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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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Third of Britons have stopped or reduced eating meat – report

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  1. Ted Mead

    November 4, 2018 at 9:33 am

    Carnivores, like it or not, in a couple of decades when the impacts of climate change kick in, all you red meat-eaters out there will be devouring synthesised protein products that look and taste like the real thing.

    There is a fairly high chance that grand-scale meat farming will fail to exist due to drought, and the inability to produce enough grain for feed pens. Wild fish stocks will be too depleted to regenerate because of unsustainable practices and ocean carbonic contamination.

    One wonders how fanatical meat-eating cultures will cope with such a transition.

    Forget about oil wars of the future, because it will soon be food and water wars!

    Back in 1971 – The Book – ‘A diet for a small planet’ outlined all these food consumption issues that humanity will soon face, but nobody listened !

  2. Geoff Holloway

    November 3, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    Simon Warriner, your argument lacks scientific merit and your comments re Shackleton are wrong. Your question “Have you ever noticed how the vegans on your team suffer more colds, and run out of puff before the carnivores?” is ludicrous, and wrong as well.

    You make totally unsubstantiated statements. The survival of the world depends, ultimately, on a vegan future. Next time please try to substantiate your biases with scientific, peer-reviewed research rather than personal opinion. Even the United Nations recognises that a vegan world is necessary for the planet’s survival, so please make sure of your facts, Simon!

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

  3. Pete Godfrey

    November 2, 2018 at 6:31 pm

    Try running that argument past some of the strongest animals on the planet, Simon. Have you ever seen a weak Gorilla or Elephant?

    On the other side, Lions spend most of their time laying about. They have little real stamina and take hours to digest their meals.

    There are vegetarians and vegans who have a crap diet, as well as meat eaters who have a crap diet. You are comparing apples with spuds.

  4. Simon Warriner

    November 2, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    Did anyone think to ask what impact price and affordability had on the decision-making process? Or was that conveniently left out on purpose?

    And, have you ever noticed how the vegans on your team suffer more colds, and run out of puff before the carnivores? That very discussion was had the other day by a volunteer group I am presently working with, and yes, it was definitely noticed by some who I thought would have been more sympathetic than was the case.

    A hint: Shackelton and his mates did not survive their little adventure in the Antarctic on a diet of leafy greens and exotic fruit. They did it on a diet of meat and fat with limited flour. it was all they had, and it kept them warm enough to survive. Any volunteers to try surviving that climate on a vegetarian diet?

    Likewise, there is a reason shearers expect meat-based protein for brekky and lunch. It is because you cannot do the amount of physical work they do on tofu and beans, regardless of how well it might be cooked and presented.

    • spikey

      November 2, 2018 at 5:44 pm

      Perhaps Simon, you should educate yourself on what many vegan and vegetarian people have accomplished in competitive endurance fields.
      Try Abdullah Zeinab for starters.

      If researching your dietary prejudices doesn’t change your mind, I’ve got plenty of vegan and vego mates that go as hard as anyone I know and they can show you how wrong you are.

      • Simon Warriner

        November 3, 2018 at 2:31 pm

        Are any of them shearers, Spikey? Running a few miles, or riding a pushbike in a single event after weeks of building up gradually, is not the same as dragging several hundred 70 kilogram plus sheep across the board and shearing them after having started at 5:00am after driving up to an hour to get to the shed, up to six days a week, or trying to avoid hypothermia when wringing wet in temperatures below freezing. It will be interesting to see the mortality stats for the vegetarian group as they age, and the cause of death. If, and it is a huge “IF”, the Guardian article is correct, we should have quite the sample group to observe. The Guardian has developed quite the reputation for dodgy journalism.

        Your sample size and composition could be the problem, if comprised of lots of people who are vegans who do not go particularly hard. (I jest).

        I do not eat meat every day, and certainly not every meal, but it has an important place in a normal diet. Like most products its use is over promoted and abused in the pursuit of profit.

    • Russell

      November 3, 2018 at 8:35 am

      Simon, take a walk through your local town centre and witness the obesity problem. More than half the people I know have diabetes. Our western diet is killing most of humanity from the inside out.

      I’m not vegetarian or vegan, but I seldom eat meat .. preferably low fat wallaby or fresh caught fish when I do. I can’t remember the last time my partner and I were sick .. or even had a cold, while all the meat eater friends around us are constantly sick. Most people 30 years younger can’t keep up with us.

      My partner’s grandmother is dying from her western eating habits, and her grandfather is a very serious heart attack candidate as a direct result of his ‘need to eat meat at every meal’ diet.

      Shackelton’s mob didn’t just eat meat, although they were forced to when they were stuck and ran short of supplies.

      Only people like the Inuit and some African tribes traditionally ate mostly meat, milk and blood, but only at times of the year they couldn’t get any herbage. They had been able to do so only because their bodies had evolved fir it over thousands of years. The introduction of the western diet is now causing huge health problems with those people, as well as the rest of the world.

      The western diet is poisonous consisting as it does of hormone and chemically-tainted meats, sugar, over-processed fillers, chemical ingredients that are only described with numbers and over-processed salt and grains which haven’t been soaked. There is very little actual nutrition is the western diet, and the human body can’t physically process so much animal protein. Most people can’t taste their food any more without adding heaps of sugar, fat and salt.

      Shearers only have so much meat with every meal because that’s mostly what’s on hand for the cook to freely use.

      What’s the average life expectancy of shearers?

      • Simon Warriner

        November 3, 2018 at 2:09 pm

        Highly refined flour, salt, sugar, palm oil and corn syrup are not animal products, Russell. Those are the primary components of the sort of diet fingered as the cause of the obesity epidemic. That, and a lack of physical movement. As for all the crap passed off as meat in processed food, the illnesses resulting from a diet of that rubbish are not from the original protein, but from the way it has been adulterated to produce the final product. Apples and spuds seems appropriate.

        The average life expectancy of shearers in my circle of acquaintance seems to be on par with their peers on the land. Several have outlived my father who died at 75. Neither my brother or brother in law are obese or diabetic, and they lived on a shearer’s diet for around fifteen years. The ones who die early seem to have a fondness for frothy brown beverages, in my experience. Incidentally, when my parents brought their sheep farm they were told by the seller that shearers would not work there because of the shed conditions. When my father talked to a couple of contractors he was told it was because the food provided was late, poorly cooked and gutless. The wife was a trendy vego back in the early 70s.

        I have just finished reading a history of Shackleton’s little adventure based on diaries and conversations, and I think your interpretation is wildly optimistic, at best. They were “stuck” for well over 12 months, and were considering shooting dogs on Jan 13 1915 due to food shortages. Rescue was effected for the advance party on 10th May 1915, and for the main team on Elephant Island on 30th August 1915. Hardly “when they ran short on supplies” I think.

        No, their diet was not ideal, and they wound up severely constipated as a result, and I would hardly recommend it, but it kept them alive in perhaps the most extreme circumstances possible. When on Elephant Island they used seaweed when it was accessible which doubtless helped, but a diet of seaweed with no meat would have killed them, had it been a possibility on the ice pack. Miriam Lancewood, in “Woman in the Wilderness” writing about living off the land in NZ for 12 months, makes a similar observation on the role of meat protein in staving off the effects of cold … pages 33 to 42, although the whole book is a really good read about the impact of a modern way of life.

        • Russell

          November 4, 2018 at 7:34 am

          You are wrong Simon. Overcooked and over-eaten meat is as big a problem with regards to obesity and diabetes as sugar and all the other poisons sold by supermarkets. Over-cooked meat has very little nutrition as the heat kills all the vitamins.

          Inuits, traditional African tribes and populations from all across the world ate raw or fermented meat which enabled the vitamin C and everything else nutritional to remain, and also predigested the meat so that it wasn’t a burden to the body’s digestive system. This was the attributable reason for these people’s stamina. “Nourishing Traditions” .. pages 26-35, 47, 231-242.

          Shackleton’s final expedition to the Antarctic was a comedy of errors as a result of not heeding the whalers’ warnings that year of extra ice, and pig-headed Britishness, unlike Amundsen’s triumphal expedition to the South Pole whose provisions included preserved meat which had vegetables and oatmeal in it.

          As they say, the proof is in the pudding. I suggest you read Amundsen’s journals in the book “The South Pole” to see how it’s done properly.

          The protein in animal products available today is largely indigestible, and over-cooking it kills off whatever is left.

          I’d like to see actual statistical facts about shearers’ lifespans if you could provide them.

          I know of cattle station owners who have had most of their entire gall bladders removed, or all, because they’ve been so rotted by their meat, meat, meat diets.

          Anyway, why are you pouring scorn on the third of Britons who want to try to be healthier?

          You may as well not eat any meat if it’s of no nutritional value. Grow or catch your own, and prepare it accordingly to be nutritious and of benefit. For example, instead of cooking fish try cutting it into 1″ cubes, then cover them in a jar with natural apple cider vinegar. Toss in a few peppercorns, herbs and spices or whatever, and put it in the fridge to eat raw the next day.

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