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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche


‘Archbishop Philip Wilson to lodge appeal against conviction’

Adelaide Archbishop Philip Wilson says he will lodge an appeal against his conviction for concealing child sexual abuse and won’t immediately resign.

In May, the 67-year-old was found guilty of concealing the sexual abuse of children between 2004 and 2006 at the hands of paedophile priest Jim Fletcher in the 1970s.

On Tuesday, he was sentenced to 12 months’ detention.

In a statement Wilson said he would not be quitting his post, despite the growing calls.

“I intend to lodge an appeal against my conviction to the District Court of New South Wales,” he said.

“I am conscious of calls for me to resign and have taken them very seriously.

“However, at this time, I am entitled to exercise my legal rights and to follow the due process of law.

He said if it was unsuccessful, he would offer his resignation …

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  1. William Boeder

    July 15, 2018 at 1:37 am

    #24 and #25 … A question for you Mr Bert Wells:
    Would you care to send off copies of your comments published on Tasmanian Times regarding this article to Senator Eric Abetz? If so this will be deemed to be the action of a true Australian Statesman.

    It is extremely detrimental to the Australian people to have such a person as a quasi-religious zealot-like proponent of all manner of voodoo-like abstractive symbols of false worship, holding a public office, made even more intolerable in having a personal history of not providing an iota of benefit or solace toward any and all humankind.

  2. Lynne Newington

    July 14, 2018 at 5:29 pm

    Doing a little cross referencing I find it equally bizarre to read BrokenRites article ..http://www.brokenrites.org.au/drupal/node/404
    The same minister provincial mentioned was also a member of the Supervisory Group of the Truth Justice and Healing Committee giving the impression the Order above reproach the relevant abuse cases far preceding the more recent Pagsanjan Falls mentioned in the book Unholy Silence……..

  3. Bert Wells

    July 14, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    In response to Simon Warriner … the way to ‘fix’ this going forward would be for the Catholic (or any) Christian church – or any religious institution for that matter – to lose its tax exemptions and GST exempt economic status. Additionally, Catholic church and religious organisations and entities, to be excluded from being providers of government funded programs – be they education, social welfare, social justice, community development, after school care etc. etc.

    Furthermore, the Catholic Church and its ministers and employees to be barred from being on government funded institutions and boards/ committees/ policy steering groups, reference groups and excluded from the political process. Finally, Church/ religious groups to be subject to all Australian laws, without excuse or exemption.

    With these measures enacted, the Catholic church would have to stand on its jelly like shaky religious and spiritual foundations, dependent on non-tax deductible donations and bequests, and fee-for ‘service’ religious services.

    All church institutions of any description to be financially audited and held accountable and criminally liable for fraud. This would be a starting point to changing the church into a benign organisation that has no power that does not deny the individual freedoms of those who wish to adhere to a religious practice to get a first class ticket to a Catholic afterlife ..

  4. Bert Wells

    July 14, 2018 at 4:02 pm

    Christian churches have, and continue to exercise economic and political power in countries like Australia, and they are shitting themselves because they have not only lost relevance in the community, they are being pilloried in public conversation for the cruel, inhuman practitioners and condoners and perpetrators of child sexual abuse that was committed by clergy, with the knowledge of church hierarchy, for decades.

    There is no excuse for the church’s abuse of power that results in decades of child sexual abuse, the abuse of women, and the silence of those in power. Christopher Eastman-Nagle, you can try and blame some intangible, malleable, unaccountable third party socio-political constructs, but I’m afraid, it’s not good enough and will not do.

    We already see donations to church groups have dropped by the millions of dollars in this country. The CRIMINAL conviction of church hierarchy, who still cling to their positions of power with nails dug in deep. Phillip Wilson deserves to be dragged kicking and screaming, re robed and devoid of any symbol or semblance of “holiness” (the word makes me gag!) to spend time in the general prison population for a custodial sentence.

    The Anglican church has said it’s going to sell up historical, community owned buildings and cemeteries, and designate a quarter of the funds to the victims of it’s paedophile priests. The other 3/4 of money raised will go to church coffers to try and maintain and preserve the insidious institutions that are at the root of the criminal behaviour reported in the royal commission. The church has certainly been off its pedestal in the mainstream community as an authoritative voice of morality and of social justice in the community. This is a good outcome for humanity.

  5. Lynne Newington

    July 14, 2018 at 2:24 pm

    I shudder at the word “libertarian humanists” etc etc in connection with the churches, regardless of what era the ’70s singled out. They’re pretty brazen in my opinion.

    No longer with us was a priest who became a persona non gratia because he called out the hypocrisy of clergy in relationships with women (including religious) by marrying whilst still ordained. His experience on a diocesan retreat engaged with a group of priests including at “fat belly laughing Franciscan” .. a constant visitor with photographs passed around with young boys hanging around their necks taken at Pagsanjan Falls, a well known hang out for paedophiles.

    To me it was certainly scraping the bottom of bucket when members of the Franciscan Order stooped to such depths. I wonder how many there are whose ministry is dealing with youth within our communities?
    No-one has ever been brought to account for their choice of recreation here, or overseas paid for by the unsuspecting faithful .. or the taxpayer.

    Unholy Silence – pages 126-127.

  6. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    July 14, 2018 at 2:33 am

    Well, Simon is right in the sense that the Vatican has been around for a long time and has had, as one might expect, a very varied history .. as human institutions are wont to do.

    The point that I am making is that that good and bad governance take turns. Sometimes the goodies are winning and sometimes they aren’t.

    There is, even in the best of times, a baseline of malfeasance because evil is always there. But in the good times it is in retreat and has to take cover, living mostly in the outer recesses of the collective and personal consciousness. And when this happy situation is reversed, evil ways and practices become the norm as it becomes the turn of virtue to go and hide, and hopefully await better times.

    We are living such times as a result of systematic deregulation of the social system in favour of private interests and individuals at the expense of the commons and notions of collective interest and will embodied in social authority that was replaced by marketing and sales.

    We were sold all the upsides on this, and just didn’t register at all what this kind of ‘liberation’ might mean for negative outcomes in the longer term, and the loss of sexual boundaries and rules-based and enforced social behaviour has meant a lot of rats have come out of the basement to infest what is left of our social infrastructure.

    What has happened to the church is just the tip of the iceberg. Its failures were exactly the same as the failures across all social institutions which we know about, and have the capacity to investigate at an institutional level.

    But we are now getting information about the state of the non-institutional mores and malpractice coming through as a result of inquiries set up to investigate the sexual culture inside Aboriginal communities (The 2007 Northern Territory ‘Little Children Are Sacred’ report) and also the 2016 Nyland Royal Commission in South Australia into the social welfare system. The first report was so alarming it triggered a military intervention. The second one was so awful the then premier refused to believe it, and thought its terrible conclusions were a result of ‘over-reporting’.

    My beef is that it just isn’t ‘convenient’ for libertarian humanists to own up to just how bad things are under their ideological stewardship because then they would have to accept that their libertarian regime is not benign, and that it is the one that should be getting the main flak and demands for reform, not the churches .. who are as much their victims as Aboriginal children have been since libertarian bureaucrats took over the their social administration in the early ’70s.

  7. Lynne Newington

    July 14, 2018 at 2:12 am

    No country in the world is exempt it’s not just “our society’s problem” as we’re just the tip of a mighty big iceberg.

    NCR. Honolulu dumping ground for abusive priests.

    ABC. Worst Catholic sex abuse in developing world

    Priests Possess Enormous Authority … Spiegel International world-sins -of -the-flesh abuse-allegations in Africa with victims claiming priests gave them money for “sexual favours”.. at gun point!

    So who’s going to benefit by shutting up? Only those with skeletons in their own closet, in my opinion.

  8. spikey

    July 14, 2018 at 12:46 am

    With all due respect to Christopher …

    ‘It was a quite brutal process of pulling the rug out from under what had been successful educational institutions that kept adolescents out of sexual reach of one other until they were mature enough to understand the broader ramifications of gender partnership, and capable of making larger commitments than purely genital ones.’

    A bloke who reckons non narrow sexual conformist conduct such as same sex marriage will be the downfall of society should think a bit more about his own delusions before judging upcoming discussions about a better future for all humanity: http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php?/article/8th-Hobart-Oration-Justice-for-the-Next-Generation-Julian-Burnside-and-B/

    Care for a debate Nagle? I’m no blind-sided Burnside fan but I’m certainly less of a fan of your projections. Online, on air, live, whatever.

  9. Lynne Newington

    July 14, 2018 at 12:35 am

    That’s the $50 million dollar question and many Catholics believe once it all quietens down it will be back to business as usual .. as it has down through history, especially with the likes of Mark Coleridge, another archbishop whose loyalty is to not to God and not the church .. but the pope.

  10. Simon Warriner

    July 14, 2018 at 12:08 am

    At the risk of a literary head kicking, I think Bert has a point. The Vatican has, from my reading many years ago, one of the most complete collections of pornography, with much of it dated from centuries ago.

    That said, the sexual abuse of children is hardly a binary issue around dates. It has been around for a very long time, and it will continue to be with us for long into the future. It is a dark part of human nature, like psychopathy and narcissism. How society handles it is the issue. That, and how we handle the forces that enable and encourage it, such as the rampant and entirely unprincipled sexualisation of prepubescent kids by the advertising industry, and those they work for.

    I know I carry on about leadership, but the lack of sound national leadership, and the acceptance of leadership by those who clearly do not understand the dangers of conflicted interest, is what got us to this point.

    The problem is ours as a society to fix, and I think the discussion would be more useful if it focused more on solutions offered, and less on descriptions of the problems and their sources. We know what the problems are, so how do we fix them?

  11. Lynne Newington

    July 13, 2018 at 11:38 pm

    With all due respect to Christopher his recent article .. http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php?/article/edgeborough-revisited-end-of-innocence/ and the preservation of not being singled out …

  12. Bert Wells

    July 13, 2018 at 9:54 pm

    Christopher Eastman-Nagle … I think it’s very euphemistic of you to describe child rape by paedophile sexual predators of children, aka catholic priests, as just somehow a product or part of the sexual revolutions of the 60s. To say priests did not know what to do about child rape allegations is an attempt to blame ‘society’ for the child rape perpetrated by the criminal sex offenders ordained within the church. Rubbish!

    The church has held itself aloft for centuries as the only source of moral truth in the western world, and it has shown that it has fallen woefully and shamefully short of its doctrines by the child rape perpetrated by the clergy. The church sat on it hands at best, or worse, knowingly perpetuated the culture of paedophile priests and condoned child abuse by shifting known sexual predators of children in their hierarchy from parish to parish.

    This criminal sexual abuse and its cover up by the church bishops and priests is not because they didn’t know better. It happened because they knew better, and failed to protect children, and drove children knowingly into the hands of paedophiles they employed within the church.

    The Catholic church knew this, and did nothing. THAT is why they are to be condemned as the evil child rapists they are. It’s not a fault of culture. That myth is busted.

  13. Lynne Newington

    July 10, 2018 at 7:14 pm

    >>Cont. I’m not sure why NCR links to letters written by Paraclete founder Fitzgerald have been removed, but I located them on NYT of all places article denied.

    Father Fitzgerald’s Correspondence – The New York Times

  14. Lynne Newington

    July 10, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    I’m not sure what to add to this Christopher still online much to my surprise.

  15. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    July 10, 2018 at 2:00 am

    Thank you William, for that clarification.

    Part of my understanding of the impact of the very rapid deregulatory shift in the culture in favour of private interests/individuals at the expense of the commons, that was rolled out by indulgence capitalism in the late sixties, was a serendipitous happenstance when this protestant-educated young man spent around 3 months in the summer of ’67-’68 in the holiday home company of a whole street of affluent Catholic families with numerous baby boom progeny of around my age.

    It was very culturally revealing because while they had all had the standard traditional catholic upbringing, they were confronted by a smorgasbord avalanche of contraceptive pill popping non-Catholic women who one did not have to marry to ‘do it’; ie, a beach culture dripping with low hanging forbidden fruit …

    There were two effects I noticed. One was that the ‘good’ Catholic girls found themselves being frozen out of the equation, and the other was that the boys were so wracked with guilt, they would monster women by ‘doing black acts’ to them which involved gratuitous acts of what they thought was comedic humiliation.

    None of them seemed to be coping terribly well as they moved out from a counter-reformation style rules-based system into one where there weren’t any rules.

    It was a quite brutal process of pulling the rug out from under what had been successful educational institutions that kept adolescents out of sexual reach of one other until they were mature enough to understand the broader ramifications of gender partnership, and capable of making larger commitments than purely genital ones.

    Indulgence capitalism was saying individual pleasure, desire and sating it, was all that mattered. And it was, because that was the great message of disinhibition that was being pumped out by the whole ‘liberating’ economic system of consumer indulgence and a combined propaganda machinery of PR/advertising and social/market ideological libertarianism that dwarfed that of the great totalitarians of the past.

    Vatican 2, which had finished a couple of years before, had only just started to roll out the institutional retreat strategy in the face of the deregulatory flood. But by the early 70s, while these moves were in full swing, it was obvious that the Catholic system was being overwhelmed; something not lost on Pell and his errant friends.

    The church was already a dead man walking and leaving its young proteges both within the system and my catholic holiday friends completely vulnerable to and coming ready or not, to exploit any opportunity that happened to be floating by.

    This was not the church’s fault. It was the victim of one of the most successful and fastest moving ambushes ever. They didn’t stand a prayer. And when the toxic leavings of this ambush started to erupt into the organisation, like everyone else in a situation of responsible governance at the time, they were paralysed because they didn’t really understand where it was coming from, or they did .. and had equally no idea how to deal with it .. except bury their heads in the sand and vainly hope the problem would go away .. which of course it didn’t.

    And Catholicism was a particularly juicy scalp for the social libertarians because it had fought a long rearguard action against them in the hundred years before the final avalanche.

    There is a very particular malice felt towards the old church, and their enemies are not just enjoying every minute of it but getting an unctuous sense of virtuous certainty that it was the church’s authoritarian repression that caused all the problems in the first place, which is lie .. but who cares when you have got the bastards by the short and curlies .. and hanging them out to dry.

  16. William Boeder

    July 9, 2018 at 7:45 pm

    #11 … Hmm, people in leadership roles tend to exhibit their influences of authority and of their expectations upon the society of the younger age group, I particularly refer to the educating institutions of that era that fostered the theme of “all that which is spoken of by these learned tutors” has to be correct therefore they must be obeyed.

    I speak here about the Marist college tutors of that era, then the elder school chaplains that visited every state school in those former times, these were the persons that had interacted in a deeper more directive manner than most other mind influencing adult embodiments and child interactive agencies.

    Of all the avenues in those former times that were opportune to enter into the minds of children, the most dominant were by those who carried the message of hell and damnation per their religious instruction.
    In my early youth, there existed even then that “one must be wary of these messengers of the cloth” as they seemed to wield a power in their “listen carefully to all that I say.” Back then these impersonal tutors were to be regarded as being personally invasive, yet well capable of deviant deception when it came down to individual favouritism given toward certain individuals who could be easier befriended and moulded into accepting all that became these messengers of the cloth.

    Already extant in our young minds was the fear of whatever personal approaches were extended from these church-based tutors, my thoughts and possibly many young others as well, was to back off and scram off elsewhere.

    Yes, as youngsters we were able to convey to our parents those matters and events that seemed inappropriate and of a suspicious degree that was outside of normal social acceptance, but as to matters over and above and to whether or not the police were called to in to intervene. In those former times, the sheerness of a fearful embarrassing onset would often prevent parents from taking the prescribed course of action, in the fear that this action could in some peculiar form backfire upon the family.

    The factors of disinhibition, and a kind of newborn liberation for all, do not strike me as suddenly being out there and available to grasp upon as well as free for all to indulge, no I don’t agree that this happened to be.

    My reference to Alan Jones is his method of the forceful thrusting of his words and opinions, these having about them a kind of forced entry into the minds of others.

    As for me quoting his being a reference, he is not dissimilar in his way of employing the same forces held by the clergy.

  17. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    July 9, 2018 at 2:42 am

    Thank you, Lynne and William, for your inputs.

    William, I am not sure what you are saying in reference to our mutual friend Jones. Sorry.

    There was nothing ‘dysfunctional’ (except in hindsight) about the reaction to child predation as indulgence capitalism rolled out, in the sense that there just weren’t any mechanisms to deal with what was the clearly completely unprepared for downside of the sexual revolution. This break out of disinhibition parading itself as ‘liberation’ rolled out at the same time as guys like Pell and his confederates were walking onto the scene, and Vatican Two was pulling the plug on all the ‘repressive’ and ‘authoritarian’ old Church disciplines, as indulgence ideology, attitudes and behaviour overwhelmed them.

    And it wasn’t just institutions that got caught out. As family structures broke up and reformed into much less coherent ones, there were new risks emerging associated with adolescent girls and non-related male step parents. Mix that with the premature sexualisation of children, the systematic adolescentisation of the culture as responsible adult behaviour became uncool and ‘authoritarian’, the breakdown of the barriers that separated the world of children from the world of adults and the failure to properly socialise boys into men with some maturity of judgement .. and bingo .. a toxic behaviour stream that would leak everywhere.

    I personally have known several nice middle class families where immature and/or non-related males got into the daughters and caused the most terrible damage to the family and its children, leading to drugs, suicides and lifelong demoralisation.

    No one went to the police because it was just going to mean another whole layer of even more bruising hideousness in the public glare, and going through the courts. And the police enquiries would be asking the hard questions about how much people in the family knew before it all came out .. and did nothing because it was just too hard to face.

    As a school teacher in the 1970s, working in housing commission areas, I came across stories of girls whose mother was in her early thirties, the boyfriend was in his mid twenties and the girls were 13 and 15 …

    Have a read of the 2007 Northern Territory ‘The Little Children are Sacred Report’ on sexual abuse inside aboriginal communities.

    I am viscerally revolted by the sanctimonious schadenfreude being directed, particularly at the Catholic Church, because it has been as much of a victim of the sexual revolution as the poor children under its so-called care.

    They are being held responsible for the toxic effects of deregulating the social system and forcing the church to abandon its only defences against sexual malfeasance; you know, ‘repressive consciousness’, a sense of guilt and shame, constantly re-iterating the damning consequences of mortal sin and making it clear that the only way to salvation was through virtue and disciplined self control of carnal desire; you know, all that fuddy-duddy old fashioned stuff we didn’t need any more .. remember!

    Why would anyone think that getting rid of all that repressive consciousness would do anything else except trigger a free-for-all with some very nasty downsides?

    “But we were only listening out for the fun bits. Everybody swept the nasties and dysfunctionals under the carpet, didn’t we children?”

    “Yes Miss!”

    “And then we shift the blame for this onto the old institutions who were ideal bunnies to take the rap for a dysfunctional social order that has lost control of itself, because all that is left of our socialisation is temptation and giving in to it, courtesy of sales and marketing Inc and our libertarian humanist friends who have a thousand excuses for ‘poor things’ ‘who can’t help it’ because its ‘their culture’, or ‘their disadvantage’, or some such exculpatory excuse-making and no accountability bullshit; you know, indulgence ideology at work …

    These are they who have to be held to account, and when that happens, it won’t be a pleasant business .. purging them.

  18. Lynne Newington

    July 7, 2018 at 10:56 pm

    And just reflecting on that new bishop … “A new bishop admits that Broken Rites is right” in relation to the ex-detective Peter Ryan, who’s the wimp who would probably fall into the category you mentioned. [the now self satisfied smugs in these columns been in his shoes at the time, none of them would have behaved any differently]

    Don’t tell me he wouldn’t be aware of the pain caused to a small child during such a heinous act against his little body, and if appropriate or not.


  19. Lynne Newington

    July 7, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    “The archbishop is undoubtedly guilty. But I would warrant that had any of the now self satisfied smugs in these columns been in his shoes at the time, none of them would have behaved any differently, because to have done so would not have been regarded as ‘moral courage’ so much as abject folly, that would lead to a pandemic avalanche of guilt, shame, humiliation, discredit and ruinous financial loss .. all round.”

    Have to part company on that point Christopher, and this is just one example with links to others: http://www.brokenrites.org.au/drupal/node/67

    Priests have been warned they’re under investigation .. even in recent times by dyed in the wool protectors.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-02/abuse-priest-warned-of-investigation2c-inquiry-told/4794274 … and there’s more where that came from.

  20. William Boeder

    July 7, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    #7 … A well-written comment full of relevance and the thinking mechanisms of that era’s general dysfunctional reasoning and reaction.

    However, no amount of wrongs must ever constitute to become a right.

    Though this phrase will not be considered applicable by the institution of the State government and the Exclusives that dominate today in the present time, over the populous of Tasmania.

    Alleged sexual predator of younger underage persons, in the context and manner of Alan Jones of radio fame, suggest that Alan Jones would feel more comfortable if he dwelt in Tasmania.

    Currently, this same person is embroiled in an additional serious set of allegations that may be considered as a chance diversionary event by this same person’s thinking during that “former sexual predator era” as to the subject referred to in the comment by Mr. C E Nagle.


  21. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    July 7, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    It is easy to be sanctimonious in hindsight and to indulge in a little ideological schadenfreude at the expense of an old enemy of libertarian humanism.

    It is not that he isn’t guilty as charged, but so were the Soviet communist party apparatchiks who were disposed of in the show trials of the 1930s when the Stalinist regime wanted to slough off responsibility for regime ‘excesses’ by blaming them on loyal servants who had been in fact carrying out party policy to the letter at the time their undoubted crimes were being committed.

    And you will notice that no one is pointing the finger at the sexual revolution that broke out in the sixties, where we only thought about the fun bits and swept the inconvenient nasty stuff under the carpet .. because the end of ‘authoritarian’ and repressive consciousness could only have up sides …

    “Isn’t that right boys and girls?”

    “Yes Miss!”

    The facts, as I can determine them, is that no one at any social/political level in the 1960s and 70s coped in a legally responsible fashion to the blight of sexual interference with children by close, significant others.

    And there were overwhelmingly persuasive reasons for that, amongst which was the devastating collateral damage that reporting offences would potentially do to everyone, including the victims, as the hideous business got dragged through the courts and the media, and then the stigma that would forever follow the victim around in their peer groups and larger communities.

    For a distraught kid to walk into your study/office and tell you that they just been raped by a supposedly responsible person and close family, church, sports club/scouts, school, orphanage social agent, was a bit analogous to walking in with a live grenade with the pin pulled out …

    There were no protective mechanism to secure the victim or the family/institution that reported the crime(s). People who had not been brought up during a period of sexual disinhibition found it hard to even talk about sex, let alone a heinous sexual crime against a child that was so perversely at odds with the offender’s persona and authority, and the enormous trust that had been placed in them.

    There were no mechanisms in the culture to cope with such an unspeakable crime, whose implications were too terrible to think about, because that is what it then was.

    And the police were just as affected by these conundrums, which could easily mean that the reporter of the crime became the victim, and not the perpetrator. Or the wretched child might completely clam up and not co-operate in a prosecution. And you can imagine the kind of rat nest politics that would follow a failed prosecution.

    The archbishop is undoubtedly guilty. But I would warrant that had any of the now self satisfied smugs in these columns been in his shoes at the time, none of them would have behaved any differently, because to have done so would not have been regarded as ‘moral courage’ so much as abject folly, that would lead to a pandemic avalanche of guilt, shame, humiliation, discredit and ruinous financial loss .. all round.

  22. Lynne Newington

    July 7, 2018 at 4:01 pm

    Listening to His Grace, it seemed there’s no trace of corruption whatsoever within the church in his part of the world .. maybe due to the ongoing visions they are favoured with.
    If God is for us who can be against us …

  23. Bert Wells

    July 5, 2018 at 1:24 am

    The catholic Church, to put it mildly, is NOT a force for good in the world.

    Over to you, Hitch and Fry … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCH2NG9qTSw

  24. Lynne Newington

    July 4, 2018 at 9:51 pm

    I believe this decision has made Prime Minister Turnbull stop and think. Being a Catholic convert like myself, and for the right reasons, that makes it all the more appalling to me at least.

    No word from your Archbishop who is liable to the same allegiance, according to a brother bishop who remains on the church payroll, although now retired.

    The Loyalty of Bishops to the Pope: Their oath of allegiance is to the Pope .. not to God, or the Church.


  25. William Boeder

    July 4, 2018 at 9:37 pm

    #1 and #2 … The eminent Dr Buck Emberg a monument to knowledge and so great an amount of wisdom, then to the defining words of citizen Stephan, are full explanatory to the various forms of pox that can be found in sinister dark lands across the world of today.

  26. Stephan

    July 4, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    Ahhhhh. Power and glory. Bloated self interest. Hypocrisy based on an old and festering hatred. Gotta love that old style religion.

    I remain patiently waiting for a multi-headed bolt of lightning from the non-existent God these people continue to idolise.

  27. Dr Buck Emberg

    July 4, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    Goodness! I am not Catholic but for all the agony I have for the young boys and girls who have been molested by errant priests and some church members, I may as well be … because it hurts so much to think of the ‘deeds’ done by The Church in the name of goodness and care.

    And it appears that Bishop Wilson will now get away with a cushy place of incarceration for only 6 months, and only God knows how much lying and deceiving he and his priestly kind have done in the name of their Lord!!! – excuse me: Church … in the pursuit of their carnal desires or the false protection of their club.

    And next is The Cardinal! My guess is that his company/club, the church, will talk about how much good he has done (quite a bit), he is old (so am I) and should spend the rest of his days in prayer in a cloistered temple and thus escape the wrath of the laws which we mere mortals must follow.

    I must stop … my anger (god-like, I hope) continues to grow exponentially. These crimes should not have happened yet they have, and they probably continue. What will the church do in the future? My prediction based on the last 100 years is .. Not much at all!

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