Tasmanian Times

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

Don Maisch

Tasmania’s new electricity smart metering rollout …

*Pic: A smart meter …

… Why opting out may be your wisest, and healthiest choice …


On December 1, 2017, the Australian Energy Market Commission’s (AEMC) final rule determination, titled: “Expanding competition in metering and related services” came into force in Tasmania, SA, NSW, the ACT and Qld. The rule states that this is a framework which is designed to, “promote innovation and lead to investment in advanced meters that deliver services valued by consumers at a price they are willing to pay. Improved access to the services enabled by advanced meters will provide consumers with opportunities to better understand and take control of their electricity consumption and the costs associated with their usage decisions …”

This rule came about as a result of a request from the Council of Australian Governments’ (COAG) Energy Council that considered that the previous metering rule allowed and encouraged the continued installation of mechanical analogue meters, which they said had “only limited functionality”.

What this means is that over the next few years we will see a gradual replacement of the existing analogue electricity meters with so called advanced meters (also called digital or smart meters).

These meters have the capacity to collect energy use data and send that back to the provider by a wireless network without the need for a meter reader going from house to house to collect that data. As for the uptake of advanced meters (smart meters), TasNetworks has estimated that presently (2017-2019) only about 4% residential and 12% small business customers have a smart meter. By 2024-29, it is expected that this will increase to 31% residential and 59% small business customers. By 2029-34, it is expected that all energy customers will have a smart meter.”

As a result of opposition to the mandated introduction of smart meters in Victoria …

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*Don Maisch has been involved in telecommunications standard setting since the early 1990s and was a member of the Standards Australia Committee setting exposure standards for electromagnetic fields which served as the basis for his thesis. His PhD thesis examined industry influence and bias in telecommunications health risk assessment. He is the author of a book chapter (Chapter 16: Spin In The Antipodes) on industry influence in Australian expert science committees. Recommend reading is “Corporate Ties That Bind: An Examination of Corporate Manipulation and Vested Interest in Public Health” See: https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/10/06/the-corporate-assault-on-science/ One of his other interests is examining draconian US tax laws that have been accepted in an IGA by the former Abbott government and how they affect the financial future of expat Americans lining in Australia.

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  1. Stephan

    November 15, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    I found out about this smart meter rollout yesterday while reading the Cygnet Classifieds. It’s been a while since I regularly haunted TT. While the potential detrimental health affects are concerning I use Wifi for computing purposes, and so have no grounds to bitch there.

    What gets my goat about this situation is that in the promotional material Aurora has published online there is a little line item about charging me an 11 cent a day “service” fee for the use of the Aurora PAYG+ service. That’s over 35 bucks a year, for now.

    As I see it, after the installation of a smart meter Aurora will be making PAYG customers pay a fee to pay for their service while also getting free data. That’s what I call a triple bottom line benefit to the company.

    Somebody in Aurora is a genius, and I wish I had access to him so I could bitch mightily.

  2. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 23, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    Further to my #58 …

    The correct reference to my last post is:

    “Microwave frequency electromagnetic fields (EMFs) produce widespread neuropsychiatric effects including depression”

    Journal of Chemical Neuroanatomy 75 (2016) 43–51


    Note: The whole article can be downloaded for free.

  3. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 23, 2018 at 12:09 pm

    “Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health”

    (Environmental Research; July 2018, Pages 405-416)


    “Non-thermal microwave/lower frequency electromagnetic fields (EMFs) act via voltage-gated calcium channel (VGCC) activation. Calcium channel blockers block EMF effects and several types of additional evidence confirm this mechanism. Low intensity microwave EMFs have been proposed to produce neuropsychiatric effects, sometimes called microwave syndrome, and the focus of this review is whether these are indeed well documented and consistent with the known mechanism(s) of action of such EMFs.
    VGCCs occur in very high densities throughout the nervous system and have near universal roles in release of neurotransmitters and neuroendocrine hormones. Soviet and Western literature shows that much of the impact of non-thermal microwave exposures in experimental animals occurs in the brain and peripheral nervous system, such that nervous system histology and function show diverse and substantial changes. These may be generated through roles of VGCC activation, producing excessive neurotransmitter/neuroendocrine release as well as oxidative/nitrosative stress and other responses. Excessive VGCC activity has been shown from genetic polymorphism studies to have roles in producing neuropsychiatric changes in humans. Two U.S. government reports from the 1970s to 1980s provide evidence for many neuropsychiatric effects of non-thermal microwave EMFs, based on occupational exposure studies. 18 more recent epidemiological studies, provide substantial evidence that microwave EMFs from cell/mobile phone base stations, excessive cell/mobile phone usage and from wireless smart meters can each produce similar patterns of neuropsychiatric effects, with several of these studies showing clear dose–response relationships. Lesser evidence from 6 additional studies suggests that short wave, radio station, occupational and digital TV antenna exposures may produce similar neuropsychiatric effects. Among the more commonly reported changes are sleep disturbance/insomnia, headache, depression/depressive symptoms, fatigue/tiredness, dysesthesia, concentration/attention dysfunction, memory changes, dizziness, irritability, loss of appetite/body weight, restlessness/anxiety, nausea, skin burning/tingling/dermographism and EEG changes. In summary, then, the mechanism of action of microwave EMFs, the role of the VGCCs in the brain, the impact of non-thermal EMFs on the brain, extensive epidemiological studies performed over the past 50 years, and five criteria testing for causality, all collectively show that various non-thermal microwave EMF exposures produce diverse neuropsychiatric effects.”

  4. mike seabrook

    July 22, 2018 at 10:30 am

    put smart meters on those bludgers buying est. 60% of tassies hydro electricity output at est. 4c per kwh delivered – this will get some honesty and fair play into the electricity system and expose the shonky deals/payoffs

  5. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 22, 2018 at 12:09 am

    How WiFi & other EMFs Cause Biological Harm: https://youtu.be/Pjt0iJThPU0

    by Prof Martin Pall

    PS: For those who don’t know, Prof Pall has a degree in physics. It is my view that his contribution to the understanding of how electromagnetic fields affect the cells of mammals is a significant scientific breakthrough and is very likely lead to a Nobel Prize in Medicine/Physiology.

  6. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 20, 2018 at 12:18 pm

    Understanding EMFs: For Engineers & Physicists https://sites.google.com/site/understandingemfs/for-engineers-physicists

    “Note: The information provided here is publicly available on the Internet.  It is intended to provide a starting point to inform you of EMF dangers.  Please do your own research, draw your own conclusions, and act accordingly to protect those you love.”

  7. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 20, 2018 at 11:50 am

    Watch “Dr. Martin Pall Testimony: Health Effects of Wireless Massachusetts Statehouse 2017” https://youtu.be/9qfJyzD4j7c

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the science behind the proposed biophysical mechanism (voltage gated calcium channels) by which EMFs electrically interact with cells proves to be correct. We are potentially witnessing the makings of a Nobel Prize winning scientific discovery in Medicine/Physiology.

  8. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 19, 2018 at 12:57 pm

    International Appeal

    “To:    His Excellency Antonio Guterres, Secretary-General of the United Nations;
             Honorable Dr. Tedros Adhanom, Director-General of the World Health Organization
             Honorable Erik Solheim, Executive Director of the U.N. Environment Programme;  
             U.N. Member Nations”

    International Appeal

    Scientists call for Protection from Non-ionizing Electromagnetic Field Exposure

    “We are scientists engaged in the study of biological and health effects of non-ionizing electromagnetic fields (EMF). Based upon peer-reviewed, published research, we have serious concerns regarding the ubiquitous and increasing exposure to EMF generated by electric and wireless devices. These include–but are not limited to–radiofrequency radiation (RFR) emitting devices, such as cellular and cordless phones and their base stations, Wi-Fi, broadcast antennas, smart meters, and baby monitors as well as electric devices and infra-structures used in the delivery of electricity that generate extremely-low frequency electromagnetic field (ELF EMF).

    Scientific basis for our common concerns …

    Numerous recent scientific publications have shown that EMF affects living organisms at levels well below most international and national guidelines. Effects include increased cancer risk, cellular stress, increase in harmful free radicals, genetic damages, structural and functional changes of the reproductive system, learning and memory deficits, neurological disorders, and negative impacts on general well-being in humans. Damage goes well beyond the human race, as there is growing evidence of harmful effects to both plant and animal life.  

    These findings justify our appeal to the United Nations (UN) and, all member States in the world, to encourage the World Health Organization (WHO) to exert strong leadership in fostering the development of more protective EMF guidelines, encouraging precautionary measures, and educating the public about health risks, particularly risk to children and fetal development.  By not taking action, the WHO is failing to fulfill its role as the preeminent international public health agency.

    For further information please see https://www.emfscientist.org/index.php/emf-scientist-appeal

  9. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 19, 2018 at 9:56 am

    “WiFi Health Effects: Dr. Martin Pall to Portland Public Schools Board”


  10. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 19, 2018 at 9:42 am

    Statement by the Advisors to the International EMF Scientist Appeal – August 18, 2017

    “In addition to the technological advancements that have been transforming the electrical power and telecommunications industry over the last few decades, we are now witnessing a new infrastructure deployment – 5th generation (5G) wireless broadband, and the Internet of Things – that promises to establish a globally connected world. Some parts of 5G will operate at much higher frequencies than before, into the millimetre range. This new infrastructure will be transmitting through the environment with a multitude of low powered micro-sensors (emitters and sensors).

    There is scientific evidence to cause concern among independent scientists, that this new infrastructure, on top of existing electrical and wireless infrastructures, will cause more harm to mankind and nature. People who suffer from electrical sensitivity are facing the reality that they may have no place to go that is free from EMF hazards.

    New U.N. Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights, issued in June 2017, realise that “the human rights of all” are an important aspect to achieving the U.N’s Sustainable Development Goals. These principles hold that business and investment do not come at the cost of human rights, based on the three pillars of “Protect, Respect and Remedy”. The current practice of deploying new technologies, without first completing an investigation to ensure there is no possible harm, violates these principles.

    “We recommend that, in keeping with the U.N. Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights, to “Protect, Respect and Remedy”, 5G technologies must be subjected to an independent health and safety assessment before they are launched.


  11. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 19, 2018 at 9:24 am

    International Scientists Appeal to U.N. to Protect Humans and Wildlife from Electromagnetic Fields and Wireless Technology

    See https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150511005200/en/International-Scientists-Appeal-U.N.-Protect-Humans-Wildlife

    WHO’s conflicting stance on risk needs strengthening, says 190 scientists

    “Martin Blank, PhD of Columbia University representing 190 international scientists in an Appeal to the UN, UN Member States and the WHO on the risks of electromagnetic fields emitted by telecommunications and utility technologies. Cautioning strongly, Dr. Blank says, “The time to deal with the harmful biological and health effects is long overdue. To protect our children, ourselves and our ecosystem, we must reduce exposure by establishing more protective guidelines.”

    May 11, 2015

    “Today 190 scientists from 39 nations submitted an appeal to the United Nations, UN member states and the World Health Organization (WHO) requesting they adopt more protective exposure guidelines for electromagnetic fields (EMF) and wireless technology in the face of increasing evidence of risk. These exposures are a rapidly growing form of environmental pollution worldwide.

    “ICNIRP guidelines set exposure standards for high-intensity, short-term, tissue-heating thresholds. These do not protect us from the low-intensity, chronic exposures common today. Scientists signing the Appeal request that the UN and member nations protect the global human population and wildlife from EMF exposures.”

    The “International EMF Scientist Appeal” asks the Secretary General and UN affiliated bodies to encourage precautionary measures, to limit EMF exposures, and to educate the public about health risks, particularly to children and pregnant women.

    The Appeal highlights WHO’s conflicting positions about EMF risk. WHO’s International Agency for Research on Cancer classified Radiofrequency radiation as a Group 2B “Possible Carcinogen” in 2011, and Extremely Low Frequency fields in 2001. Nonetheless, WHO continues to ignore its own agency’s recommendations and favors guidelines recommended by the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP). These guidelines, developed by a self-selected group of industry insiders, have long been criticized as non-protective.

    The Appeal calls on the UN to strengthen its advisories on EMF risk for humans and to assess the potential impact on wildlife and other living organisms under the auspices of the UN Environmental Programme, in line with the science demonstrating risk, thereby resolving this inconsistency.

    Martin Blank, PhD, of Columbia University, says, “International exposure guidelines for electromagnetic fields must be strengthened to reflect the reality of their impact on our bodies, especially on our DNA. The time to deal with the harmful biological and health effects is long overdue. We must reduce exposure by establishing more protective guidelines.”

    Joel Moskowitz, PhD, of University of California, Berkeley, says, “ICNIRP guidelines set exposure standards for high-intensity, short-term, tissue-heating thresholds. These do not protect us from the low-intensity, chronic exposures common today. Scientists signing the Appeal request that the UN and member nations protect the global human population and wildlife from EMF exposures.”

  12. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 19, 2018 at 3:29 am

    #48 .. When I wrote “A number of us have a reasonably good understanding of how SMPS work …” I was particularly referring to you and me (I do have professional work experience in electrical and electronic engineering from my early career in DSTO).

    But you and I differ in our scientific understanding of electrical and chemical signalling in biological systems, particularly in the brain. You ought to know that the operation of any (unshielded) circuit that has electrical signal flow can be susceptible to interference from electromagnetic fields. The currents in our brains are very small and can be easily affected by external electromagnetic fields (I studied neuroscience and neurophysiology as part of my theoretical/computational PhD, hence why I have a good scientific base from which to understand the science relevant to the discussion at hand).

    As of about 5 years ago some scientists have begun to converge on a scientific hypothesis of how external non-ionising electromagnetic fields can electrically interfere with biological systems. It has been proposed that the interaction is via voltage gated calcium channels. See this talk by professor of Biochemistry (Dr. Martin Pall)

    Electromagnetic Field Exposure – The Cellular Effect on Humans


    Here is a link to one of his scientific articles:

    Electromagnetic fields act via activation of voltage-gated calcium channels to produce beneficial or adverse effects


    I am studying the scientific literature to see where this is going.

    I am of opinion that, as scientists gain a better understanding of the problem, governments will modify their legislation because it is already outdated.

  13. Peter Bright

    July 18, 2018 at 10:02 pm

    Dr Peter Lozo at #46 states [i]” A number of us have a reasonably good understanding of how SMPS work although we don’t know how SMPS in smartmeters add high frequency spikes on the 240 Volt output line .. [/i]

    My own conclusion Peter, remains the same as always .. they don’t.

    There’s a simple Fact Sheet here.. https://www.arpansa.gov.au/sites/g/files/net3086/f/legacy/pubs/factsheets/SmartmetersandHealth.pdf

    – where this appears:

    [i]There is no established scientific evidence that the low level RF EME exposure from smart meters causes any health effects [b]including symptoms of ill health communicated by some people.”[/b][/i]

    Don’t trust the Yanks. They love bullshit pie. Don’t trust YouTube. They distribute it.

  14. Ian M

    July 18, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    #42 … That video shows you exactly what its source, Warren Woodward, wants you to see. Whether it’s a true demonstration, carefully crafted hoax or simply a mistake or ignorance is impossible to determine.

    There are some links to studies there, but even without looking at them I can pretty much guarantee none of them will confirm the exact story Woodward is telling you.

    It’s worth checking up on Woodward too: https://smartmeterharm.org/tag/warren-woodward/

    Also, for more information on sending data over power-lines, search for the phrase or “broadband over power-lines”.

  15. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 18, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    A number of us have a reasonably good understanding of how SMPS work although we don’t know how SMPS in smartmeters add high frequency spikes on the 240 Volt output line .. whether it is via EM induction or whether it is via a capacitive or resistive pathway, but the real issue of contention is whether the high frequency spikes (or the wireless data transmission) are potentially harmful to health.

    My opinion, based on reading some scientific literature, is that it is potentially harmful, and that we ought to be cautious.

  16. Peter Bright

    July 18, 2018 at 8:35 pm

    I have no doubt that mains power consumption can be measured and processed without generating any electronic interference at all, and without passing mains current through any part of the low voltage Smartmeter circuitry.

    But Peter, I don’t have this task so I won’t be designing the means to do the job.

    Electronic engineers know what they are doing. Quality universities don’t hand out engineering degrees without well-earned cause.

  17. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 18, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    #43 … Peter, you forgot the most important thing: how do you propose to read the power consumption? Remember that 240 Volt supply has to pass through the meter so that the meter can track the power consumption by the user.

    Smart-meters have evolved over a decade or so and have been manufactured (and designed) by a few manufacturers. I very much doubt that the design engineers gave much thought to the high frequency spikes as potentially being harmful to health.

    It seems that a number of people on here don’t consider it as being harmful, either.

  18. Peter Bright

    July 18, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    Ian M at #40 has a rational understanding about SMPS that’s devoid of the manic panic syndrome so often expressed by ignorant mortals, and those with a monetary interest in damping that artificially created panic.

    The content of Ian’s first two paragraphs is worth repeating:

    [i]”A couple of quick points regarding the scope of this discussion. I asked a question in a previous discussion on this site regarding the exact type of smart meters proposed for Tasmania. Nobody answered that question, and due to the above comments it seems that still nobody is aware of the specific make and model intended for use in Tasmania.

    “As an aside, I suspect whatever smart meters are chosen will use wifi to street-based access points, or to the customer’s existing internet connection, to send data back to base. A few packets every now and then would be negligible.”[/i]

    Let’s examine the role of an SMPS in the Smartmeter application …

    At https://eon3emfblog.net/2011/03/30/new-critical-problem-with-smart-meters-a-switching-mode-power-supply/ there’s this [i]”On examination of typical meters, including ABB, GE, and Landis Gyr, they report that, in addition to its RF transmitter, each wireless digital meter also has a component called the ‘switching-mode power supply’ (SMPS) or switching power supply for short. Its function is to ‘step down’ the 240 Volt alternating current (AC) coming in from the utility pole power lines to the 2 to 10 volts of direct current (DC) required to run the meter’s digital electronics which record the electricity usage data.”[/i]

    This is precisely the understanding I have of this role. The technology is simple and the power needed in this application is very low. Reliability and low cost are now standard. All SMPS electromagnetic emissions can be attenuated by appropriate magnetic and electronic shielding to whatever extent is deemed desirable or essential by the regulating authority.

    But there are very simple ways to avoid all high frequency emanations.

    1. Use a removable battery pack, eg of three or four lithium cells wired in series that the owner removes and recharges periodically when a yellow warning LED glows. Unfortunately quite a complex charger is required to charge lithium cells properly, and as a separate item that will add to the cost. We can categorise this method as impractical.

    2. Use a very small mains connected conventional iron-cored 50 Hertz transformer within the Smartmeter, one whose electromagnetic emissions will be no higher than 100 Hertz.

  19. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 18, 2018 at 6:15 pm

    Whatever Mr States said is confirmed by an independent set of measurements on one smartmeter by another person. See https://youtu.be/4NTSejgsjTc?

    I found the video very educational and saw it three times over the past two days.

  20. Ian M

    July 18, 2018 at 4:36 pm

    For the content of Rob States’ letter, see: https://eon3emfblog.net/2011/03/30/new-critical-problem-with-smart-meters-a-switching-mode-power-supply/

    Search the page for the text “Here is a letter recently sent to the CPUC by engineer Rob States”.

  21. Ian M

    July 18, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    A couple of quick points regarding the scope of this discussion. I asked a question in a previous discussion on this site regarding the exact type of smart meters proposed for Tasmania. Nobody answered that question, and due to the above comments it seems that still nobody is aware of the specific make and model intended for use in Tasmania.

    As an aside, I suspect whatever smart meters are chosen will use wifi to street-based access points, or to the customer’s existing internet connection, to send data back to base. A few packets every now and then would be negligible.

    The other issue I have, and I think I’ve mentioned something similar in a previous discussion, is the lack of reputable sources for claims. For example, Dr Lozo in #38 states “Engineers have already said that” then provides a quote.

    Digging a little deeper, it appears the quote originates from a single letter by a single engineer Rob States ( https://eon3emfblog.net/?p=1800 ) who is on somewhat of a crusade against smart meters. This quote is used often on blogs, single issue sites and other random ones including cannabis related, and of course a plethora of anti-smart meter hobby sites.

    My point being, when information or quotes are used to back up an argument, it would be helpful to know the source. The reader can then be the judge of whether they constitute “proof” or not.

  22. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 18, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    #38 … Engineers have already said that:

    “Extensive measurements have demonstrated that all of the meters measured so far, including ABB, GE, and Landis Gyr, emit noise on the customer’s electric wiring in the form of high frequency voltage spikes, typically with an amplitude of 2 volts, but a frequency anywhere from 4,000 Hertz, up to 60,000 Hz. The actual frequency of the phenomena is influenced by the devices that are plugged into the customer’s power. Some houses are much worse than others, and this observation has been confirmed by PG&E installers that have talked to us.”

    The above was also confirmed in that video. What more proof do you need? Why don’t you watch the whole video and see the results and try to unerststand what they were trying to emphasise via those measurements? It takes less time to watch the whole video than it does for you to type replies to me.

    By the way: what made you think that some smartmeters “utilise mains wiring as the data carrier”?

  23. Peter Bright

    July 18, 2018 at 2:15 pm

    Peter, I think it likely that if an SMPS of any size emits any electronic or magnetic splatter into the domestic environment then the design engineer or the manufacturer has defaulted.

    But “any” is an idealised target. In practice it means at a level exceeding the relevant national standard.

    Switched Mode Power Supplies are everywhere nowadays. Why?

    It’s because they can efficiently convert their input voltage into others which a product must have in order to operate properly and reliably, while in many cases providing vital electrical isolation so the consumer is not electrocuted.

    Example: A common low power device provides a 5.0 Volt regulated output at its USB socket from its internal rechargeable lithium cell.

    A lithium cell has a nominal working voltage of 3.7 but this varies according to its state of charge, its temperature, its age and its loading. These are variables, but the demand is for a 5.0 Volt stable USB source, no matter what.

    The device’s internal SMPS provides the lot and does it well, but in doing so it introduces power conversion losses of around 10%.

    These losses are magnetic and electrical, and some can escape the product if shielding is insufficient.

    Switch Mode Power Supplies commonly operate at frequencies of 20 kHZ to 500 kHz. The higher the operating frequency the smaller the inductor storing and discharging the magnetic energy at that frequency may be.

    An unshielded SMPS will emit electromagnetic radiation at its fundamental operating frequency, and at integral multiples of the fundamental but at lesser energies. These are called harmonics, and none are wanted. An SMPS operating at 420 kHz can emit its third harmonic (1,260 kHz) into your nearby AM radio’s broadcast band. This is heard as Noise – the worldwide bugbear of the electronics industry.

    The above explanations list the basics of Switch Mode Power Supplies.

    The details of what happens in Smartmeters are unknown to me.

    An engineer’s input would be welcome.

  24. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 18, 2018 at 10:47 am

    #36 … Peter, I am not aware of any smart meters that “utilise mains wiring as the data carrier.”

    As far as I am aware, all smart meters transmit data to power utilities via wireless microwave transmission. The same applies to the smart meter that was used in that Youtube video experiment. What you don’t appear to appreciate is that the SMPS is in every smart meter and that the SMPS in the smart meter will continuously induce high frequency voltage spikes onto the house mains 240 V power supply even if the smart meter doesn’t transmit any data all.

  25. Peter Bright

    July 17, 2018 at 9:34 pm

    Peter, I have no interest in those Smartmeters which utilise mains wiring as the data carrier.

    I do understand that this technique would be very convenient for the power utility, because wiring between it and the homeowner is already in place.

    I’d need a new radio Smartmeter to evaluate with my basic instrumentation, and detailed technical information, and a User Manual, before I could comment further.

  26. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 17, 2018 at 8:31 pm

    # 34, Peter … What is shown on the oscilloscope isn’t the information that is being sent to the power utility! What is displayed on the oscilloscope (after the smart meter is plugged in) is the mains supply that comes out of the smart meter and which would then go into the house wiring. As you can see, the smart meter adds high frequency spikes on top of the 60 Hz mains supply. It is that high frequency spiking (of several tens of kilohertz) that is of concern because it is there all the time (24 hrs/day) but increases in magnitude when the smart meter is transmitting. Those spikes travel throughout the whole wiring system of the house and will generate an EM field.

    A person sleeping close to the smart meter will be exposed to approx 7 hours/day of such a field.

  27. Peter Bright

    July 17, 2018 at 7:43 pm

    It was too boring watching the whole YouTube video link you provided at #33 Peter (thankyou for that) however from what I saw on the oscilloscope there I formed the impression that data can be sent to the power utility by imposing information signals on the mains power line itself.

    Oh dear. Wrong way. Go back. Buggering about with the mains power is something that should not be done. It will require real power because of that desirable zero source impedance in the power lines that I mentioned earlier. This brutal method would work because, in practice, the source impedance of mains power lines is not zero ohms.

    Until now I was of the view that data left the Smartmeter by radio through the universal method of imposing various signal frequencies on a carrier frequency, which is how our Amplitude Modulation (AM) and Frequency Modulation (FM) signals are sent to our domestic equipment from transmitting towers.

    I believe the radio method uses just one watt of Radio Frequency (RF) carrier, or thereabouts. This contrasts with the 100,000 watts from some TV transmission towers.

    So it seems to me now that there are at least two basic data transmission methods that have been used by the utility companies.

    Another possible method that now comes to mind is optical, for example a low-power laser beam in line of sight from home to nearby street power pole, but light cannot travel around corners whereas radio signals can.

    In summary, and to play it safe, I’d insist on a contamination-free method of Smartmeter data transmission, and so I favour the low-power 1 watt radio signal method from a well designed transmitter.

    Today’s splendid technology can easily do this, and very reliably.

  28. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 17, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    #31 … Have you watched the experiment on this video https://youtu.be/4NTSejgsjTc?

    Can you see what comes out of the smart meter (as displayed on the oscilloscope) compared to what comes out of the analog meter? If that can be filtered then most of the problem would be solved.

  29. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 17, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    #31 … Unlike Peter Bright, I strongly urge people to be very cautious. Perhaps TT can organise an electrical engineer to do some experiments of the type shown in the Youtube video to which I linked at #29. I would be happy to contribute $200 towards the cost. The problem is the high frequency transient spikes that are imposed on the mains supply 24 hours a day even when the smart meter isn’t transmitting. This is a more serious problem than having to pay for corporate data collection device.

    I am not sure why Mick Kenny is more worried about consumers paying for corporate data collection device than about the effect of such devices on people’s physical and mental health.

    Here are links to two two videos showing the effect of smart meters on the electrical activity of a human heart.

    Watch “EKG Proof That “Smart” Meters Affect the Human Heart” on YouTube

    Watch “EKG Proof That “Smart” Meters Affect the Human Heart, Part II” on YouTube

  30. Peter Bright

    July 17, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    Perfection in the design and construction of a Switched Mode Power Supply will ensure that [i]no[/i] electromagnetic radiation is emitted from its container, and that [i]no[/i] electric interference is imposed on the mains power line.

    The first can be secured by adequate magnetic and electronic shielding, and the second can be achieved by adequate filtering.

    But perfection costs.

    In a capitalist marketplace, and because of competition, the manufacturer’s aim is to make his device at minimal cost, but in doing so he will take short cuts.

    A suitable authority can set minimal standards, but perfection is elusive.

    I am puzzled at the many references to Smartmeters imposing interference on the power line. Ideally, a power line has zero source impedance, and a zero source impedance cannot be imposed upon.

    I’m also puzzled about allegations of Smartmeter emissions because we are speaking of a [i]very low[/i] power device whose transmitted radio signal is in the region of merely 1 watt.

    I believe that mobile phone emissions are higher than that, and that to conserve energy their strength is automatically adjusted to all that is needed for the signal to reach the nearest tower.

    For now, I don’t believe that the public should seriously fear anything.

  31. Mick Kenny

    July 17, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    Power companies are asking consumers to pay for a device, through regular charges, that allows said companies to refine their charging and consumption patterns at no benefit to the consumer. Just possibly, consumption patterns could one day be used for a smart network with diverse storage and generation infrastructure, but this is in an altruistic and rational future where profits are secondary to common sense, network resilience, adaptability and environmental considerations.

    Concern about emissions is obscuring the basic problem of consumers paying for corporate data collection devices, data that enhances corporate profitability at consumer expense.

  32. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 17, 2018 at 11:18 am

    My Scott (retired electronics technician) said:

    “Most SMPS reside in a shielded metal box so any leakage RF is contained as it would be in a Faraday shield cage. So stop taking the words of an inexperienced so called engineer as they know diddly squat about the real world of electronics.”

    An engineer said (with respect to SMPS in smart meters):
    “Extensive measurements have demonstrated that all of the meters measured so far, including ABB, GE, and Landis Gyr, emit noise on the customer’s electric wiring in the form of high frequency voltage spikes, typically with an amplitude of 2 volts, but a frequency anywhere from 4,000 Hertz, up to 60,000 Hz. The actual frequency of the phenomena is influenced by the devices that are plugged into the customer’s power. Some houses are much worse than others, and this observation has been confirmed by PG&E installers that have talked to us.”

    I (being a physicist) don’t think that Mr Scott was correct. I would say that the retired electronics technician doesn’t know what is going on. Check this YouTube video at time period 4:00 – 6:00 minutes “Nerve Disrupting Frequencies Radiating from “Smart” Meters” https://youtu.be/4NTSejgsjTc

    It is seen that even when the smart meter isn’t transmitting there is noise on the wiring to the house that is significantly larger than when the smart meter isn’t plugged in. This is due to the SMPS. The noise then increases during the period of transmission.

    Also, studies seem to indicate that biological systems are more susceptible to frequencies of around 10 KHz.

    See this very interesting talk by a scientist on a plausible biophysical mechanism by which EM fields can interfere with cellular dynamics.

    Watch “Dr. Martin Pall, Ph.D.: Electromagnetic Field Exposure – The Cellular Effect on Humans” on YouTube https://youtu.be/w8ATQF8omdI

  33. Simon Warriner

    July 16, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    Re #28 … Reading the full thread suggests a few possibilities, none of them conclusive.

    It does sound like the fan has wear between the bearing and housing which allows it to move randomly when it gets the urge, though.

    Emf from the controllers is a possibility I had not considered as I was focused on the potential of the winding/magnetic circuit interactions to produce frequencies other than the mains Hertz, and at significant power levels.

  34. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 16, 2018 at 3:07 am

    #27 … I typed ‘wobbling ceiling fan emf’ into Google and came up with this post:

    “I found that a ceiling fan of mine which goes off balance sometimes when on Medium/High speeds kept causing my laptop in the room (3.5 metres away, approx 2 m horizontal, 2.5 vertical) to BSOD (crash) when the fan was off-balance at random intervals.” 


    Does the above example suggest anything useful to you?

  35. Simon Warriner

    July 15, 2018 at 1:23 pm

    Re #23 … The out-of-balance scenario with the hypothetical impact on the supply network locally is unlikely without the bearings being so knackered that Ted would have been unable to sleep for the noise, if indeed the motor was able to run at all.

    The mechanism exists, but a motor of that size and winding arrangement with that type of mounting structure would most likely be incapable of producing enough untoward back emf to have any significant result on the supply frequencies unless the rotor was almost poling. In my experience they trip fuses long before that point, or they need push starting.

    Far more probable vectors for poor Ted’s headache are, from my experience of working in the tropics … heat stress, dehydration, over-tiredness and random ailments from unfamiliar viruses and bacteria.

    I’m not saying we should not be concerned about the electromagnetic pollution of our homes, workplaces and the commons, but realism is required, informed by real knowledge. Measuring, analysing, and correcting disturbances to electrical systems caused by malfunctioning electric motors used to be part of my job description.

  36. Peter Bright

    July 15, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    At #25 Pete Godfrey says [i]”I would have thought that the steel box that makes up the meter box would attenuate the signal effectively, but maybe it doesn’t. “[/i]

    At https://stopsmartmeters.com.au/2018/04/21/new-critical-problem-with-smart-meters-the-switching-mode-power-supply-smps/ we can see that some irrational fears permeating this thread can be exploited. For example there’s Smartmeter shielding paint at $133.50 per litre, and shielding fabric for $155. In the Comments section we have Mr Scott’s very sensible views …

    Robert Scott says:
    April 22, 2018 at 11:37 am

    [i]”Just about every piece of electronic equipment used in your homes now days uses a SMPS, very few use a conventional power transformer. For instance all televisions and have done for the last at least 20 years, computers all use a SMPS and have done since their inception. By replacing the heavy and expensive power transformer, appliances with SMPS the instrument or electronics equipment can become cheaper because the low frequency transformer has to be wound on iron laminations and can be labour intensive. Most SMPS reside in a shielded metal box so any leakage RF is contained as it would be in a Faraday shield cage.
    “So stop taking the words of an inexperienced so called engineer as they know diddly squat about the real world of electronics. Only in some sensitive instruments like sensitive radio receivers are power transformers still used. The RF radiation (not micro wave radiation) would not extend much beyond the equipment itself.”[/i]

    — Rob Scott (Retired RAAF electronics technician, with over 40 years in the trade)

  37. Pete Godfrey

    July 15, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    I am in the fortunate position of supplying my own power. All my lighting is 12 volt DC. I only use an inverter to power 240 volt stuff when it is required. I have taken to my old power poles with a chainsaw and they are not gate posts.

    I read a long time ago in an Electronics Australia article that technicians were convinced that mobile phone use was dangerous to our health. I also read articles from brain surgeons who claimed that they took many tumours out of those people’s brains who were heavy phone users.

    There was once a product that was available that was a mobile phone case with a thin lead shield on the side that people held to their heads. The idea was that is would stop radiation from being propagated in the direction of the brain.

    Maybe Peter Bright knows more, is it possible that people could have a thin lead shield fitted inside their meter boxes to prevent any radiation that they feel would be affecting them.

    I would have thought that the steel box that makes up the meter box would attenuate the signal effectively, but maybe it doesn’t. It would be good to see some testing on shielding for this perceived problem.

  38. Peter Bright

    July 15, 2018 at 11:37 am

    The now ubiquitous switching mode power supply (SMPS) for today’s electronic equipment operates at frequencies more than one thousand times that of our domestic power distribution system’s sinusoidal alternating current of 50 Hertz.

    That high mains voltage would instantly blow up the low voltage transistorised circuitry that’s everywhere nowadays.

    The equipment design engineer’s first task is to convert incoming AC mains power into the low voltage DC levels required by transistorised devices such as computers and Smartmeters, while ensuring [i]perfect[/i] electrical isolation between the two levels. This is because being cooked alive by electrocution is generally considered detrimental to human health. It can also be unpleasant.

    Transistors are universal low voltage semiconductor devices usually operating below 50 Volts DC, a voltage level that’s deemed safe for us, too. These marvelous devices can indicate unhappiness with over-voltages and currents by quietly smoking, or fuming, or sizzling, or stinking, or melting, or any combination of these protests .. or by simply just exploding.

    In earlier times the voltage conversion process took place at mains frequency using copper windings on iron-cored transformers. The iron was comparatively heavy and bulky for the job it did.

    Much smaller isolating transformers can be made by upping the operating frequency and using ferrite cores instead of iron laminations. Power transistors are used as high frequency electronic switches to turn the high DC voltages from the rectified mains AC into the DC voltage levels required by equipment such as Smartmeters and computers.

    When any electric current is switched on and off it generates electromagnetic radiation.

    Smartmeters not doing this would use linear voltage regulation instead. This is not as efficient as SMPS are … but there’s no electromagnetic radiation either.

  39. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 15, 2018 at 9:35 am

    Further my #20 … It is also possible that because the fan was rotating out of balance it could have caused power surges which then travelled trough the building’s wiring and induced electromagnetic radiation. Thus, one cannot totally discount this as being a contributing factor to Ted’s illness, had he been sleeping very close to electrical wiring.

  40. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 15, 2018 at 9:16 am

    #16 … What you say sounds quite right. However, the health risk seems to be mainly due to high frequency spikes that is caused by switching mode power supplies in smartmeters. This high frequency noise of several kilohertz (otherwise known as ‘dirty electricity’) will travel along the wiring of a house and will induce electromagnetic radiation. Best to sleep away from power points and electrical wiring.

    See: https://stopsmartmeters.com.au/2018/04/21/new-critical-problem-with-smart-meters-the-switching-mode-power-supply-smps/

    Also see this about dirty electricity: https://greenwavefilters.com/dirty-electricity/

  41. Ian M

    July 15, 2018 at 4:05 am

    Ted, I could guess up a storm as to the cause of the perceived effects, but that wouldn’t be any more scientific than your anecdotes.

    But here’s an example: off kilter fans can emit a certain rhythm that make me feel dizzy after a few minutes.

    You’ve asserted a few things. Surely it’s up to you to back them up.

  42. Dr Peter Lozo

    July 15, 2018 at 3:13 am

    #13 … “I recall staying in a holiday unit one night in the tropics. It had an old ceiling fan that groaned and rotated out of balance. As a result I woke up feeling nauseous like I had been out on the booze or a rough sea all night. I have no doubt that fan was emitting a very unfavourable magnetic field, which made me feel quite ill.”

    I suggest that this has more to do with a combination of:

    (i) air breeze causing dehydration; and

    (ii) your eyes being subjected to vibrations despite being protected by eyelids, rather than the electromagnetic radiation.

  43. Ted Mead

    July 15, 2018 at 2:08 am

    #16 … Yes Peter, according to your analysis I must have slept with my eyes open watching that dreaded fan revolve all night.

    On the few occasion where I have felt motion sickness it seemed a similar experience.

    But then again it could have been in the local water, which I don’t think I drank! LOL

  44. Ted Mead

    July 15, 2018 at 1:31 am

    Ian, I am loss at your premise here. Please elaborate with some content.

    I just have provided some events with perceived claims of the effect of electricity and radiation on people.

    You may have a better explanation for these events.

    Certainly If I was one of those people who claim to have been affected by RF radiation I would like to know the cause of my ailment so I could rectify my health problem.

  45. Ian M

    July 15, 2018 at 12:32 am

    #7, Ted …

    My money is on…


    I have no doubt…

    That person now suffers from serious chronic fatigue syndrome, and is convinced …

    I think …

    I’m sure you mean well, but I’m not convinced. These aren’t even anecdotal accounts of perceived fact, much less evidence. They are an individual’s interpretations. The trouble with confirmation bias is people confuse correlation with causation.

    Next time you get sick, look up the symptoms on Dr Google. I’ve done it and I (should) know better.

  46. Peter Bright

    July 15, 2018 at 12:32 am

    Smart meters, according to the data presented at #5, are actively transmitting for only 1.4 seconds per day. That’s only one part in 61,710 or 0.00162 per cent of the time. In duration terms that’s really small, Ted. Transmissions may however, take place several times a day when triggered by the power supply utility wanting your power usage statistics more often. The overall idea is extremely sensible. It means no more meter readers at your premises!

    But signal duration is just part of the matter. We have to consider the power level of the source and the distance between transmitter and flesh as well. These factors, when processed, yield the amount of energy received.

    I assume the equation is E = k.P.t/d^2 where E is the Energy in Joules, k is a constant dependent upon circumstances, P is the transmission power in watts, and d is the separation distance in metres.

    It’s that d^2 (d squared) in the denominator that works in our favour. For example if the source radiation level at 1 metre is 1 watt, it will be merely 0.01 watts (10 milliwatts) at 10 metres.

    Here’s an extract from the Web:

    [i]”When a smart meter contains an RF transmitter the frequency of operation is typically in the 902 MHz and 2.4 GHz bands. Power output is typically 1 watt in the 902 MHz band and much less in the 2.4 GHz band. The intended range of a transmitter in a smart meter is typically very localised.”[/i]

    I’m confident that the transmitter is carefully designed and constructed to emit a tiny packet of electromagnetic radiation at a particular frequency for a very small amount of time, and the receiver up a nearby pole is designed to accept whatever strength of signal arrives at its antenna and then multiply its amplitude, perhaps within an AGC network (Automatic Gain Control) as much as is needed to reliably recover the data in the transmitted packet of harmless radiation.

    Qualified electronic circuit design engineers know what they are doing. Product testing proves them correct, and today’s printed circuit boards and their mounted components have very high reliability.

    Ted, that tropical fan motor you mentioned was designed to maximise the magnetic field [i]within itself[/i] with hardly any of it escaping.

    It’s clear to me that nothing magnetic made you ill. It should be obvious that anyone lying under a gyrating set of fan blades, while watching its annoyingly wonky and probably noisy behaviour, is going to be adversely affected by the [i]optics[/i] of the situation, and not by any magnetic effects at all.

  47. Ian M

    July 15, 2018 at 12:18 am

    Is it that time of year again? Nobody on Tinfoilhat Times has bothered responding to my previous comments and questions so I’ll post some links here:



  48. Ted Mead

    July 14, 2018 at 9:10 pm

    #8 … Peter, I did read through your comments #5, and my response at #7 was regarding high micro-wave transmission in general.

    I would agree that if the RF microwave output of smart metres is only at such small levels then it is most likely that this output is not responsible for the ailments claimed by some in the link that Don provided in this article.

    There must be then, other influential factors.

    As you know electrical current transmission creates magnetic fields, and the intensity of those fields depends on many factors.

    I recall staying in a holiday unit one night in the tropics. It had an old ceiling fan that groaned and rotated out of balance. As a result I woke up feeling nauseous like I had been out on the booze or a rough sea all night. I have no doubt that fan was emitting a very unfavourable magnetic field, which made me feel quite ill.

    I’m sure some people are more sensitive to magnetic fields or RF transmission than others.

    I know of a case where someone used to sleep outside on the verandah when they were young with their head not far from the meter box. That person now suffers from serious chronic fatigue syndrome, and is convinced that the emissions of some form from that meter box is the cause of the ailment that plagues him in his mid-life now.

    Our modern lives are constantly bombarded by a plethora of RF and magnetic fields everywhere across the globe, and more so in an urban environment. I think the effects upon humans varies dramatically between individuals.

  49. mike

    July 14, 2018 at 8:41 pm

    Peter .. do I trust technologists, technicians, scientists and engineers when it comes to health issues?

    Well, no I don’t!

    I personally own a Chemistry book aimed at high school students which recommends the use of asbestos mats for use in student experiments. Written by experts and approved by experts well after the dangers of asbestos were known.

    If a technologist is doing job to earn money, they are doing their job to earn money, and integrity has nothing to do with.

    Some may have integrity, just like sometimes a prostitute can fall in love with a client, but most of the time they just do it for a living.

    If an expert is willing to put their personal assets into escrow to cover legal and medical problems in the future should they arise, I might be more inclined to believe them, otherwise it is a no risk proposition for them.

  50. TGC

    July 14, 2018 at 7:49 pm

    #9 … in other words – a bit of alarmism might not do any harm I

  51. Geoff Holloway

    July 14, 2018 at 7:47 pm

    From the recently released ACCC Report on Retail Electricity Prices:

    Tasmanian residential users pay at least 15% more for their electricity than anywhere else in Australia, and has had the highest increases in residential bills over past ten years. This is largely due to significant over-investment (up to 72%) in state-owned networks – the highest over-investment in Australia. Tasmanians pay the highest residential prices despite having lowest increases in wholesale prices.
    The big jump in cost increases in Tasmania occurred after 1 July 2014 when 2 GBEs, Aurora Energy’s distribution network (the poles and wires) merged with Transend Networks (the big towers and lines) – yet another example of the failure of the Government Business Enterprise (GBE) model! The whole concept of GBEs has been a disaster!
    Smart meter use in Tasmania is 5%.

  52. Ted Mead

    July 14, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    #6 … I didn’t claim I have statistics regarding deaths from smart meters, nor did I claim any deaths were contributed from such.

    I only reflected on the data forward here regarding negative health impacts.

    As usual, your comments have no foundation!

  53. Peter Bright

    July 14, 2018 at 3:56 pm

    Ted, at #7 you ask who do I believe.

    With a lifetime in the electronics industry starting in boyhood with a crystal set and headphones, then later working overseas with a Diploma in Physics designing and constructing audio amplifiers, regulated power supplies, smart battery chargers and eventually reliable electronic field instrumentation for scientific research, I can declare that I believe the technologists, those technicians, scientists and engineers of worth, integrity and capability, and their measurement instrumentation.

    I suggest that you really try harder to comprehend the contents of the quote in my initial response at #5 which reveal that the power levels and transmission duration of smart meters are utterly insignificant compared to those blasting one side of your head with electromagnetic radiation from your mobile phone with such power and duration that these devices get hot.

  54. Ted Mead

    July 14, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    #5, Peter, who do you believe if there is a conflict of evidence or anecdotal accounts?

    My money is on RF microwave transmission at high levels is not good for health in general.

  55. TGC

    July 14, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    TM may have statistics showing how many deaths are incontrovertably caused by smart meters.
    If only one person nation-wide is saved from smart meter death then stopping their installation is worthwhile?

  56. Peter Bright

    July 14, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    Ted, you are in panic mode without cause.

    If you go here: http://theconversation.com/smart-meters-are-about-as-dangerous-as-9413

    ..you’ll find this:

    [i][b]”Facts, please[/b]

    “What are the health risks? As mentioned above, smart meters worldwide use conventional cell phone networks to transmit their data. In the largest study conducted so far, researchers in Denmark found no increased risk of brain tumours from long-term usage of cell phones.

    “But even if some minute health risk is ultimately found for heavy cell phone usage, microwave exposure from smart meters is only a microscopic fraction.

    “Smart meters only transmit data for roughly 1.4 seconds per day, at very low wattage. According to B.C. Hydro in Canada: “Exposure to radio frequency during a 20-year life span of a smart meter is equivalent to the exposure during a single 30-minute cell phone call.”

    “Even this reckoning is exceedingly generous, since the typical cell phone is held to the ear, whereas smart meters are typically many feet away from humans, and thus microwave exposure is tens of thousands of times lower.”[/i]

  57. Ted Mead

    July 14, 2018 at 1:46 pm

    #2, Michael … After looking at that summary regarding smart meter issues, one wonders how any energy supplier could proceed to install these things knowing that the evidence is out there to sue against side effects or health complications.

    I hope Don forwards this info on to the people he knows who have been effected by smart meter RF radiation.

  58. Ted Mead

    July 13, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    Don, anywhere there is RF to high levels I imagine is not good for one’s health, and the examples you have posted here are a typical example of such effects.

    What I have read about smart meters in use on the mainland is that they are smart for the energy suppliers as there have been copious complaints about the increase in domestic pricing. Perhaps that is because of the time of day the energy is being used there.

    Both these points are all the more reason to go off grid!

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