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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche


NATION: Turnbull government in crisis as ministers face contempt charges

*Pic: Image from HERE


A life-threatening political and constitutional crisis is brewing for the Turnbull government this week as three Ministers of the Crown face contempt proceedings in Victoria’s Supreme Court.

No big deal; just a politically motivated, orchestrated attack on judges for being hard left activists who are soft on terror, while, off Broadway, the Coalition’s out-of-court settlement of a class action on behalf of all those it detains illegally on Manus Island blows the lid off its regime of secrecy, cruelty and denial of responsibility in a week where federal government with economic management in its DNA racks up a record debt of over half a trillion dollars.

Adding fat to the fire, Shadow Attorney General Mark Dreyfus QC calls on Malcolm Turnbull to explain why he publicly backed Health Minister Greg Hunt, Minister for Social Services, Robo-Claw and the War on the Poor, Alan Tudge and invisible assistant treasurer, Michael Sukkar.

Dreyfus demands Turnbull explain why, the day before last Friday’s court hearing, the Prime Minister “backed in his ministers’ comments, on 3AW, despite knowing this matter was before the court the following day”.

Helpfully he notes the court proceedings could have “potentially serious” results. “It is incumbent on the Prime Minister to explain why he thought it was a good idea to validate the criticisms.”

Turnbull waffles “… in a free society a person is entitled to criticise the conduct of the courts or of a judge,” but this diminishes a concerted attack by three of his cabinet ministers on judges over an appeal which was still sub judice and, therefore, prohibited from public discussion.

… “hard-left activists …

Criticising conduct might, at a stretch, include the lads’ orchestrated slagging off at judges for being “hard-left activists”, “divorced from reality,” and conducting an “ideological experiment”

It might still have to contend with the judges’ view that the comments were “unfounded, grossly improper and unfair”, but Turnbull’s gloss cannot, surely, accommodate Michael Sukkar’s slur?

“It’s the attitude of judges like these which has eroded any trust that remained in our legal system …”

It’s all part of an action packed week of diversion, denial and disinformation. Oh my, Gonski 2.0 will rip $ 4.6 billion from Catholic Schools. But, look over here. Someone’s thrown a dead moggy.

“We’ve got a judiciary that takes the side of the so-called victim rather than the side of common sense,” suppository of nonsense, Tony Abbott pipes up, helpfully, articulating the Trumpish contempt for the rule of law that features in the Coalition’s approach to government this week.

Bugger the humdrum stuff of responsible government when lads can play politics instead.

Best Crosby (dead cat on the table diversion) goes to Peter Dutton’s secret citizenship test, a solution dog-whistling a problem, which is finally revealed to include a written English language test in a nostalgic bid for the official bigotry of White Australia. Anyone can become a citizen provided he or she has a university level of written language proficiency. And if Dutton says so.

No matter that Australia has no official language. It’ll help keep the Muslims down.

He’ll get to decide who becomes a citizen …

Illiteracy and innumeracy or cultural ignorance has seldom held back any conservative politician, while proposed changes to the law will set up the former Drug Squad detective, an acclaimed model of fairness and openness, as final arbiter. He’ll get to decide who becomes a citizen and who’ll be deported. The bill gives Dutton the power to overrule decisions of the AAT.

Creating broad executive powers with minimal review undermines the rule of law, ironically, said to be one of the fundamental values which underpin Australian citizenship, writes Sangeetha Pillai, Senior Research Associate, Andrew & Renata Kaldor Centre for International Refugee Law, UNSW Law School, UNSW. Clearly, she fails to appreciate Dutton’s value to the PM.

More changes, in fact, are afoot to increase Benito Dutton’s arbitrary power by bestowing upon him a Homeland Security Department, merging several government outfits such as the AFP and ASIO in our fight against terrorism as the price of Dutto’s loyalty to Turnbull in the climate wars.

News comes this week, however, that the US style mega-department model which incorporates intelligence, police and security agencies is out of favour with the PM who now favours something akin to the bijou British Home Office, whose recent brilliant success in preventing terror, safeguarding citizens and accounting for lives lost in an entirely preventable fire in a high-rise building is matched only by its success in breaking up families in the name of immigration.

Happily, the government has far too much on its plate at present and the decision can safely wait until December when it can be announced when everyone is on holiday. Unlike the despatching of junkyard Abbott who goes barking, frothing mad over Finkel and demands urgent attention.

“Go fuck yourself” Abbott tells Craig Laundy. It’s an “ugly” bust-up, Liberal MPs report, in a three-hour session held Wednesday. All of Finkel is reduced to how we need to keep coal at any cost. Besides, coal is OK now. It’s clean and there’s carbon capture and storage. Low emission coal.

It’s clear this week that if the boys have read Finkel they have not understood a word. The discussion of the blueprint becomes an excuse to air the same stale platitudes and lies. Renewables are too expensive. We will always need coal because it’s cheap and reliable.

… where any member can howl another down …

Reductive? Utterly deluded? Never. It’s all part of the cut and thrust of the Coalition’s richly democratic, inclusive joint party room; the fabled broad church, where any member can howl another down. It’s Liberal individualism. Abbott’s tantrum will foster party unity and goodwill.

Laundy tries to speak. Abbott prevents him by repeatedly interjecting. A slanging match ensues which leads to chaos. Government hacks speed to brief the Press gallery how it’s just a vital exercise in democracy. The Finkel fracas degenerates into another Turnbull proxy war on Abbott.

There, there, Tony don’t hold yourself back. Tell us how you really feel. Really? Never mind.

It’s enough to get any boy band back on the road. Cap’n Abbott and the Carbonistas, a gospel rock revival group are all over Canberra airwaves this week. The boys reprise “gimme that coal-time religion” a toe-tapping gospel hymn of praise to blind faith in a toxic black rock as the nation’s true salvation while still maintaining their trademark grievance and sense of entitlement.

Dr Finkel has winkled out Malcolm Turnbull’s opponents en-masse in what may be another crafty manoeuvre in our wily PM’s crafty plan to establish his leadership over Tony Abbott. Whatever his plan, the “sensible centre” is rendered insensible all week by Old King Coal and his chorus.

What is too silly to be said can be sung, Voltaire once observed, but even he did not foresee the Coalition’s holy coalers, its mad right-wing. All croon such complete nonsense in response to Finkel, a fudged blueprint for the future that ignores new technologies and cheaper renewables, that they reveal a damning incapacity to engage in any responsible, rational or informed debate.

Cult claims, moreover, show breathtaking levels of wilful ignorance and brazen deception. Just one example will suffice.

The problem is not baseload …

“Coal is by far the cheapest form of baseload power,” Abbott cons 2GB listeners on Wednesday, recycling Peabody fossil-fuel propaganda. The problem is not baseload but peak load but Abbott wouldn’t know the difference. Nor does he seem to know that even Finkel concedes networked renewables are more than capable of supplying cheap, reliable baseload power.

As for cheap, experts forecast a doubling in electricity prices if new coal-fired stations are built while coal is no longer seen as a form of baseload even in China.

Last year China’s State Grid’s R&D chief Huang Han dismissed coal’s claim to be an indispensable source of “baseload” generation. As the network operator builds out its clean power sources, coal-fired generators could only serve as “reserve power” to supplement renewables.

Incapable of little more than sloganeering, the vacuous Abbott’s role in the climate wars is to set a back-marker in our national conversation. After decades of paralysing, time-wasting “debate” the government can then achieve a compromise; build a few coal-fired power stations itself. The media is full of constructive suggestion on how the politics should be taken out of energy.

Both sides need to come to a sensible compromise; adopt at least half of government idiocy?

Coal? As even a failed former Health Minister, impossibly indulged by his crafty mentor John Howard, Abbott should know, coal poses one of the most significant health issues of our time.

While mining, transport and burning must be included in any cost calculation, coal imposes an incalculable cost on the health and wellbeing of those whose lives are affected, if not ruined by pollution, economic losses and environment damage to water sources, land and food production.

… challenge Abbott’s blatant lies …

No-one on Coalition megaphone 2GB will challenge Abbott’s blatant lies but they could also point to huge costs in climate change and extreme weather events caused by coal burning.

Cheapest? Costs of coal are soaring across the globe. All published studies indicate that the true cost of coal is much greater than the market price. There’s complete consensus. Coal is crap, Tony.

Energy ministers and other coal lobby lackeys typically pretend coal is cheap. Yet its real costs are passed on to the long-term budgets of other departments. Even our Chief Scientist admits this.

In a Senate estimates hearing at the start of the month, Alan Finkel noted: “The actual cost of bringing on new coal in this country per megawatt-hour is projected to be substantially more expensive than the cost of bringing on wind or solar.”

Abbott has not read Alan Finkel’s work. Nor will he. His mind is made up. He and Russell Broadbent are convinced, moreover, that any emissions-lowering policy will boost power prices.

Abbott and his Carbonistas show a Malcolm Roberts’ level of scepticism on climate change.

When Senator Roberts asked if it were a scientist’s role to be sceptical, Alan Finkel replied: “All the scientists I know have a healthy degree of scepticism, but healthy is an important word there.

“You have to have an open mind, but not so open your brain leaks out.”

Denying reality in climate change is another proud tradition …

Doing the coal lobby’s bidding involves a type of lobotomy but the Coalition has been at it for some time. Denying reality in climate change is another proud tradition which goes back to St John Howard who squandered the entire proceeds of a mineral boom while weaseling out of any real responsibility for the environment or climate. It’s never been serious about either.

Half of Alan Finkel’s panel may be well be power corporation representatives but pandering to vested interests in energy is a long-term trend for us. In 1997 we took an industry lobby to negotiate Kyoto. As Sarah Gill notes we “comprehensively cheesed off” the European Union by demanding a free ride and, after almost derailing consensus, we refused to ratify Kyoto after all.

Gill makes the case we out-Trumped Trump in dodgy deals on climate change. Kyoto was set up for nations to agree to reduce emissions yet Australia secured permission to increase them by eight per cent. By including emissions from land clearing, we were able to inflate our 1990 baseline by 30% which made our 2012 target impossible to miss.

Direct Action dweeb Greg Hunt was fond of crowing about how we’d meet or beat our target, which amounted to 0.5% of our 1990 emissions yet our absolute emissions are rising. In 2020 they will be higher than they were in 2000. How’s that for emission reduction?

Greg’s Direct Action scam doesn’t get much airplay these days and Greg’s been shunted sideways to Health where he’s got us all on side with his declaration of love for private health insurance and how we could learn a lot from the US Health system. We’ll all heed his warning, too, on how the recent Senate easing of rules for medicinal cannabis for terminally ill patients could be fatal.

Yet Greg has voiced no regret at wasting $2.23 billion on a scheme that paid beneficiaries to plant trees that may have been planted anyway while relaxed land clearing laws in NSW and Queensland wiped out any of the gains. No apology. We understand. Taking cheap potshots at the judiciary would make big demands on your time. In the meantime, emissions continue.

As Reputex reported, last year, “the rate of annual emissions growth continues to outpace credits contracted by the [fund].” In other words, Direct Action did less than sweet bugger-all to stop polluters.

“This growth is driven by Australia’s largest emitting companies, which have … not participated in the [fund] due to the voluntary nature of the scheme, and the large up-front costs.”

… continuing his government’s attack on the legal system …

Always careful with expenditure and a stickler for accountability, Captain Kangaroo, Peter Dutton, meanwhile joins Tony Abbott in continuing his government’s attack on the legal system over the momentous decision to award $70 million damages plus $20 million legal costs to 1905 Manus Island detainees in an out of court settlement this week.

Slater and Gordon, Dutton says are “ambulance-chasers”. Labor lawyers.

Abbott madly attacks the presiding judges, for siding with the victims despite the settlement being negotiated between the government’s and plaintiff’s lawyers. Dutton is in denial.

It’s no admission of liability, he claims. Rather, in the parallel universe he and his government inhabit, it is a “prudent outcome”. Certainly, it averts a six-month damages trial in which the Commonwealth and its contractors would be accused of negligence and false imprisonment.

In the real world, however, it is a momentous decision and a landmark admission of liability which blows the whistle on years of Coalition pretence that Australia’s offshore detention is the responsibility of the nations hosting our camps. It also provides direct refutation of government claims that detainees were well looked after.

Mr Kamasaee, a 35-year-old Iranian, who needed treatment for severe burns he suffered as a child, described his experience as degrading and cruel.

“I came to Australia seeking peace, but I was sent to Manus, which was hell,” he said. “Every day in the harsh sun, my skin felt like it was on fire. I was in pain every minute of every day … I cried every night until I had nothing left.

“This case is not just about me, it is about everyone who has been trapped on Manus Island. Our voices have never been listened to, but today we are finally being heard.”

… the legal fiction that they are not Australia’s responsibility …

No compensation can make up for the torture endured by the men on Manus. Now that the legal fiction that they are not Australia’s responsibility has been destroyed, the men should be brought to Australia immediately. PNG warns that it will close the centre permanently 31 October.

Dutton ought to resign immediately for failing his duty of care while the government needs to abandon its secrecy and explain clearly what it intends to do after the centre is closed. As in so many areas of this chaotic government, the plan seems to be to wait and see what turns up.

Backward-looking, ever desperate for evasion and diversion, the Turnbull government is beset with a series of crises. There’s more to it than nostalgia or simple coal-lust. A retreat into the past is the only option for a Coalition government caught with no policy, let alone an environment or energy policy.

It has relied instead on populist posturing on border protection and punitive detention in a regime of secrecy, unaccountability, evasion and bare-faced denial – and it has been caught out.

Time to face the music. Instead, a battle of the bands erupts as the Point Piper Set amps up its catchy Blueprint for the Future: Independent Review into the Future Security of the National Electricity Market, a concerto fantasy for two conductors in homage to Philip Glass, another innovator, whose music some find challenging because it doesn’t go anywhere.

The Turnbull government’s bastardised Blueprint for a world-class electricity system, widely reviled by Carbonistas everywhere as The Finkel Review may fail to provide a political road map to allow an endangered coalition a safe exit from an energy policy highway as intended but it is to be praised at least for highlighting a terminally conflicted and out-of-touch government devoid of ideas or real plans hell-bent on substituting politicking for policy.

Serious questions are raised over Turnbull’s lack of leadership, finally, in his endorsement of his three ministers’ extraordinary, co-ordinated political attack on the Victorian judiciary.

Any democratically-elected government which sets itself above the law; which fails to respect the separation of powers between the judiciary and the parliament forfeits its legitimacy.

*David Tyler (AKA Urban Wronski) was born in England, raised in New Zealand and an Australian resident since 1979. Urban Wronski grew up conflicted about his own national identity and continues to be deeply mistrustful of all nationalism, chauvinism, flags, politicians and everything else which divides and obscures our common humanity. He has always been enchanted by nature and by the extraordinary brilliance of ordinary men and women and the genius, the power and the poetry that is their vernacular. Wronski is now a fulltime freelance writer who lives with his partner and editor Shay and their chooks, near the Grampians in rural Victoria and he counts himself the luckiest man alive. A former teacher of all ages and stages, from Tertiary to Primary, for nearly forty years, he enjoyed contesting the corporatisation of schooling to follow his own natural instinct for undifferentiated affection, approval and compassion for the young.

My name is Ossama Abdalla Wahab …

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  1. Leonard Colquhoun

    June 28, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    These two Comment 28 claims (as with other such claims about, say, privatisation always being more efficient), “All utilities should be owned and operated by the governments for the benefits of the people. Our power prices are sky rocketing because the governments are selling the farm”, are so important that they need rigorous forensic-level, stand-up-in-court standard testing.

    Fortunately, we have been given a seven-decade continent-sized laboratory to see the results of one exemplar of this sort of arrangement, and 2017 is the centenary of its beginning. And there are contemporary versions, such as the one on the northern coast of South America, which people can actually visit and see for themselves.

    And judge.

  2. max

    June 27, 2017 at 10:09 pm

    The Tasmanian Government has endorsed Hydro Tasmania entering into an agreement to purchase the power for the Granville Harbour wind farm.
    This deal involves Hydro buying about 360 gigawatt hours of energy and renewable energy certificates a year from the proposed wind farm.

    I have nothing against wind farms, I am all for them. But and it is a big but why would any sane government enter into a deal lo buy power. All utilities should be owned and operated by the governments for the benefits of the people. Our power prices are sky rocketing because the governments are selling the farm and why?

  3. Leonard Colquhoun

    June 27, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    Interesting points in Comment 26 (and others) about differences in sentencing among State jurisdictions, and between them and the Commonwealth.

    Partly this occurs because, although most matters before State courts are about breaches of State laws, terrorism-linked matters are often breaches of federal laws. Which is what happens in federations: State matters > State / Tasmanian authorities, and federal / national matters > federal / national / Commonwealth authorities.

    All workable federations have ways of handling these distinctions, with America’s FBI being the one most of us would be aware of. And, NO!!! all power to Canberra is NOT the way to go.

  4. Robin Charles Halton

    June 27, 2017 at 7:26 am

    Supreme Court of Victoria; re earlier comments by #1,#2, #5,#6,#8 & #10-

    I would like to personally thank Ministers Hunt,Trudge and Sukkar for raising the issues of inadequate sentences imposed by lefty judges on terrorism plotters.

    I cannot believe that Victoria’s highest court would impose contempt laws on the political trio who have effectively brought about sudden improvements to protect citizens of the nation.

    Nevertheless I am disappointed the trio had to make an apology to Victoria’s Court of Appeal in order to escape contempt charges!

    It is believed since, sentencing for terrorism offences across the country has been transformed after Victoria’s top judges have taken a tough new direction more in line with NSW by imposing longer sentences on two would be jihadis.

    It appears that initial prison terms for the two men were out of step with community expectations, hopefully the community can hope the bar is raised for terror sentencing from now on.

    To date the disparity for terrorism act sentencing, NSW can impose 20-25 years in Victoria under 10 years.

    Given what is happening in Australia almost on a daily basis terrorism attacks can come from any quarters even from disengaged locals in our midst who may commit violent acts with the aim of creating chaos and deaths across vulnerable areas of public assembly across our cities.

    I would be also hopeful now is the opportunity for the PM to have a few firm quiet words in private with the country’s higher echelon of the judiciary to ensure that the national interest is served adequately to a higher level of community expectations as there is no doubt violent aggression is on the rise.

    By the way the PM should show strong words for defending his three Ministers who in effect have managed to influence the Victorian judiciary as a wake up call to toughen up with court proceedings from now on.

    Its absolute rubbish the three government ministers had to make an apology or face contempt of court, this could make Australia the laughing stock of the democratic world!

  5. Keith Antonysen

    June 22, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    Leonard @ 22

    In response to your personal attack and sarcasm, any information I present is available on the net which anybody can obtain.

  6. max

    June 22, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    With America suffering from abnormal heat waves, will Trump now except the fact that climate change is a fact. Even the thickest of thick must be coming to this conclusion. If we continue down this path without radical changes to the way we produce our energy, then it is allover for the human race.

  7. John Wade

    June 22, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    We, in Australia, must be infected with the “she’ll be cool, mate” bug!

    State Grid Corporation of China is currently conducting a trial of covering all electricity supply to the whole of  Qinghai Province with clean energy,  ranging from solar, wind and to hydro power in 7 consecutive days or 168 hours, from 17 June to 23 June.
    Qinghai province is located in China’s north0west with a population about 6 million ,and according to People’s Daily, the official newspaper, the trial is designed to prove that fossil fuels will not be needed in the future.
    “Being the fist trial of this kind in the country and a major step in the transformation of energy supply, it will be of great importance in promoting the use of clean energy in China in a sustainable and effective way, ” said Quan Shenming , general manager of Qinghai Electric Power Corporation, a subsidiary of State Grid Corporation.
    During the trial, consumption of electricity in the whole province will totally rely on renewable energy, mostly hydro power which will contribute 78% , and solar and wind which will contribute the remaining 22 per cent.

    The control centre of Qinghai Electricity predicted that the average daily consumption of electrify in Qinghai province in the trial period from 17 June to 23 June is 175 million KWH.
    Qinghai has ample resources in solar and hydro power. Since the start of the 12th five-year planning period in 2011, Photovoltaic solar power in Qinghai has expanded by 58 per cent per year, with total capacity of 6GW and another 1GW being added each year.
    Portugal recently set a benchmark of  4 consecutive days, or 107 hours, of renewable energy only electricity supply. This trial in Qinghai will be longer and use significantly more solar.
    Qinghai is planning major new renewable energy projects, including Haixi and Hainan renewable energy project of 10GW each.
    By 2025 renewable power capacity installed will be 61 million KW, which will replace 50 million ton of coal for power generation. This will help Qinghai and China significantly in emission control and environment protection.


  8. Leonard Colquhoun

    June 22, 2017 at 5:11 pm

    Two observations about this, “In Australia the emphasis is on discussing energy and to a large extent ignoring climate change”, in Comment 21:

    ~ re “climate change”: would that be more accurate if expressed as ‘[AGW] climate waring’?

    ~ seems to me that the reverse priority is much more ‘discussed’ among the clever , the credentialed and the celebristi than such boring, mundane, populist whines by bogans & ‘burbanites & incognoscenti about their doubling and trebling energy bills, power outages and blackouts.

    How dare such ignoramuses whinge about these trivialities when Gaiacide is so imminent! How dare they differ with their superiors! To paraphrase what Stalin asked of the Pope: how any academic credentials do these plebeians have?

  9. Keith Antonysen

    June 22, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    Response to climate change is occurring on two fronts; with one area being in relation to energy, and the other about the impacts of climate change.

    Bru Pearce has stated that in the 1970s there had been 660 disasters reported. In the last years there have been 2 or 3 per week.

    At the beginning of this week there had been a tsunami which hit Greenland which would have an impact on the already fractured sea ice. There is a heatwave on the Western side of the US forcing flights to be cancelled at Phoenix airport. A number of heat records have been broken or have been close to being broken, of significance is that the previous records had been set within the last decade. The South East of the US is being impacted by exceptionally heavy rains (Cindi). A further storm is developing to the East of SE US, said to be very unusual for the time of year (Brett).

    The Eastern Pacific is quite warm

    Eric Holthaus is a Meorologist:


    Paul Beckwith has talked about a very simple experiment, where a glass is half filled with water and topped up with ice. The temperature of the water will go to near freezing point; but, once the ice has been warmed the temperature increases rapidly. That is why it is so important for sea ice to remain in the Arctic.

    A clip covering 18 -20 June 2017, showing heatwaves, wild fires and flooding; the last 10 minutes covers several incidents in Portugal, US, China, Taiwan and Jamaica.
    More CO2 in the atmosphere equals warming which leads to an increase in water vapour which then causes rain bombs.


    In Australia the emphasis is on discussing energy and to a large extent ignoring climate change.

  10. john Hayward

    June 21, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    TGC, #17. The scientists aren’t demanding that coal-fired power stations be immediately abandoned, merely advising us that they have to be abandoned a lot more smartly than they are at present if we want to avoid catastrophe.

    As for guilt, history seems to suggest that your end of the political spectrum is relatively immune to this affliction.

    John Hayward

  11. Leonard Colquhoun

    June 21, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    Re Malcolm the Unready II’s Gonski 2.0 educational funding scheme, perhaps Einstein’s (attributed) dictum about insanity and its results needs its own 2.0 update: repetitive stupidity and bone-headed obstinacy is spending more mega-millions on the same processes and expecting different products.

    One especially bit of stupidity stands out: the Rudd / Gillard Gonski 1.0 recognised (and was alert enough to act on) the administrative fact that 90% of Catholic schools were ‘systemic’ parish primary schools and acted on the principle of subsidiarity by delegating the administration of Gonski allocations to those local authorities.

    Malcolm the Liberal-in-name-only has rerouted responsibility to the Canberra coneheads, a la the usual centralising MO favoured by true believers (of any -ism).

  12. philll Parsons

    June 20, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    #17 your being mischievous although I suppose being blinded by your blue idiotology your grip on reality has become tenuous.

  13. TGC

    June 20, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    Now to be serious- #15 has to demand the immediate shut down of all coal-fired power stations- and not just here -but across the globe.
    (There’s no need to feel guilty about laughing!)

  14. max

    June 20, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    Our governments have created the dogs breakfast that supplies our power by selling it. Perhaps they should do the honourable thing now and buy it back. If they own the shambles that they created, Then they can do the impossible with clean coal, base loads, and meet their commitments to climate change without having the benefits of blaming every one else.

  15. john Hayward

    June 20, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    According to the best science, those pushing a moderate approach to the adoption of renewables, who are notably careful to avoid the subject of science, are taking a track over a cliff.

    We don’t have time to stuff around with clean coal just because a conservative government doesn’t like acknowledging that their sovereignty is subject to the laws of nature.

    John Hayward

  16. philll Parsons

    June 20, 2017 at 12:01 am

    #11 Lithuania has pumped hydro. It uses daytime low demand pow er produced by wind and coal to lift water from an impoundment into a concrete tank for use at peak demand times. It takes more power to pump than it produces but it does work as stored renewables for the wind quotient.

    So yes there are costs to some forms of power but just as the price of solar has fallen so can that of tidal and wave. Not all tidal involves a barrage.

    I suggest you speak with Tony Abbott if you expect the Australian government to be able to take control of the energy agenda.

    It is my view that if Abbott continues to make trouble then the voter’s will resolve the issue by electing a different one fitting your descriptive invective more closely.

    To show how out of touch Will and the SBE are we only need to look at Canberra’s us of the reverse auction giving investors surety of income and thus stimulating new energy projects.

  17. TGC

    June 19, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    #12 “All our big power consuming companies are subsidised and the general public who were paying the money that made this possible can now or in the near future go off grid.”
    I guess there are statistics available to indicate the number off ‘off-grid’ properties in Tasmania particularly as a percentage of total consumption of power-and how that shapes up by regions.
    There would be some TT-ers who have that info.

  18. max

    June 19, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    # 11 Robin. When the governments sold the power utility, they let the genie out of the bottle. Private enterprise only works if there is a profit to be made and when the only profit comes from us the general population they are in trouble. Solar panels on our roofs have taken their profits away. The best example of why your clambering for base power is not happening is Hydro, they are caught in a catch 22. Hydro has gone down the path of privatisation by stealth. The wind farms are not owned by Hydro, Hydro has to pay for the power and who will pay for it. All our big power consuming companies are subsidised and the general public who were paying the money that made this possible can now or in the near future go off grid.

  19. Robin Charles Halton

    June 19, 2017 at 2:16 am

    phill Parsons #7 the nation has a lot of catching up for providing a reliable and affordable electricity, shutting down of older coal fired stations has not been staged adequately to offset the arrival and commissioning of newer base load units either coal or gas and their supporting Renewables.

    Case in point in Tasmania why wasnt Cattle Hill Wind farm at Lake Echo already up and running to not only but to strengthen our commitment to the national grid via the Basslink connection but to boost Tasmania’s capacity

    Some how through infighting politics, greedy power providers and a messy transmission line and Inter connectors plus clusters of non syncronous generators the system has become a mess to operate in a stable operation environment.

    The fedral government has lost control of the State’s heavily politiced differing approachs for adequate electricty development.

    Privatisation of major assets on the mainland has resulted in the down fall of the NEM to work in a coordinated manner.

    By now we should have more gas fired power stations but I suspect they are expensive to operate as they burn far more gas /BTU than coal hence the electricity is far more expensive for the user.

    We are currently existing in a very delicate environment that is likely to break down again unless the PM takes a quantum leap and drives the electricity agenda and concentrating on the main generation options, a mix of high quality coal, gas only if it means no fracking of land and a sensible array of renewables wind and solar.

    Remembering that battery storage only has a very short duty cycle for the usual electricity generators and is still yet to developed as a reliable emergency backup let alone assisting with generation capacity.

    Pumped Hydro forget it, tidal forget it.

    Dont be surprised if the southern states will need diesel generators duty ready for this summers episode of breakdown possibilites through the system which is complex, unwieldy and in some cases not synchronised sufficiently to actually cope with natures wrath.

    Customers deserve better and those pig headed Green slimed State Labor governments has better get their head around it before we end as a nation of fools.

  20. john Hayward

    June 18, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    #6,Mark T. I’m not sure these increasing flashes of extremism and gratuitous cruelty are merely ad hoc political expedients. I suspect that most Libs, even Turnbull, regard democracy itself as a damned PC nuisance for those, like themselves, who matter.

    John Hayward

  21. mike seabrook

    June 18, 2017 at 8:52 pm

    and where is the apology for the feds halting construction of tassies gordon-below-franklin hydro scheme which would have shock proofed the australian electricity supply, and which was the start of the whole electricity supply debacle.

  22. philll Parsons

    June 18, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    Occassio9nally I am surprised and I must admit RCH in #2 has achieved it.

    Fortunately Hayward at #4 put the odds of a leftist activist judiciary in perspective.

    Still for the rug chewers of the hard right it understandable that they sacrifice the rule of law in their idiot war on their own system.

    Dog eat dog, the last one standing take all base world of their dreaming s the one that will only exacerbate the problems they have created and rail against as the fault of others lest we look in their direction to find the fault and remove their power.

  23. philll Parsons

    June 18, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    #4 must be following closely the energy debate and has come to the same conclusion as Dr Finkel in his report.

    Doing nothing will see coal fall to supplying 22% of baseload power by 2050 just as doing nothing has seen power prices rise by 20% a year over the last half decade with another 20% this year.

    The Emissions Intensity Scheme Abbott and the carbonistas rejected earlier in the year would have seen coal at 17% of baseload and the current proposal coal would be at 16% by 2050.

    Abbott’s promised fall in the cost of electricity after ending the so called carbon tax has not happened. Why?. Because now those investing in energy have no certainty about a RETURN on investment.

    The big business community is telling the so called good economic managers of the Lieberal Party that certainty is needed so investment in energy will again flow as it did under the Gillard government.

    Within a few years many more coal fired power stations will be as old as Hazelwood. Continuing their life will be costly. Currently no financial institution is willing to back new coal fired power plants because there is no certainty of a RETURN.

    Without a transition plan it won’t matter what RCH supports, there will be no investment in new coal fired power plants not that his support matters as baseload can now be achieved without coal.

    Like their positions on everything the blue blindfold team finds itself in a timewarp third dimension where they are torn between 1850 and 2050 and are unable to escape their dated ideas.

    As for the person responsible for this energy dilemma. It isn’t Abbott, he is but the instrument of St John Howard the Lieberal who diidled Australia during the mining boom, unable to think about the future of Australia including its economy.

    Abbott was a disruptor, all his economic measures fizzzas’, now either dead or as unpopular as he became.

  24. Mark Temby

    June 18, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    #5 JohnH, my take is a coordinated political push into various states based on polling. Queensland and Adani is one example. The Liberal Party is also trying to claw back support in Victoria. The party went into shock with the last few election swings hence the attacks on the parole and judiciary systems. Turnbull’s support for Victoria’s replacement of the Three Amigos in the face of an active Supreme Court really brings into focus his unsuitability even as a Barrister. It ain’t rocket science…

  25. john Hayward

    June 18, 2017 at 3:07 pm

    The most conspicuous feature of the Libs’ attack on the judiciary is the fact that it is not an attack on a ruling but on the allegedly radical ideology of the judges.

    As judges are appointed by our generally conservative pollies from a notoriously conservative profession, the attack seems to be emanating from some point well to starboard of the normal bounds of democracy.

    Sure enough, the three hapless culture warriors are supported by Dutton, who makes no secret of his contempt for PC crap of the small “l” variety, judicial independence, or any other aspects of impartiality or due process.

    John Hayward

  26. Robin Charles Halton

    June 18, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    The problem is not baseload:
    Urban Wronski making any reference to what China does is probably incorrect as China’s role in the world is becoming one of deceit and Australia would be a nation of fools to believe in the mischief that China creates!

    China may attend the Paris talks whereas the US does not but I would rather believe the US will be making steps towards more Renewables in the mean time maintaining some coal fired base load to keep their economy ticking with an upward trend and so it should.

    Australia essentially must do the same to remain in stable political hands securing the national interest first and foremost.

    Baseload electricity will remain as an essential step in maintaining stable and affordable energy as a priority while renewables are being developed following baseload requirements avoiding expensive blackouts and leftie political mischief within our nation.

    I will continue to support the Coalition if they essentially support reliable and affordable electricity at the same time avoiding going out on unnecessary tangents of confused ideas such as pumped hydro and wave power as examples to satisfy the national lefties front!

  27. TGC

    June 18, 2017 at 12:32 pm

    FIZZA- must be Monday.

  28. Robin Charles Halton

    June 18, 2017 at 12:02 pm

    It is highly likely the judges are too soft on terror and for that matter public and family violence too.

    Western society in general has an increasing problem with ice and other drugs which affect ones capacity to think and act rationally and often results in heinious criminal acts.

    One only has to read sentences dished out to individuals and terrorist cells who are the bane of this country who escape real justice and can end up repeating the crime again next time with dire consequences.

    There is no space for lefty judiciary in this nation especially in regards to crime to allow for soft sentences for terrorists or those with close association to radicalisation, that potentially can lead to violent crimes.

    It would be interesting to know how many citizens of this country are acting as if they are living in the Middle East where one religious group is fighting against each other or with ISIS.

    The judiciary must be accountable and err on harsher sentences in the public interest.

    The PM and his collegues are on the right track to keep up the pressure on a weakening judiciary to act for the public safety first and foremost.

  29. Mark Temby

    June 18, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    The arrogance is only exceeded by the stupidity. Alan Tudge should have been prosecuted under the Privacy Act for the release of personal information from Centrelink files but I’d assume his office did much finger pointing and shrugging of shoulders. Can you imagine the media response if, for example, Wayne Swan had released the personal tax information of James Packer, Gina Rinehart or Gerry Harvey?

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