?

    Meaningless drivel amounting to the same thing over and over and over.

    … Still it helps me realise I’m not as much of a loser as I thought I was.

    Bye B

  10. Invicta

    March 27, 2017 at 3:05 pm

    So, it seems you three chaps are so fully immersed in the patriarchy that you see only gross insult, and dangerous misunderstanding of your motives and actions, in any comment on the behavior of men. Not to mention an errant personality disorder, possibly bordering on psychosis, in the woman daring to document the various failing of the human male.

    Somehow – and I can’t begin to understand the mental gymnastics that allow you to arrive at such a conclusion – you see yourselves as innocent victims of unscrupulous female manipulations.

    What are you? Spineless mice? Or just whining, disappointed old dicks who didn’t get exactly what they wanted from relationships with women – like servile acquiescence to your every need and constant availability for sex? But wait, I recall that Robin has achieved that Nirvana – after a few close calls with ladies of Asian ethnicity. Maybe Stephan and William should seek him out for some advice.

    That is, of course, if you can all get your heads out of your arses long enough to conduct a genuine conversation. If you lean over, grasp your ears firmly and pull downwards, you should be able to extract them.

    As a bonus, I may be able to get a handle on the points you’re trying to make – I’d really like to see things from your point of view, but at the moment I can’t get my head far enough up your back passages. With YOUR heads gone, I might stand a chance of observing the ideas firmly wedged in that dark, uncompromising place.

    On a side note, how entertaining is it that a former Tasmanian logging contractor retires and opens a ‘girlie bar’ in the Philippines? Goes from pimping out the forests for profit to pimping out underage girls – what a wonderful, but unsurprising, career progression.

  11. Robin Charles Halton

    March 26, 2017 at 1:19 am

    #58 Invicta, you might be surprised to know I have never solicited for the services of a prostitute, never!
    I engaged in pursuit of a casual affair with a willing Filipina lady who was probably trying to please me to obtain the life time privilege of escaping poverty as a future wife I suspect!

    I will agree that the life of a pro in the Phillipines is a risky job for those bar girls whose families who depend on her earnings to try and stay above the poverty line.

    Out of curiousity, the first bar I walked into in Anglelos City I bumped into the owner, a Tasmanian who I knew, was a logging contractor who sold his business when he divorced his wife and invested in the girlie bar trade in the city known for its active US Airforce manpower trade.
    I had a few beers with this bloke and some of his visiting mates besooted by the girls on offer , but as it wasnt my scene when the opportunity presented itself I got out as fast as I could.

    I had no interest in visiting girlie bars.

    At the Kangaroo Club in Manila where I reluctantly stayed for a few days awaiting an airline departure to stay with a family in Cebu I witnessed the soliciting of girls by Aussies and Yanks who frequented this scum hole!

    Once I got to Cebu people were generally kind to me but a part of my journey was a set up as most Aussie men who visit for the first time need to be aware of the fine line that exists between catching a girl for a wife and paying for it for the rest of your life through involving overseas extended family.

    Invicta, you have to understand that I was the potential victim as I was being solicited for all sorts of favors by members of extended family which no doubt would have led to parting with my reputation as a responsible traveller.

    All I can say is I was very grateful to two young women aged 17yrs and 24yrs with an education who spoke perfect English, appeared trustworthy whom I accepted for casual cultural tours for the purpose of sight seeing, discos, attending Mass and felt safe to be in their company in surroundings and circumstances that I was not familiar with at the time.

    I am “not guilty” of any of the accusations that you mention but just a potential innocent victim of the social circumstances that existed at the time while visiting a third world country.

  12. Stephan

    March 25, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    Post #62

    Invicta

    Ahh, the fishing is good for you isn’t it? As for your undoubted “intelligence” I have no doubt of it. Your bombastic and personalised diatribes against gender and its specificity say volumes about you and what you represent, (in my view)

    Maybe you were born at the wrong time much like me. …

    Me? I’m a child of the 60’s so I have a different perspective on the differences that gender provides. …

    Bye babe.

    (edited)

  13. William Boeder

    March 25, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    Invicta, the most difficult task on this planet is to attempt to explain anything of solid and logical substance and or of life’s consequence to the brain a …. deprecating and disparaging “all men are potentially rapists and domestic violence offenders” … female Tomas de Torquemada.
    Go ye forth to pursue your endless vilifications … upon all men upon this Earth’s surface, but that you not seek to reproduce any of your own likeminded … vexing temperament that hope to gain their daily bread through the … crucifying each of the human form of the male species.
    Any further comments to this subject will be a negligent waste of time and electronic recorded sequence of kilobytes.
    (edited)

  14. Invicta

    March 25, 2017 at 1:11 pm

    For fuck’s sake, William, all that shit about male ‘urges’ with no ‘switch-off mechanism’ is cold comfort, I’m sure, for the countless women raped and sexually abused on a daily basis, both within and outside of the sex trade. ‘I couldn’t help it – it’s my genetic programming’ is a child’s excuse, and does you no favours. Neither does it enhance the ‘dignity’ of the male of the human species – who you apparently concede are a lustful bunch, barely holding their carnal desires in check.

    And women should be thankful for that?

    Whilst your responses are becoming tediously predictable, I am, however, quite interested in the following –

    ‘I may even explain to you the best combatant means of how women themselves can escape from the horrors of domestic violence’.

    I have spent many years assisting and advocating for women living with domestic violence – broken, oppressed women, with no support and no resources. They, and their children, are traumatised – subjected to physical, emotional and financial abuse by self-obsessed men intent on exercising their rights over what they consider to be their property.

    But, it doesn’t need to be this way – William Boeder has the answer to all their problems. The only question to be asked is – ‘What the fuck is it, William, and why have you kept it to yourself?’. Because, mate, there’s thousands of us out here in the big, wide, ugly world who would really like to hear about it.

    Is it on your YouTube channel? Does it involve indulging the male urge and engaging in a fix-all ‘romp in the bedroom’? What exactly do you mean by ‘combatant,’ because we all know the average woman is no physical match for the average man – do we all need to learn martial arts, and hope every abusive man is a way below par physical specimen, or an aged, doddering old fuck we can easily take down.

    Stephan, what is it with the persistent assumption that I’m some sort of intellectually sub-standard ‘bimbo’? Is it just because I’m female, therefore I MUST NOT be as sharp as a bloke? You know, don’t you, that science has comprehensively debunked theories of inherent difference in male and female brains. I can refer you to some excellent peer reviewed studies if you’re interested in learning more.

    And, please don’t call me ‘babe’. If you’re still addressing adult women that way, it’s no surprise you aren’t getting any.

    Also, I’m still happy to discuss ALL these issues in person, and I probably need to – because your written responses are becoming progressively more unintelligible. I need a few visual cues and an opportunity to ask some directed questions.

    But William can’t, or won’t travel, Stephan is non-committal and Robin has gone totally silent.

    What are we to do?

  15. Robin Charles Halton

    March 25, 2017 at 8:59 am

    #59, William take care my son, offering a man hater into Rosebery’s strictly Wild West social circle could be interesting!

    Plenty of gun slinging practice as I would imagine guns will be blazing when the unwanted newcomer arrives to challenge the local male authority.

  16. Stephan

    March 24, 2017 at 11:46 pm

    Post #58

    Invicta

    Hmmm. You don’t address the argument and attack the proponent. It’s a sad state of affairs when a good debate is corrupted by a poor intellect.

    Patronising and condescending? Both terms assume/impute a position of superiority in the one being addressed. Sorry kiddo – I am not superior and in no way do I patronise society’s organs. I am a loner, a hermit. The one before. The future lies closed to my kind.

    Try another term babe. Passive aggressive.

    Geek. Nerd. V

    Byeee

  17. William Boeder

    March 24, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    Invicta, I do not fear a confrontation with yourself as it is indeed yourself that cultivates your thoughts that the majority of males are the primary cause of prostitution and all of its catered to whims.
    I have previously stated that I do not look down on this industry’s participants, yet this you describe as some form of failure or weakness that I am possessed of.
    My first comment in and among the many this subject matter has generated, was the ambivalence I have to whatever their source of income chooses to be.
    Unknown to you is the tremendous respect contained in my comments on You Tube to the deeds, skills, endeavours and satisfaction to see how the female specie has met the challenge of female members of society that at times excel that of males.
    So that torpedoes your analysis that I am a misogynist, however there are women who delight in their malicious hateful desire to desecrate males that are not part of the regular customer base of the sex trade despite their being genetically programmed to exercise the role of ensuring the procreation of the human species.

    By the way that programming effect does not have any switch-off mechanism attached to halt the forceful urge, other than self enforced forced abstinence.
    I cannot tolerate females that desire to blast males with their callous abusive indifference and will utilize every possible means to cast males as though they are one of life’s most horrible monsters.
    (Not far removed from your attitude to myself.)

    Let you not deny that the female species have their own inbuilt destiny and mechanisms to embark upon the same journey as males in seeking their own individual pursuit of intimate congress with their chosen male persons.
    Outside of the want to create their desired number of children.
    Example: one night stands where they expect nay even demand to engage in a bit of a romp in the bedroom.
    Please be aware that I may know a little more about this subject matter than yourself.
    Also that I do not tear about like a raging overwhelming Elephant in a frenzy of musth.
    Do please think carefully your wish to challenge my liberal attitude on this subject matter just so that you can continue to justify your (to me) self satisfying bizarre desire to destroy the dignity of the male species.
    I may even explain to you the best combatant means of how women themselves can escape from the horrors of domestic violence.
    Living so far from the 2 major cities of Launceston and Hobart as I do, so should you choose to further discuss this subject matter in person I will afford you an overnight stay without any want of recompense by me in any whatever form, other than to assure you that you will receive a safe and secure uninterrupted night of recuperative sleep in the security of a local “commercial accommodation establishment”

  18. Invicta

    March 24, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    Gentlemen – and I use the term in its most general sense, and in your case, even, ironically – I am more than ever convinced we should meet in person.

    William, you could continue with your … invective, spewing forth like some perverse Middle English verbal sewer, while I stand before you.

    Stephan, you would have an opportunity to test your patronising condescensions and supercilious intellectual slights up close and personal.

    And Robin, you could regale us with tales of your sexual exploits at home and overseas, and gloat smugly about the at-home ‘pampering’ that’s keeping you away from casual sexual encounters – for now, at least.

    Perhaps the esteemed editor of Tasmanian Times could act as host and moderator?

    I doubt, however, that any of you have the testicular fortitude to face me, and speak as you do so easily from the safety of your remote keyboards.

    I have no such qualms, so if you ARE interested in the realities of prostitution and the broader issue of violence against women, please let me know. I’m happy to advise you, but make no promises about sanitising the language, because sometimes, you know, things need to get real.

    Ed: The Code: http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php/pages/legalbits

  19. Robin Charles Halton

    March 22, 2017 at 12:43 am

    #56 Invicta … spitting your venom at William and Stephen ,,,

    And your language and suggestions, shocking and disgusting!

    A bit of casual sex has always been a part of my life but not in my current relationship where I am eternally pampered lovingly!

    Ed: http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php/pages/legalbits

  20. William Boeder

    March 21, 2017 at 11:10 pm

    Well well Invicta, you are not in any way associated by the insufferable scoundrel I have referred to, so there is some salvation available to you for your being possessed of your (what I see as) inherent hatreds.
    Though you are suffering from a blindingly biased and selective reading malaise, (I believe) it is yourself that has created your depiction of the monstrous William Boeder, this indicates your desire to inflict the power of your malicious crucifying intent that this has become the hateful revengeful ideation of yours. Abhorrent malicious squallings are by their very nature, are ever the province of the failed gold-digger females one encounters from time to time. As for my being a misogynist, that is wholly incorrect, though I don’t have much time for the cat-clawed vitriolic-abuse-hurling-judgemental type slatterns that do unfortunately infest today’s society. These sweet little darlings are usually those that have failed to ensnare a generous caring wealthy male partner that have no fond feelings toward money fixated little darlings. Soon thereafter these little sweethearts get themselves all fired up to blast their explosive tempers out and upon all new males that happen to cross their path, even by way of a simple forum discussion. Another error is your casting me as a misogynist when the fact is that I am very defensive and protective of females that get caught get up in the horrors of domestic violence that sadly persist in many of today’s households or between couples in relationships. In times past I have had to intervene and halt these fearful vicious assaults. If you are interested I have an effective remedy to halt the male abuser from ever again striking a fist upon their female domestic partner, though it requires a strong-willed woman to effect this remedy. Another confusing practice of yourself by the way you constantly reference to the 1st hole from the back of the neck is something I have never encountered elsewhere (other than the request from a female person to enter this unorthodox portal portion of herself for her own gratification) why or what for is this fixation you have for this type of referencing? Another of your errors that you pursue is that I am a wimpish scared of confrontation type of individual, that itself is a major flaw among your many false presumptions. There are not too many male persons that would be brave enough to continue this discourse with yourself, my doing so is that I want to express my opinion that not all males will tolerate your scalding hot abuses, no matter they have no reason to tolerate you with your crude and deplorable opinionating. I suggest you whack these comments of mine in and among your hard-won tertiary qualifications that seem to have failed in providing you with any realizable benefit. One unarguable phenomenon that cannot be dispelled no matter how you try to dispute this fact or phenomenon, “that the most powerful aphrodisiac that will ever enhance the comeliness of the majority of women” is the ever-ready access to lots of someone else’s money. Never mind their own pleasure seekings. So Invicta do please try and repair your mind of its cringing fanciful ideations.

    Ed: http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php/pages/legalbits

  21. Stephan

    March 20, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    Post #54

    Ahhh Vicie, Vicie, Vicie 🙂

    I DID NOT say that JUST prostitution was inevitable you monomaniac bimbo.

    So let’s be clear here. You do not have the LEAST chance of success in solving ANY problem unless you address the ROOT CAUSE. Just as some other highly opinionated person said in a previous thread here years ago about how she was glad that slavery had been abolished your fight will only ever succeed in a very limited (time and place) fashion. Your position is just but your fight is doomed. Unless you successfully address a problem more than 5 thousand years old. Good luck with that.

    Go hard or go home (what a silly turn of phrase that is)

    Byee

  22. Invicta

    March 20, 2017 at 6:06 pm

    #53 Good heavens, William, how easily you are roused to an unseemly apoplectic state. And how revelatory are the language and sentiments that ensue.

    For your information, I wouldn’t touch Eric Abetz with yours, let alone take up employment in his service. I take no part in alcohol whatsoever, and have several hard-earned tertiary level qualifications. I confess to picking up some bad language in childhood from my highly intelligent lawyering relatives, but, what the fuck, they came from migrant coal-mining stock and weren’t partial to false pretentiousness – unlike your good self.

    And as for the ‘ducking chair’ suggestion – thank you for revealing your true attitudes towards women. They are indeed the hate-filled judgments I suspected, not the cordial attentions of which you boast.

    You, sir, and your ilk, are the reason women remain the second class citizens in human society – expected to be compliant, and accused of all manner of evil intent if they dare to speak their mind.

    I take it you’re not receptive to the notion of a personal meeting. Which is a shame, since it would give me an opportunity to tear you a new one, and forcibly insert your latest load of vitriol. Because a dark, smelly place is exactly where it belongs.

    #52 Stephan, I suspect you misunderstand my position. Prostitution is NOT inevitable if men can be persuaded that women are not property. It’s a big ask, I know, given men’s preoccupation with their dicks and the pursuit of their fair share of sexual gratification.

    (But what’s wrong with Mrs Palm and her five lovely daughters? Or a blow up doll – they’re very realistic these days, and you can buy them online. I think they even moan and tell you how big you are, and you can choose your ethnic preference.)

    And, maybe, instead of wandering the plains of La Mancha, tilting at the windmill that is men’s universal respect for women, I should accept that my expectations of men are way beyond their capabilities. That they are, indeed, base individuals, and will never change.

    How fucking depressing is that!

    By the way, if you’re still interested in a get together, William is out, I suspect, so be a love and sort something with Mr Halton.

  23. William Boeder

    March 20, 2017 at 2:00 am

    Invicta are you a person that is employed in the office of Senator Eric Abetz by any chance?
    Anyway I invite you to research into the times past (if you are sufficiently computer literate) when alcohol swilling women ran loose with their crude malicious tongues until there was a cleverly invented device given the name of “the ducking chair” this was deemed vital to ease the suffering of whoever was connected to the scatter-brained trash-talking gutter-dwelling hags that attacked other persons for no good reason.
    I see no objection why this device cannot be reintroduced to attend to the new wave of ever-whinging, hate-minded squawk-hags that fail to contribute anything to this world other than their pitiful childhood learnt gutter gibberish.
    Tis a pity this marvellous contrivance was so successful to the point that the frequency of those who became the dunking chair’s regular clientele were soon completely chastened from inflicting their intolerable whining trash talk, this allowed the society of man to retire this earlier necessary device (finally it being no onger required to quell the highly offensive recalcitrant trollops and like-minded ignorant offensive female gutter-dwelling frill-necked females.)
    So Invicta, I recommend to that you read into its rather effective disciplining powers should you be able to do so, you may then better understand how persons address other persons above the dysfunctional station that this type of individual grovelled in, until you are comfortably familiar with that dark period of England’s history.
    I no longer have any interest in further discussion with persons that exhibit the trait of someone employed by the above referred to media-addicted false-spieling State Senator.

  24. Stephan

    March 19, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    Invicta

    I see you agree with my (however naive) argument regards people as property and the inevitability of the resultant potential for crime being committed by people, business and Government. Prostitution being just one facet of said crime. Good luck Dame Qixote.

    If you have the place and time be a sport and extemporise our get together huh?

    Byee

  25. Invicta

    March 19, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    So, Mr Halton, you have paid for sex or, as you so politely describe it, ‘human body services’, and you’re man enough to say so publicly. Do you expect congratulations? Do you expect others will follow your lead, and turn this thread into an anthology of awkward, but honest reminiscences about men’s age-old entitlement to buy the use of women’s bodies to satisfy their carnal desires?

    How much detail do you want – price paid, ‘services’ rendered, age and attractiveness of the prostitute, et cetera? In fact, why not make it a genuine punters’ guide, along the same lines as those already available online, like Punter Planet and Hooker Looker, to name a couple. Perhaps Mr Boeder and Stephan would like to oblige and start the ball rolling with a more explicit recount of their experiences.

    Mr Boeder, surely you can do better than the tired old ‘cat with unsheathed claws’ analogy. And anyway, it seems you’re being a bit of a ‘girl’ about this exchange – getting your panties in a bunch over the mention of anal sex, and arses, and shoving things up them. Does your tampon need changing?

    As we speak, I’m busy moulding a middle finger salute out of plasticine. Once it’s done, I’ll paint it – with my fingers – and post an image on this thread. It will serve nicely as a riposte to your assumptions about my intelligence, or lack thereof, whilst at the same time demonstrating my facility with those activities to which you believe I am best suited.

    And, by the way, Mr Boeder, using quaint language and big words doesn’t make you a person with ‘superior mental faculty’ – it just means most readers can’t work out what the fuck you’re talking about.

    Stephan, you had an experience with a prostitute sometime in the past. You say it was ‘(c)old, loveless, lacking in intimacy and not what I thought it’d be’.

    Seriously, Stephan, did you really expect a warm, loving encounter? Did you expect a woman who had probably already ‘serviced’ several other anonymous men that same day, to treat you as someone special?

    Imagine, if you can, selling your own body for the sexual gratification of others. Imagine one man after another penetrating your body orifices exclusively for their own pleasure – men you neither know, or care for, one after the other. Would YOU be warm and responsive with each one? Would you even try to be?

    Just in case it isn’t already plain to you from Simone’s article, fellas, the bottom line is this – your money will buy you sex from a prostitute – as in ‘put penis in hole, move it around and ejaculate’. It will NOT buy you love, intimacy, or respect.

    Despite the bullshit peddled by the sex trade lobby about the agency and empowerment of ‘sex work’, the overwhelming majority of women in prostitution are there because they have no other option. If they had other options they wouldn’t give you the time of day. After all, does ANYONE have time for a self-entitled wanker who thinks their money gives them the right to do whatever they want?

    Finally, I’m more than happy to come out from behind the keyboard and meet you gentlemen in person. I can provide reams of literature and oodles of data supporting the position against prostitution – not a moral position, but one based on the well-documented harms to women in the sex trade. I can show you that the ongoing damage to women is fuelled almost exclusively by male demand. I can persuade you that prostitution is not inevitable if one is prepared to confront the notion that men MUST have sex, and comprehensively reject it.

    I’m sure we can agree on a suitable time and place, if you’re interested.  

  26. William Boeder

    March 18, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    Yes Robin, however what I have had to say on this article matter has done me no favour.
    So I read the article by Simone for the second time, some parts are unsavoury but life is what it is.
    One question that perplexes me is how some young women choose to engage in the sex industry while others choose not.
    Therefore who am I to make a judgement or issue a decision made by these persons.
    Hence my earlier comment about my not denigrating women who have agreed to their line of work.
    The World is what it is, not many of us are equipped to alter the direction of where this World is headed or what is intended for we who are mere individuals in what we must achieve, essentially we are only able to adapt ourselves to fit into whatever niche is available for us as individuals to achieve.
    Then that I have suddenly come under the scope of persons with the mindset of Invicta, she with her deep innermost beliefs as to the manner in how I am positioned and then commenting about some obscure anal perspective in the same sentence, then how deficient I must be as a member of the male species.
    No person has the right to cast judgement upon others, especially when the judging person has not shown that they are possessed with any special superior mental faculty or even the gifted acuity to diagnose when I think the reverse is the most likely attribute on offer from Invicta.
    Perhaps finger painting or even plasticine moulding is more the proficiency or specialist field of Invicta rather than her capacity to diagnose the life and times of anonymous others.

  27. Robin Charles Halton

    March 18, 2017 at 11:18 am

    Now come on fellows, out from hiding under your wives skirts twiddling your thumbs, who has tried a pro!

    Simone was brave enough to raise the subject with her article!
    William had his awkward moments but was prepared to expose it, good on you William!

    I have provided a lead with some of my experiences, what about the rest of you readers have a go to!

    Would you like to hear about what went on at the Kangaroo Club, United Nations Avenue, Ermita in Manilla, personal observations near the US Airforce base at the girlie bars around Angeles City.

  28. Stephan

    March 17, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    Whilst our language, institutions, businesses, communities and even our loved ones continue to think of/treat “us” as property or a commodity then it is my opinion that prostitution, as well as a lot of other moral and ethical crime, is an inevitable outcome of the mindset. But, go on, make your stand and state your case. We all have an opinion.

    Yep, – loooonnnggg ago. Cold, loveless, lacking in intimacy and not what I thought it’d be.

    Bye for now.

  29. William Boeder

    March 17, 2017 at 2:34 pm

    Dear me Invictus you do have your claws unsheathed.
    Unknown to yourself is the high respect I have for the intelligent forthright style of woman, the more direct all the better.
    One of my delights is accompanying a lady to an evening dinner, this same does not occur on a give a little and take a little basis, I truly enjoy the women’s views and opinions, but no invitation is ever extended to the radical wild-eyed type of hellion for life is too short to accommodate these camouflaged men haters.
    Yes I keep the unknown females or suspicious intent women at a distance, but the misogyny factor, no, I have wonderful memories of 2 marvellous and very capable women who were my senior, 2 women I will never forget for they were each given my respect for their competency their kind manner and that naturally I respected their elevated status for each were so worthy of their occupational seniority.

    Methinks you are far to eager to hurl your poisonous darts, any wonder I am wary of the mysterious ways of some of the disguised radical and wild-minded urgent introduction seeking women.

    Locally I am known for my kind open and honest attitudes displayed to the female persons both young and older, never possessing any propositioning purpose in my mind, often I am pleased with meeting the more open honest style of women be they married to others or not, for they are indeed wonderful women.
    A lot of husbands seem to believe that their wives are safe in my company for I treat both husband and wife with my cordial respect.

    For your edification my age of 68 years and 3 former lengthy relationships, 3 children forthcoming from my first 19 years of marriage (edited)

    Naturally there are many good women about, however most are already involved in a relationship, often I am envious of these men.

    (edited)

    Do have a nice day Invictus.

  30. Robin Charles Halton

    March 17, 2017 at 9:34 am

    After a marriage breakdown in 1984 and a number of unsuccessful flings at home a friend persuaded me to head the Phillipines as the land of promise!

    His extended family members in Cebu kindly provided for my tour guidance as it was partly a set up it failed to deliver the goods for them, to marry one of their siblings!

    While I thanked them for their efforts I made sure I had a good time without going overboard in their eyes but the temptation for sex was fulfilled by a friend of a friend who entertained me during my visit, some pesos changed hands for services after a couple of weeks when I needed to scale down this fast tracking experience, both of us knowing that a long term relationship was not possible!

    While all this was happening later in my stay and by the grace of god, four likely young female contenders 17-24 yrs arrived on the scene, at the time I was almost of senior sugar daddy status at 39 yrs of age.

    I with great respect and care briefly dated two of the young ladies who were both a joy to be with, educated, conservative, intelligent conversation, religious and obviously did well almost everything to please me as tour guides, visiting respectable places for entertainment during my stay.

    I did not test for their virginity credentials as I suspected their moral values were true to form, they were seeking a relationship with a foreigner to lift them out of a life of hardship and poverty, cant blame them for that!

    It got to the point that I was not that keen to be attached to Filipino families trap, so by now my time was up!

    Continued as a backpacker onto Western Europe where there were plenty of opportunities meeting unattached independent ladies!

    As it happened on route I connected with a well educated sharp thinking non English speaking young lady who had recently escaped into West Germany as an asylum seeker from the East Bloc.
    As we were prepared to accommodate for each others desires we eloped almost immediately and eventually married and remain committed to each other today.

    Prostitution is a world wide everyday event, the demand for human body services will always be there for those who fail to meet with the standards of seeking permanent relationships, thats life!

  31. Second Opinion

    March 16, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    I do not defend prostitution; neither do I condemn it. In our society, informed as it is by porn on the cob, it takes and shares the McDonalds approach. Or is it the other way around?

    Go into any McDonalds and you are invited to Create your own. I am told it is a burger created for you, by you: a true burger experience that only you possess. Prostitution fills that same need for a quick niche.

    I am painfully aware that there is a third world aspect to this, where westerners are revelling in the provision of sexual services, at the real cost of disease and social dissolution.
    Procurement and exploitation of girls and boys, to satisfy such a demand as that, goes way beyond the ambit of this discussion.

  32. Robin Charles Halton

    March 16, 2017 at 2:35 am

    While on a Technical training posting with the PMG at Geeveston in 1964 I recall while on the hunt for local female company, picking up a girl one evening who was keen for a lift to Port Huon.

    I thought this was pretty good opportunity so I dropped in the Kermandie for a couple of bottles of beer as a primer, so we parked chatted and enjoyed a drink or two for a while, as I closed for a cuddle she opened the car door and said she wanted to pee first.

    Well I waited and waited and looked over towards the well lit up Port Huon wharf only to see her climbing up the side steps onto a British ship in Port loading apples.

    Next morning I on my way to a line fault reported at the Franklin Exchange with a couple of linesmen in the 30cwt Bedford truck we passed my same lady I was with from last night hitching a ride back towards Geeveston!

    I just happened to say ” I wonder where the hell she been” There was a laugh of applause as the girl was one of the regulars for working the apple boats when they came into Port Huon.

    From subsequent observations even from later years when I was working for FC at Geeveston there were faces that I could easily recognise again as girls even older women working the boats during the apple season.

    As regular drinkers at the Kermandie at kick out time we were often invited to continue on the boats and one would often run into recognisible local women between the ships cabins passageways and the crews toilets.

    I remember one lady from Cygnet who I met in my PMG days (1964) at the bar of the Cygnet Middle Pub one wild evening, a reasonable looking shortish swarthy looking piece, 30ish who said she was related to the Cygnet Halton’s was seen again by me years later regularly working the apple boats at Port Huon in 1973/74 while I with forestry.

    I am sure some of the available women were actually shift workers in their seasonal profession as may not have ever experienced stable relationships and reliable sources on income.
    Presumably their circumstance drove them to sell their bodies to strange men willing to pay for their services.

    Prostitution is a fact of life for some women!

  33. Invicta

    March 16, 2017 at 1:46 am

    #39 I wonder, William – from whence did this vile misogyny you express arise?

    Were your desires thwarted? Your ‘needs’ unmet?

    Do you not understand that women have, since the dawn of time, borne countless burdens and oppressions simply because they are female – with vaginas and uteruses and breasts that have ensured both the procreation of the human species, and the subjugation of those who give humanity this most valuable of gifts?

    Is it any wonder they’re pissed right off – that they suffer the occasional ‘crude distemper’. In fact, I can feel a determined ‘go fuck yourself’ (not necessarily directed at you, and not advice re: satisfying the male desire thing, unless you can manage it) bubbling restlessly to the forefront of my consciousness – oops, too late, it’s already escaped my keyboard.

  34. Robin Charles Halton

    March 16, 2017 at 12:54 am

    Prostitution is a part of everyday life and there was and never will be any stopping of procurement of women for male relief.

    I still remember as a 10yr old seeing a man up a woman in the laneway up beside Ma Dwyers Blue House on Salamanca Place.
    Dad and Uncle Loyal would occasionally go to town to visit their old haunts as I was left to find my own amusement around the Wharf areas where there was plenty of thing to do as a youngster.

    Does anyone remember Marine Junk under street level about halfway along Salamanca Place.

    I think that I may have wandered into the pub by the side entrance at the time hoping for a shandy.
    It bought some realism to the Play Boy magazines that were easily available at the time.
    It was all a part of growing up and it did not suddenly stop there either ha, ha!

  35. William Boeder

    March 15, 2017 at 11:09 pm

    #40. Second Opinion, pardon my error of your being a male person in my having incorporated you with sharing the views of this line of disenchanted people in our society.
    I too have shared splendid times in the company of intelligent members of the female sex, (as opposed to the members of the ire and ilk of Invictus Terribillus and her friend Simone.)
    I hope that you are never to be captured by the fancies of opportunistic existentialism as displayed by the 2 aforementioned and their casual delight in hurling untrue and offensive comments to persons not of their disorderly dilemma-induced persuasions.
    https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-road-not-taken/

  36. Second Opinion

    March 15, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    William, I happen to be male, and have not been unduly damaged by my involvement with the opposite sex, and that includes two abortions that presented as necessary at different times.
    I am not embittered, but enriched by my experiences.
    Women have a very different life experience, surrounded by , and providing support, which I do understand and welcome.
    I am out there, meeting it head on . No siege mentality for me.
    I wish you well.

  37. William Boeder

    March 15, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    38. I am pleased to inform you that I do not seek any of the false offerings that are available from the Invitca’s and now your own self “offerings” that appear to dominate the proceedings when your male-hating faction has its monthly knees up.
    There are a great many retirement age males that have zero interest in whatever the heck the people that share your doctrine desire to inflict on the World.
    Just so there is a clear understanding that I am not one of your typical female desecrating males, I have previously been filched of many of my accumulated possessions, also that I have been subjected to and made to suffer the many unbeknownst to me perversive behaviours, also that I have suffered the malicious character destroying gossips that seem to be a speciality pursuit of you and the self same seeking members of your doctrine that believe they should have some entitlement to engage as they do.

    For the record, members of the female species are actually banned from entering my property, I have already been life event conditioned to taking this extreme precaution to keep distant those persons that favour your attitude to damage or destroy the lives of most all male persons.
    I do not intend to alter my celibate lifestyle to encourage the flesh-selling behaviours of those of your disparaging predatory doctrine, also that this has become applicable to even the female real estate agents that seek to profit in their own way to portions of my current estate for their own diverse lifestyle denouement’s and or depravities.
    Lastly that it would be appreciated if I were never again referred to or even mentioned by you or any other of your wild-minded colleagues and or devotees, as there are more than enough crude fanaticisms that existentially plague the lives of the vast majority of well-intentioned males in this country.

  38. Second Opinion

    March 15, 2017 at 1:32 pm

    An addendum:
    Radio National has a Religion and Ethics Division, which provides weekly updates on all things existential.
    There are presently articles on intimacy and prostitution; which I recommend to you.
    That is: the articles, not the practice/se.

  39. Second Opinion

    March 15, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    It’s good to see this matter scrimmaging still on the Home page.
    Don’t hold back #36; we all do our best.
    Even I can recognise that sex is just the carrot:
    Your conjugal bliss has everything to do with sex, but conception is something else entirely.
    Has your partner never told you that you close your eyes at the evolutionary point of no return?
    It is just possible you are in a state of intense self-love at that point. You, and your partner, have been led down the Darwinian path, and you both are wilfully helpless to resist. This is the difference between Sex and Sodomy. Sex is a conceptual reality. Sodomy; whilst providing for the same psychosexual deliverance, but without any innate sense of helplessness , is a reciprocal act. Nothing more.
    I cannot speak for any woman, who might/might not, have the same insight.
    The Religion and Ethics department of Radio National has

  40. William Boeder

    March 15, 2017 at 3:35 am

    #34 #35. Thankful I am that I have no association with persons of your crude distempers and hateful mind-workings (to me).
    Your expressions are borne from within your own minds, do please let those crudities stay within your own minds as they are far removed from anything that I intended, also if you could please retain all your displeasures, dislikes and disdains and direct these same to those who share your confusing temperament.

    You are the persons that own your venom and absurd notions, how can you expect the society of today to conform to the mixed up wants and sought-after ideals that lays so bogged down in your addled minds?
    There are many reasons why men seek their escape from the fulsome arrogances you carelessly choose to direct toward others.
    Furthermore, hurling your unwarranted and crudely delivered words will not see you achieve anything above or beyond your plenteous naïveté.
    How you can hope to have any persons around you conform to whatever you may be seeking to achieve is something no one will ever know.
    Whatever your wants may be they will remain forever elusive to you while you scatter your distempers and crudely written hate statements toward those who dared to decipher whatever you were foolish enough to let slip from your keyboard.

  41. Second Opinion

    March 13, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    touché Invicta, you are being far too kind.

  42. Invicta

    March 13, 2017 at 1:31 am

    #33 How gracious of you, William, to ‘not look down upon’ prostituted women. No doubt they are universally grateful for your beneficence of spirit, and your avowed eschewal of moral judgment.

    However, dazzled as they may be by your open-minded equanimity, I’m sure they wouldn’t hesitate to join me in requesting you take those ‘powerful forces embedded in the mind of man to go forth and procreate’ you speak of, and shove them as far up your arse as is humanly possible. Only leaving room, perhaps, for the equally obnoxious ‘man’s natural instinct-ed desire’.

    If it’s painful, remind yourself that everyone loves anal these days – men, women and children, if the current, ubiquitous, porn offerings are to be believed – and you don’t want to be out of touch, or, god forbid, taking any sort of ‘moral’ position.

  43. William Boeder

    March 11, 2017 at 2:29 pm

    The powerful forces imbedded into the mind of man to go forth and procreate are not easily dismissed, nor are these very same forces held within the mind and bosom of woman easily dismissed.
    Seldom can one bridle the rampant forces of procreation.
    Look to the female spider as she devours her now “vital duty performed” mate.
    Look to the mountains climbed and the rivers crossed to impress a woman that she might be enticed into man’s natural instinct-ed desire.

    I personally do not look down upon women who are economically forced, or even that they have chosen prostitution to achieve their university education, sometimes even their children’s education. Let me say they are in their many.
    No singular person has the personal moral worth to create and cast forth their judgement upon another singular person, be they male or female.

  44. Kim Peart

    March 11, 2017 at 11:43 am

    In a documentary I once heard a woman say ~ “Men will always watch porn, and women will always make porn, and wonder why.”

    Can we grasp the primal drives out of Nature that has led, generation by generation, to who we are now?

    We carry as much darkness in our genes as Nature has wielded in the survival of the fittest, and this can be a pretty mean path to our birth.

    There are no morals for a predator that hunts to survive and feed the cubs.

    A young lion kills an older lion, or drives him away, takes over a pride and kills the cubs, to make way for his cubs.

    We have emerged from that kind of world, of death and sex.

    We can see more, as sex is also culture, leading to music, art, telling stories and making movies.

    We can redirect the raw energy of Nature from killing and sex, into awareness and care, and find choice.

    What works best for a healthy life is a very personal journey.

    I wonder if we are on the verge of stepping to a higher level of awareness.

    Will this awareness include an appreciation of the rawness of Nature, of killing and sex, of war and culture, of appreciating the difference between entertainment and art?

    When we can remember our journey through Nature and history, we may see how best to care, so that each citizen can choose a path that is good for them.

    It is the conduct of government that forces humiliation and punishment with unemployment and homelessness that slams children into poverty that is political porn.

    The administration of robodebt to take money from people in a mean way that is violent political porn.

    To get a healthy society of empowered individuals, we have to care about each citizen getting a Fair Go.

    When we allow any government to take our power away, we betray ourselves.

    When we claim our power, we fight with honour, and expect honour, for ourselves, and for others.

    When men and women walk with honour, like is good.

  45. Robin Charles Halton

    March 11, 2017 at 10:40 am

    Friends, ladies and feminists, what a way to end International Womens Day week on a positive high!

    Climaxing with the TV program “Marriage at First Sight”.
    Viewing over the next three nights on Channel 9, 7pm tonight, 7.30 pm Monday and 7.30pm Tuesday.

    In my opinion, an intriguing insight into human relationships using professional guidance for this social experiment which is becoming very close to raw realism of displaying partnerships between man and woman.

    Breaking down barriers, is Alene 31 a NSW nurse of Lebanese background breaking with racial tradition marries Simon 39 a QLD business owner. In my humble opinion they are the trendsetters for the show with their politeness and respect for each other and others the group as a whole.

    Not all relationships are travelling well, Cheryl 25 chatty, but stands her ground and Andrew 39 who has gone from bad to worse by bagging his partner.

    I think that these are the last three nights of this particular series, enjoy the show as there is always something to learn from partnerships!

  46. Frances

    March 10, 2017 at 11:31 am

    Thank you Simone for telling it like it is. What really angers me is the humiliating commodification of women by the advertisers of prostituted women. They are classified by features like race, age and body size and shape. So men are shown as having the right to pick and choose a body, just as that they might choose the beer they drink.
    Furthmore, this trade is run by men who are also the ones who collect the profits, but they organise women to defend it.

  47. Robin Charles Halton

    March 10, 2017 at 8:02 am

    The regular use of the f word borders on boganism and disrespect especially for the youngsters to pick it up at an early age and then use it in their everyday vocab.

    I note that Qld and Tas governments are intending to legislate against the display use of suggestive remarks targeting females on Wicked Campers.

    AFL has embraced womens football teams, about time for the recognition of women in society.

  48. Val Andrews

    March 9, 2017 at 11:05 am

    Stick to the point. The point is ” don’t generalise”.

  49. Robin Charles Halton

    March 7, 2017 at 11:12 pm

    #26 Val, The f word is for throwing abuse or anger and isnt that what we should be trying to stop.

    #25 Isla, thats odd for IWD, yesterday on the notice board outside Fullers I am quite sure it stated Martine Delaney was to be their guest speaker!

    As I recall Martin Delaney was a former student at St Virgils College.

    How whacky is that! (in my opinion).

  50. Val Andrews

    March 7, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    Robin, I’m the same generation as you mate. I’m a feminist and I say fuck a lot. Don’t generalise.

  51. Isla MacGregor

    March 7, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    Today is International Women’s Day and it is a good opportunity for all of us to be reminded that gaining equality for women is going to require [b]men[/b] to speak out and engage with other men about the need for all men to take action against this global crisis of violence to women.

    For men to [b]be bold for change [/b], opposition to the commodifcation and pornification of women is a crucial starting point.

    It is no longer acceptable for men, especially, to continue to capitulate to women’s inequality.

  52. Isla MAcGregor

    February 28, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    Yes Annie….the Republic of Ireland brought in their new Sex Buyer Law on Wednesday 22n Feb 2017:

    https://www.facebook.com/SPACEsurvivors/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf

    A great day!

  53. annie

    February 28, 2017 at 12:23 pm

    Would Simone and Isla like to comment on legislative change in Ireland recently?

    best wishes

  54. Isla MacGregor

    February 27, 2017 at 9:45 am

    “If women really choose prostitution, why is it mostly marginalized and disadvantaged women who do? If we want to discuss the issue of choice, let’s look at who is doing the actual choosing in the context of prostitution. Surely the issue is not why women allegedly choose to be in prostitution, but why men choose to buy the bodies of millions of women and children worldwide and call it sex.

    Philosophically, the response to the choice debate is ‘not’ to deny that women are capable of choosing within contexts of powerlessness, but to question how much real value, worth, and power these so-called choices confer.

    Politically, the question becomes, should the state sanction the sex industry based on the claim that some women choose prostitution when most women’s choice is actually ‘compliance’ to the only options available?

    When governments idealize women’s alleged choice to be in prostitution by legalizing, decriminalizing, or regulating the sex industry, they endorse a new range of ‘conformity’ for women.

    Increasingly, what is defended as a choice is not a triumph over oppression but another name for it.”
    ― Janice G. Raymond, Not a Choice, Not a Job: Exposing the Myths about Prostitution and the Global Sex Trade

  55. Claire Gilmour

    February 26, 2017 at 11:20 pm

    Cont…
    TANCRED
    “Euill is our chance, and hard our fortune is,
    Who here in silence and in shade debate,
    Where light of sunne and witnes all we mis,
    That should our prowess and our praise dilate:
    If words in armes finde place, yet grant me this,
    Tell me thy name, thy countrey and estate,
    That I may know (This dangerous combate donne)
    Whom I haue conquerd, or who hath me wonne.”
    TEXT
    Quoth she:
    CLORINDA
    “What I nill tell, you aske in vaine,
    Nor mou’d by praier, nor constrained by powre:
    But thus much know, I am one of those twaine
    Which late with kindled fire destroi’d the towre.”
    TEXT
    Tancred at her proud words sweld with disdaine:
    TANCRED
    “That has thou said in euill howre (quoth he),
    Thy vaunting speeches, and thy silence both,
    (Vnciuill wretch) hath made my hart more wroth.”
    Battle
    TEXT
    Ire in their chafed breasts renewed the fray,
    Fierce was the fight, though feeble were their might,
    Their strength was gone, their cunning was away.
    And furie in their stead maintain’d the fight:
    Their swords both points and edges sharpe embay
    In purple bloud, where so they hit or light,
    And if weake life yet in their bosomes lie,
    They liud because they both disdain to die.
    But now alas, the fatall how’re arriues.
    That her sweete life must leaue that tender hold.
    His sword into her bosome deepe he driues,
    And bath’d in lukewarm blood his iron cold,
    Betweene her brests the cruell weapon riues
    Her curious square, emboss with swelling gold,
    Her knees grow weake, the paines of death she
    Feeles, and like a falling Cedar bends and reeles,
    The Prince his hand vpon her shield doth streach,
    And low on earth the wounded damsell laith,
    And while she fell, with weake and woefull speech,
    Her praiers last, and last complaints she saith,
    A spirit new did her those praiers teach,
    Spirit of hope, of charitie, and faith;
    And though her life to Christ rebellious weare,
    Yet she died his childe and handmaide deare:
    CLORINDA
    “Friend thous hast wonne, I pardon thee, nor saue
    This bodie, that all torments can endure,
    But suae my soule, baptisme I dying craue,
    Come wash away my sinnes with water pure”
    TEXT
    His hart relenting nigh insunder raue,
    With woefull speech of that sweete creature,
    So that his rage, his wrath and anger dide,
    And on his cheekes salt teares for ruthe downe slide,
    With murmur lowd downe from the mountaines side
    A little runnell tumbled neere the place;
    Thither he ran and fild his helmet wide,
    And quicke return’d to do that worke of grace;
    With trembling hands her beauver he vntide,
    Which done he saw, and seeing, knew her face,
    And lost therewith his speech and moouing quight,
    O woefull knowledge, ah vnhappie sight!
    He died not, but all his strength vnites,
    And to his virtues gaue his hart in gard,
    Brideling his greefe, with water he requites
    The life, that he bereft with iron hard;
    And while the sacred words the knight recites,
    The Nymphe to heau’n with joy her selfe prepard;
    And as her life decaies, her ioyes increase,
    She smild and said:
    CLORINDA
    “Farewell, I die in peace.”
    Edward Fairfax (1600)

  56. Claire Gilmour

    February 26, 2017 at 11:19 pm

    Cont …
    Passage
    Yet night, consent that I their actes display,
    And make their deeds to future ages knowne,
    And in records of long enduring storie,
    Enroll their praise, their fame, their woorth & glorie.
    Beginning of the battle
    They neither shrunke, nor vantage sought of ground,
    They trauerst not, nor skipt from part to part,
    Their blowes were neither false nor faigned found,
    Their night, their rage, would let them vse no art,
    Their swords togither clash with dreadfull sound,
    Their feet stand fast, and neither stir nor start,
    They moue their hands, stedfast their feete remaine,
    Nor blow nor foine they stroake or thrust in vaine,
    Shame bred desire a sharp reuenge to take,
    And veng’ance taken gaue new cause of shame:
    So that with haste and little heed they strake,
    Fuell enough they had to feed the flame.
    At last so close their battell fierce they make,
    They could not weild their swords, so nie they came,
    They vs’d the hilts, and each on other rusht,
    And helme to helme, and shield to shield they crusht.
    Thrice his strong armes he fouldes about her waste,
    And thrice was forst to let the virgine goe,
    For she disdained to be so embraste,
    No louer would have strain’d his mistresse soe:
    They tooke their swords againe, and each enchaste
    Deepe wounds in the soft flesh of his strong foe,
    Till weak and wearie, faint, aliue vneath,
    They both retirde at once, at once tooke breath;
    Each other long beheild, and leaning stood
    Vpon their swords, whose points in earth were pight,
    When day breake rising from the Eastren flood,
    Put forth the thousand eies of blindfold night,
    Tancred beheild his foes out streaming blood,
    And gaping wounds, and waxt proud with the sight,
    O vanitie of mans vnstable minde,
    Puft vp with euerie blast of friendly winde!
    Why ioi’st thou wretch? O what shall be thy gaine?
    What trophie for this conquest ist, thou reares?
    Thine eies shall shed (in case thou not be slaine)
    For euerie drop of blood a sea of teares:
    The bleeding warriors leaning thus remaine.
    Each one to speake one word long time forbeares,
    Tancred the silence broake at last, and said,
    (For he would know with whom this fight he maid:)

    Cont…

  57. Claire Gilmour

    February 26, 2017 at 11:18 pm

    # 17 Wow absolutely beautiful, brought tears to my eyes.

    This is my preferred version … when in words …

    A translation of Monteverdi’s Il Combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda

    The Combat of Tancredi and Clorinda

    Edward Fairfax’s translation of the text of Il Combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda (1600)
    The Combat of Tancred and Clorinda
    TEXT
    He deem’d she was some man of mickle might,
    And on her person would he worship win,
    Ouer the hilles the nimph her iourney dight
    Towards another port, there to get in:
    Theme of the horse
    With hideous noise fast after spurr’d the knight,
    She heard and staide, and thus her words begin:
    CLORINDA
    “What haste has thou? ride softly, take thy breath, What bringest thou?
    TEXT
    He answerd:
    TANCRED
    “Warre and death….”
    CLORINDA
    “And warre and death….”
    TEXT
    Quoth she:
    CLORINDA
    “…heere maist thou get
    If thou for battle come”
    TEXT
    With that she staid:
    Tancred to ground his foote in haste downe set,
    And left his stead: on foote he saw the maid,
    Their courage hot, their ire and wrath they whet,
    And either champion drew a tranchant blaid:
    Togither ran they, and togither stroke,
    Like two fierce buls, whom rage and loue prouoke.
    Symphony
    The actions were and woonders of that fray,
    Which sable night did in darke bosome drowne,
    Woorthie of royal listes and brightest day,
    Woorthie a golden trompe and lawrell crowne.

    Cont …

  58. Robin Charles Halton

    February 25, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    #15 Simone, apart from the overuse of the f word, something my generation, the very early baby boomers rarely use, yours is a bold article unleashing your past and its nice to know that you have overcome the obstacles and have a normal settled relationship with a male partner.

    Excuse my anti feminist stance, obviously after reading your reply, your independent nature carries you through life.

    My wife has a certain character of independence too and has learnt as a former East Bloc girl to withstand Communism, fortunately she was well educated and able to maintain her dignity before and after her defection to the West.

    We both admire global womens rights Nobel prize winner Pakistani girl Malala Yousafzai but dont consider her as a feminist.

    I guess the word feminist has different meaning to different generations and upbringing. It can ring alarm bells for me!

    Keep up your good work just watch the language as there are too many youngsters are picking up the f word which is replacing less offensive curses such as bloody. We rarely use swear words in everyday language.

  59. Second Opinion

    February 25, 2017 at 1:04 am

    The link below explains the plot of Monteverdi’s exquisite venture into all things human; and the mess we make of it.
    Intimacy is such a fragile thing. Is it becoming less possible?

    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/feature/monteverdis-combattimento-which-recording-should-you-buy

    There are many interpretations on YouTube. My first time was an LP, Czech I think, which remains my go-to interpretation.
    When all is lost, or never was, this piece sustains me.

  60. Claire Gilmour

    February 22, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    Thanks for the extra info Isla and Simone. My comment(s) weren’t a criticism of the article by the way, just my way of trying to broaden the subject to hopefully get more discussion/ open doors going, especially from men and hopefully to inspire some bigger media coverage.

    Whilst never having been a ‘prostitute’ in the general sense of the word, (and kudos to you Simone for speaking out), do I feel like I’ve been ‘whored’ at times? Yes! Not just from some men, but from work places (sometimes run by women), by some politicians and gov hierarchy. Meaning putting aside some principles to keep the bare basics of survival and not becoming homeless and ‘on the streets’.

    Ie I recall some real estate agents involved/related to council who told me to ‘shut-up’ about council otherwise I’d be out of my home. So I did. That made me feel like a ‘prostitute … fucked over! When my father raped me as a child and my mother knew, kept telling me I should love my father, say nothing of all the abuse ‘cos otherwise I’d be taken away and put in foster care … I felt fucked over! When as a teenager, my boyfriends best friend tried to rape me then after my boyfriend confronted his friend came back and said it’s all ok … I felt fucked over. When I’ve been freezing cold in winter and had no fire wood and got woodcutters in with the deal -they take my dead trees down, I help load the firewood and we get half each, then they take 80% and I get 20%, then I know I’m just a woman that can be fucked over! And on and on and on it goes. Men taking advantage of desperation.

    It’s often not until one is older and with hindsight that one can appreciate what one has done to keep their head above water, how society generally expects genders to be in their roles.

    In my opinion government, and many politicians – still mainly men in Australia – still abide by the ‘man’ rule. That the ‘fairer’ sex is still seen as weaker and thus more easily manipulated.

    Whilst I’ve never considered myself as a feminist, I believe lots of men would … because I maintain my independence. I do this as a ‘person’ not because of my gender. Whilst also wanting to empower females to speak out. I also recognise the loneliness many face, including men and how it can lead into a prostitution world.

    Robin some men also marry for money and take or try to take half of what they haven’t earnt/contributed to.

    Mostly my closest friends have been men, good men who aren’t after sex. Maybe this is because the related women in my past kept telling me it was all about … your just a woman, you need a man! So I spurred women and went for men friends.

    BUT I also believe in being a naturalist. If I want to mow the lawns/garden, do house work in the nude on a hot day, why should I be placed in a ‘square’? It’s not sexual, pornographic, it’s my roots in being free and not controlled!!!

  61. Simone

    February 22, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    #13 Robin, I assume you are replying to my response to Claire who asked my opinion on marriage. I have no criticism of individuals who choose to marry, my only opinion is that it isn’t feminist. A lot of things are not feminist, a lot of women are not feminist. The conversation is seemingly lending itself to prostitution vs marriage. While I wasn’t intending that, I suppose when you look at the horrific numbers of women murdered by their current or former male partners just this year in Australia alone one can see the parallels of violence to women and the issue of hypermasculinity (ownership) that are reflected in male attitudes to women whom they purchase in the sex-trade. A woman in the sex-trade is 18x more likely to be murdered than a woman in any other ‘job’, and that increases to 40 x if she is and indigenous woman or WoC. For a woman murdered by a man outside of prostitution the ratio is 98% that she was murdered by a man she knew, and 50% that it was a male relative. Both stats usually refer to a husband, male-partner (current or former). So the more people question me about marriage the more I am a committed marriage abolitionist. I am glad you are happy in your marriage Robin. I truly am. You may be happy to know I find despite knowing these horrifying facts I am quite secure in my relationships with the men I know (though why it should be hoped that I have a male partner is a bit baffling- my ‘feminist disposition’ has freed me from having to deal with such a prospect- So many women and girls the world over have no such luxury), I guess some lucky sod has really missed out having me for a wife! Best regards to you.

    #14 You must be the lucky sod who missed out! A pity because I always find men who feel victimised by virtue of their ‘man bits’ (as you sweetly refer to them) so endearing, especially when they latch on to the nearest article they can find in which a couple of men have been importuned and then vindicated in a world where there is a less than.006% conviction rate for the rapist out of the miniscule number of female victims who dare to report. Most rape victims do not report out of the fear that the trial will be even worse than the trial. That being said you simply must stop flirting with me.

  62. Lumbered with Man Bits

    February 22, 2017 at 11:33 am

    Seems it is not always the man’s fault … story today says Nikki Yovino has been charged with second-degree falsely reporting an incident and tampering with or fabricating physical evidence.

    Yovino admitted she made up rape allegations against two football players to gain sympathy from another man.

    The two players were expelled from university and saw their scholarships revoked.

    What hope does a man have when claims are made against him like this? These two men were lucky she recanted.

    It is an imperfect world, at least we can whinge freely in Australia, unlike some countries.

  63. Robin Charles Halton

    February 22, 2017 at 9:50 am

    #10 Simone, I have read you sad account of facing life as a female of the species.

    The suggestion of marriage as a form of prostitution is a new one on me, I found it to be a settling experience as we chose each other when we met while overseas, despite a few differences now and again we get on well together and maintain a respectful relationship within marriage over the last 30 years

    Being a feminist carries a stigma, unfortunately it separates one from mainstream thinking of male/ female relationships and things can tend to go haywire as blame and dislike for males remains out of control and can go from bad to worse.

    I do hope you manage to find yourself an understanding male partner for the sake of getting your life back into balance.

    Being single should be a choice but being a feminist is an unhappy disposition in life.

  64. Lumbered with Man Bits

    February 21, 2017 at 11:45 pm

    #11. Yes, the great Tasmanian swordsman himself, Errol Flynn, miked up the women’s restroom at his mansion, so his male guests could eavesdrop.

    Errol said what he heard made it clear that for women it was all about the money.

    I guess that is understandable if women can’t get work because of gender bias.

    What I don’t understand is how a short marriage can entitle a woman to half of what has taken a man a lifetime to earn. And a big chunk of his future earnings. That, in my opinion, is exploitation.

  65. William Boeder

    February 21, 2017 at 8:50 pm

    (Deleted as off-topic)

  66. Simone

    February 21, 2017 at 10:53 am

    #7 Thanks Claire, I do have criticsms of marriage as a form of prostitution, however the commericial sex-trade is often, and has historically, been posited as some kind of false alternative; a ‘why fuck one man for survival wages for a miserable life when you can make more money fucking a lot who pay you’ mentality. I personally don’t view marriage as an admirable aim for women in a heteronormative society. The history of marriage itself tells us it is a contract of ownership from one man (the father) to another man (the husband) which is a trade between masters. I will say though, that prostituted women as a class vary from women married to men as a class on the basis that prostituted women have been historically used as giving married women a break from sexual use by their husbands, spoken of as non-human females to which all men are allowed sexual access and are used as the butt of jokes by women (married and unmarried) and men. Is not the biggest insult you can give any woman, married or unmarried, calling her a “whore”? Prostituted women are perceived and treated as the lowest denominator in society even back to ancient Greece where they had less status than slaves. Slaves could be owned and abused by one owner, prostituted women were accessible to all men. Here I would also mention that “stigma” in prostitution is not removed when decriminalisation of sex-buyers is enshrined in law, or at any time, because the focus of stigma has never truly been placed on the appropriate target- the sex-buyers themselves. I appreciate you may prefer I cover the education of all in one concise article but here I exhort others to do some self-education and indeed read other articles on this. You could use the link straight to my blog site which TT kindly shared if you were inclined and also see the articles #9 Isla mentioned above. Thank you.

  67. Isla MacGregor

    February 21, 2017 at 9:26 am

    #7&8…If you put into the TT search Simone Watson’s name you will read many articles and you will be able to inform yourself of [i]where, why, how and by whom[/i] etc, and I and Matthew Holloway have also posted many articles on the global sex trade. If you have missed these articles you will find them interesting.

    There are many men who are pro feminist allies on [i]our[/i] team globally and the number is increasing with the influence of the growing Nordic model abolitionist movement….see for instance

    http://nomas.org/

    Also the recently released book [b]The End of Patriarchy – Radical Feminism for Men[/b] by Robert Jensen is an enlightening perspective from a man on the subject of [i]prostitution….the sexual exploitation, abuse and violence perpetrated by men mostly against women and children[/i] – published by Spinifex Press.

    Claire you might enjoy this interview with Robert about male domination, pornography, prostitution and eroticising and domination and subordination of women

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gt02dQmAHg

    If you want to learn more then consider coming to the coming International Women’s Day forum on 8th March 1pm Parliament House Hobart [i]Men’s Violence to Women – A Broader Conversation[/i]. Matthew Holloway and Prof Bob Pease from UTAS will both be speaking along with Simone, Tessa Anne, Patmalar Ambikapathy – former Tas Children’s Commissioner and Madeleine Ogilvy.

  68. Claire Gilmour

    February 20, 2017 at 10:24 pm

    Perhaps there also needs to be considered from some men’s perspective … if one wants them on your team …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWRsgZuwf_8

  69. Claire Gilmour

    February 20, 2017 at 10:23 pm

    Too limited in subject matter in my opinion …

    Needs to be broadened into … where, why , how, by whom … history, education, religion, culture … values, vicinage, vicinity … laxity and leniency in laws on abuse …

    Perhaps Educate from the bottom up?

    Prostitution – the use of a skill or ability in a way that is considered unworthy, usually for financial gain.

    Besides being how governments generally/mostly pander to the few elite who financially run the world …

    … Isn’t that what’s been mostly called/deemed marriage between man and woman for ….ever ….?

    Woman vs man … need men!? One has to question?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmLNs6zQIHo

  70. Annie

    February 19, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    Thank you Simone
    I agree with you

    I am appreciating reading the “Australian” lately for excellent articles by women too about the flaws in the oh how wonderful is a certain religion conversation. What had my blood boiling too was an article about a public boy’s school in Sydney where the boys didn’t have to shake the hands of the prominent women awarding prizes to them on speech night if they felt offended by shaking hands with a woman; as if women somehow spread communicable diseases. Incredible isn’t it, how pervasive male entitlement can be and all within an Australian wide conversation about how to treat women with respect and how to reduce men’s violence against women.

    I think it is great that you can serve it up to the class system so well, Simone and also challenge women who are not part of the prostituted class to think about how their class and privileged based consciousness is just as harmful as the men who abuse women and girls within the sex industry.

  71. Joanna Pinkiewicz

    February 19, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    Thank you Simone and TT for publishing the article.

    I know many women and men in the left in support of ‘sex work’, which worries me greatly.This is seen either as ‘pro working class consciousness’ or ‘progressive’. I see it as libertarian and misogynistic.

    Freedom for women, as a class requires abolition of prostitution, both as a concept and a material condition.

    We betray our daughters and grand daughters, if we agree to paint sexual slavery and exploitation as ‘sex work’, as it is something they can consider of doing, or feel ‘less shame’ while doing it, because we have ‘accepted it’.

    What is really shameful, dehumanising and degrading, is the fact that prostitution exists at all.

  72. Brigitte Lechner

    February 18, 2017 at 11:19 pm

    Full marks to the TT for giving space to such an important women’s issue. I grew up believing what I was told: that prostitution was the oldest profession, men needed sexual gratification (and it takes the burden off their wives), and, of late, prostitution (incl. porn) was empowering and a matter of choice. When I was told that the oldest profession was actually midwifery this set me on the road of uncovering other parts in the battery of defence of the sex industry. And how marvellous that Simone has such excellent verbal skills and courage to say it as it is.

  73. Samantha Pay

    February 18, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    Thank you Simone. Brilliant and simply the truth. Will be sharing widely, including with the men I meet or know personally who do believe medals and ‘get-out-of-other-sexist-misdemeanours cards’ are deserved endlessly for just not raping, beating or murdering women like the ‘baddies’, but do absolutely nothing to support our voices in public spaces or within family, and still do everything to make us feel, along with their female supporters, that our voices and knowledge are boring, negative, exaggerated, hysterical, jealous, irrational, moralistic, anti-men, anti-sex, anti-liberal, uptight, or in need of mansplaining. Never has any freedom from oppression and abuse for any class been so effectively distorted in the mainstream narrative as it has in the case of the collective conscious conditioning of favouring and ‘dressing up’ the sexual servitude of women to men.

  74. Tessa

    February 18, 2017 at 9:54 pm

    I admire you so much simone. Youre writing is sharp, your message uncompromising and you are God. Damn. Brave.

  75. Isla MacGregor

    February 18, 2017 at 8:14 pm

    Simone’s very personal article debunking the myths about the sex trade is a must read not just for men but women also. It is especially a must read for people who identify as “sex workers” or those men, in particular, who think that buying women for sex is OK because it is just “work”.

    As International Women’s Day draws near Simone’s article is a reminder to men just how important it is that they take an active, very active role in speaking out against violence to women and the global sex trade.

    Excellent article and thanks to TT for publishing.

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