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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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Greens to survey members on how to pick leader and govern with Labor

Exclusive: The Greens have already ruled out entering negotiations with a Liberal government

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  1. Rob Halton

    November 11, 2018 at 2:41 pm

    One cannot be very smart to suggest we will need the Greens with Labor presumably with Bill Shorten as our future PM.

    My anticipation is the Liberals should be OK under Morrison, who in fact is a remarkable change from the slowness of Turnbull.
    The Achilles heel for the Coalition is the Nationals.

    As the tables of the Coalition are likely to turn, Morrison needs to remain consistent as preferred PM, but he may have to form a Coalition with the Independents, and who is the most experienced sitting Independent? It’s Andrew Wilkie who could be our next Deputy PM.

    That arrangement would work quite OK as long as Morrison addresses the current and ongoing Manus Island issues, and I am confident that he will do so before the next election!

    The heat is brewing with China on the prowl for more Australian assets such as the national gas distribution network about which Morrison made clear that there would be no sale for $14 Billion to protect the national interest.

    With Wilkie as an ex military intelligence officer he would be a valuable asset and ally for both the incoming ruling party and for the people of Australia.

    I simply cannot see the Greens especially swaying the voters on national interest and homeland security issues, the Greens will always be pushing for Climate Change when the balance of trade and the national interest must be forefront.

    China is pushing the boundaries keeping peace with their advances into global trade and property aquisitions needs to be seriously addressed to keep them at a reasonable distance and maintaining sharp but on reasonably friendly terms.

    I cant be more diplomatic than suggest it will be the Liberals with a mix of Independents and other players such as One Nation could be the new players in the next Federal government.

    Had the Nationals nominated George Christensen who is quite vocal as their leader then the National may will have survived into the next Coalition arrangement!

  2. Geoff Holloway

    November 11, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    While I understand Peter Bright’s sentiments suggesting that Labor is better than the Nats and Libs, this is precisely what has been a major part of the problem as to why the Greens are not advancing beyond their overall 10% vote.

    About 75% of Green voters give their preferences to Labor, hence the label ‘disaffected Labor voters’. The original ‘Greens’*, as in the world’s first ‘Green’ party, the United Tasmania Group (UTG), always pursued independence from BOTH major parties. Our slogan is ‘Neither Left nor Right, but out in Front!” (Dick Jones, founding leader of UTG).

    The Greens are killing themselves by not acting in a way that indicates that they are an independent third force. Another coalition with Labor is likely to lead to the death of the Greens nationally, as is happening already in Tasmania.

    (*The term Green had not been invented back then.)

    • Peter Bright

      November 11, 2018 at 6:53 pm

      Geoff, the nation is not ready to vote overwhelmingly for Independents, and although I like that idea in principle we can predict that it will be heavily nobbled in practice because everybody has his own biases.

      We have to live with what’s feasible Geoff, and a coalition of the Greens and Labor has already been proven practicable.

      My qualifier deals with the potential for trouble, vexation and hostility with the words ..

      “I see Labor and the Greens as natural allies, perfectly capable of ensuring success if both parties stay principled, intelligent and fair.”

      • Geoff Holloway

        November 11, 2018 at 8:52 pm

        You misunderstood my point Peter.

        I did not suggest that people vote for Independents. What I said was that the Greens are not achieving what they originally set out to do, and that is to be seen as the third force, just as Richard Di Natale declared when he became national leader of the Greens.

        The Greens need to differentiate themselves from Labor (not just the Liberals) and not tighten the knot as you are suggesting. What are the Labor Party’s policies on the cable cars (Kunanyi and Cradle)? What are the Labor Party’s policies on the increasing privatisation and incursions into our National Parks? What are the Labor Party’s policies on preventing child abuse? Where are the Labor Party’s policies on sustainable tourism?

        I could provide a long list whereby the Greens could distinguish themselves … but I realise that none of this is feasible without radical changes within the Greens.

      • Simon Warriner

        November 12, 2018 at 5:50 am

        It is being proven repeatedly that party politics has a problem with being “principled, intelligent and fair”.

        My conversations with ex members of the Tasmanian Greens reveal repeatedly that the failure to be “principled, intelligent and fair” was why they ended their involvement.

        Too much rule by decree from above, in other words. That is what political parties always devolve to, and why they are a complete waste of time, effort and money, regardless of the idealism that was present in the original formative enthusiasm.

  3. Tony Stone

    November 11, 2018 at 12:28 pm

    It won’t make any difference to the outcomes for Australia. The Greens, like Labor and the Liberals, are all ideologues, and they all live in Fantasy Land. They have the same approach to the future as each other, which will solve nothing and just make things worse and worse.

    There are no current parties or leaders who are capable of changing the current direction of society which is heading down the sewer into oblivion, as ideology is the death knell for humanity and all life.

  4. Fiona

    November 11, 2018 at 11:35 am

    I agree.

  5. Peter Bright

    November 11, 2018 at 6:01 am

    One of the best suggestions that could be made in these difficult times is that Labor and the Greens become a coalition to counterbalance the coalition between the Nationals and the Liberals.

    I see Labor and the Greens as natural allies, perfectly capable of ensuring success if both parties stay principled, intelligent and fair.

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