Tasmanian Times

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

Economy

NATION: A government in diabolical trouble …

Barely a month after being sworn in, the Turnbull government is in diabolical trouble: its Census, sensationally botched; its gulag on Nauru suddenly exposed in 2000 documents leaked to public view while Tony Abbott makes trouble for his equally inept successor by condoning hate speech inflaming a body politic well-infected with prejudice and dissension.

Legacy issues also loom large. Barnaby Joyce says he is moving an entire government department to his electorate while George Brandis refuses to let anyone see his diary, despite the Federal Court’s advice, after failing his appeal to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.

Will the diary reveal he consulted no-one before slashing legal aid funding? Showing it would be too much work for himself, he says, a case he will take to the full Federal Court at our expense.

Barnyard Barnaby Joyce moved the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority to regional New South Wales to boost his election prospects without his Prime Minister’s approval.

Trouble is brewing, however. Two thirds of the staff would quit, according to their union. There is also the cost. Relocation will cost $24.1 million and potential redundancy up to $10 million.

But let’s be fair. It is easy for a newly-elected Coalition government to falter as its first, feckless steps towards being in charge lead it to betray its election promises as it seeks first to please Gina Rinehart, her IPA and others. Scott Morrison is already watering down the changes to superannuation tax concessions his party took to the election to protect the wealthy. What’s the odd broken promise among friends?

Conservative governments must look after their backers, the banks, News Ltd, King Cronulla, Alan Jones, The Minerals Council and other industry associations, special interest groups, plus the six hundred or so professional lobbyists for the rich and powerful who run Australia without being required to declare who funds them. It’s a full dance card even if you’re hot to trot.

Nor is it uncommon – given its rush to get governing, and a PM who wants to “hit the ground doing”, for the odd detail to be overlooked – such as the picayune need to first govern itself or to do the irksome due-diligence required to ensure first pick royal commissioner Brian Martin is, indeed, retired, as George “My Secret Diary” Brandis wrongly claimed.

…its eagerness to dig its own grave

Martin may well have been seen to be conflicted by His Honour’s employ in the NT Justice Department or his daughter’s work as a justice adviser to the NT Attorney-General in 2011.
But nothing – not even the Abbott mob’s sublime incompetence – can match the Turnbull’s government’s capacity for catastrophic decision-making; its eagerness to dig its own grave.

The Coalition’s e-Census is just such a black hole; an unmitigated disaster for all concerned, the ABS, the public and the PM. It will help to torch whatever remains of Turnbull’s credibility.

Boosted as a secure online survey, an oxymoron which just happens, for the first time, to contain your name with records to be kept for 99 years, the online Census is suddenly hugely compromised mid-week along with the government as its on-line triumph of cost-saving efficiency is revealed to everyone as almost as much of a costly fiasco as its NBN.

Like the government’s week in politics itself, the census fiasco is one of those theatres of engagement where nothing goes right. A series of failures to communicate and to plan its implementation effectively means that the government’s Census is resented as an invasion of privacy before any of its many technological shortcomings are taken into account.

Were ministers over-confident or was everyone conned by IBM spin doctors again? It conned the Queensland into a $60 million online solution that cost that government $1.2 billion to fix before it could enable health workers to be paid properly, among other functions. Not that this deterred Hockey and Abbott from giving IBM the nod with the ABS Census contract.

They were certainly complacent. In three years, the Coalition assigned no fewer than three ministers to the Census. Current chump, Michael McCormack has three weeks’ experience to draw upon to manage the disaster, a process which entails boasting how well everything is going and how everything is safe and that no data was compromised … despite what the experts claim.

No-one will step up to take responsibility but its failed Census is a massive own goal for the Turnbull government before the other team has even taken the field. Its promises and reassurances, exploded, the PM and his team have shredded their credibility and trust.

Finger-pointing continues

Adding to the disarray, MPs publicly carp and bicker over what went wrong, whose fault it is – even whether the cyber-attack comes from within Australia, as Christopher Pyne asserts on Friday, or the USA as other ministers and the PM have claimed. Finger pointing continues.

Could we be heading for another AFP raid on Labor staffers’ homes in the small hours with full media presence? Will the minister dismiss reports of failure as “unsubstantiated allegations?”

Uncertainty rules. Even by the week’s end no-one knows whether the ABS will have the seven million responses it says it needs to make the $470 million exercise “statistically significant.”

Time for agility. Whatever went wrong, or however much, Turnbull is quick Thursday morning to tip buckets over the ABS and IBM; both of whom earn his rebuke on commercial radio for not being prepared.

Like a peeved school headmaster, he says he is “bitterly disappointed” by their lack of preparedness for an “entirely predictable” attack. Or whatever it really was.

Should we be so paranoid? Mick Young famously advised that when there’s a choice between a conspiracy and stuff-up; go with the stuff-up every time. Applying Young’s Razor, it is likely that the website was not designed to deal with six million, simultaneous log-ins and crashed. This does not preclude some suspicious activity also taking place but it does rule out such feverish speculation which has led some to blame the Chinese.

It’s an ill wind, however. The failure of the website has been a boon to the paranoid and has boosted the climate for wild and often bizarre speculation nurtured by some Coalition MPs on Safe Schools or marriage equality, or climate change and surely adds a few more dingbats to a drama that is just begging to be dubbed our mature conversation on irrational hysteria – soon.

Melbourne University cyber security expert Suelette Dreyfus is even prepared to name names. She detects the work of “Chinese citizens unhappy about Australian swimmer Mack Horton calling his Chinese rival Sun Yang a drug cheat.”

Settle down.

Patriotic geeks who follow sport?

Less in doubt is how far our Attorney-General will go to conceal his affairs. Brandis refuses to supply his diary as requested under FOI by Labor’s Mark Dreyfus, who wants to check that Brandis consulted any community legal services before he axed their funding two years ago.

…”undermining the nation’s democracy”

The 2014 Budget slashed $6 million from community legal centres, along with $15 million from legal aid commissions and $43 million from advocacy services. A Human Rights Law Centre (HLRC) report argues that such decisions were “undermining the nation’s democracy.”

Brandis has argued, unconvincingly, that sharing his diary is too big an administrative burden and will interfere with his workload, a case the Administrative Appeals Tribunal has rejected. An unhappy Brandis is now appealing to the full Federal Court, at a cost $30,000. As Richard Ackland observes, it is an expensive way of hiding information; especially by a man in charge of our freedoms.

Freedom is of course just another word for nothing left to lose to those who come by sea to seek our asylum. By Friday, the government faces calls to widen its NT inquiry to include asylum seekers on Nauru.

Resourcefully, three non-government organisations send legal advice to the commission, showing that it could examine incidents of child abuse on Nauru.

Its NT Royal Commission containment operation fails utterly as the uncovering of the truth about Nauru prompts experts to uphold a responsibility the government would rather duck. Real leadership is clearly called for.

Luckily, others are keen to lend a strong right hand. Rapprochement already over, Eric Abetz helpfully tells Turnbull that a real Cabinet would include himself and his mates Kevin and Tony.

Former Employment Minister, Abetz, who once helped ensure no Tasmanian was out of work, has also more recently been able to help keep them out of Cabinet. The self-appointed head of the Apple Isle’s arch-conservatives assisted with the booting of Turnbull supporter and former Tourism and International Education Minister Richard Colbeck into an unelectable position five the ballot paper.

Outrageous, unfair but topical amongst some embittered Liberals this week, is the harsh but fair view that Abetz helped Tassie Liberals lose all three of their seats in the House of Reps.

Always keen to keep himself relevant, Coalition junkyard dog, former Minister for Women and Gillard witch-ditcher Tony Abbott, gives a talk to the Samuel Griffith Society in Adelaide on Friday regretting opposing Julia Gillard’s government’s proposed Malaysian solution in 2011.

A “gobsmacked” Stephen Conroy says sending 800 asylum seekers with Malaysia in return for 4000 genuine refugees would have made both Manus Island and Nauru centres unnecessary.

… junkyard Abbott keeps a straight face …

A late addition to the programme of the society which aims to defend the Australian Constitution against all who would attempt to undermine it, junkyard Abbott keeps a straight face as he deplores hyper-partisanship even helpfully offering his public support to those crossbench nut jobs who want to change section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975.

Dog-whistling on 18c, or George Brandis’ “right to be a bigot,” brings comfort to bullies and lovers of hate speech who maintain its exercise ignores all power relationships and assumes erroneously and dangerously – as former vet David Leyonhjelm and another nutter on the Senate crossbench put it last Sunday on Insiders – that offence is “never given, it is always taken.”

Just to test, Mark Kenny calls David Leyonhjelm a “boorish, supercilious know-all with the empathy of a Besser block,” recalling an episode of The Chaser in which the libertarian told satirists to “fuck off” when they exercised free speech to challenge his hypocrisy.

Leyonhjelm takes offence easily. Thin-skinned or not, he’s sure to heed Abbott’s whistle.

Abbott’s dog whistle will also stir up enough of the rest of the rabid right-wing pack in the Coalition to worry Turnbull lest he overdo his mission to achieve good government. In brief, he lets Turnbull know he is coming after him. And he gets some assistance from on high.

Liberal Party commentator du jour, world’s most profligate treasurer, a self-proclaimed expert on fiscal restraint, budget balancing and sweet-talking Pauline Hanson and other cross-benchers, Peter Costello bobs up on Four Corners to join Abbott’s dots.

“I don’t think, you know, Tony plans to be a backbencher for the rest of his life,” Costello adds ponderously, greatly enriching Monday’s Four Corners open-ended investigation entitled Man on a Wire, how much longer can Malcolm Turnbull survive? Not that Abbott survived long.

… a dump of dud decisions …

Abbott met the demands of office with a quick surrender. As Niki Savva has detailed, he abdicated command to his Chief of Staff, Peta Credlin whose petty despotism, combined with her PM’s own innate lack of leadership and poor judgement, conspired to quickly lose him his Prime Ministership, but not before setting its own record of ineptitude in a dump of dud decisions including cutting $68 million ABS funding and leaving it with no head for a year.

A decimated ABS is publicly upbraided for its e-Census stuff up by a duck-shoving PM in damage control. “Heads will roll,” he says, a phrase with chilling international resonance.

Bill Shorten maintains the e-Census fiasco is “gold medal incompetence: but it’s probably not wise to crow, especially for an opposition leader who is unable to respond to this week’s leaking of incident reports showing cruelty and sexual abuse inflicted on those who came begging our asylum whom we choose instead to lock up or expose to abuse and send mad on Nauru.

Shorten calls for an independent child advocate, doubtless in the heat of the moment unable to recall Gillian Triggs’ name or her National Inquiry into Children in Immigration Detention 2014.

Turnbull and Dutton deny “unsubstantiated allegations” as they call the 2000 official incident reports of responsible officials, detainees and other eye-witnesses on Nauru, saying the government would review the reports to decide what action should be taken, but not before Dutton tells media “only 20 of them are urgent.”

Later Dutton goes completely overboard in blaming the victim and in continuing the Coalition line that asylum seekers are illegals and therefore anything they say is illegitimate, by claiming that some have “self-immolated” or self-harmed in order to reach Australia. It’s a line that goes all the way back to October 2001 when John Howard lied about babies being thrown overboard. He closed Christmas Island port to prevent independent observation.

For despicable nonsense Dutton can’t be topped but pop-goes-the-word-weasel Scott Morrison who is quick to try diminishing the legitimacy of the reports with a spurious distinction. Although the reports are objective records of those actually involved in the camp he claims:

“It’s important to stress that incident reports of themselves aren’t a reporting of fact; they are reporting that an allegation has been made of a particular action.”

On his first day in office Turnbull promised “ … an open government, an open government that recognises that there is an enormous sum of wisdom both within our colleagues in this building and, of course, further afield, echoing the Liberal Party promise before the 2013 election to “restore accountability and improve transparency measures to be more accountable to you.”

What we get this week instead is a lame-duck Prime Minister ducking for cover at every opportunity … unable to take charge of his own party … let alone meet the challenges of government.

*David Tyler (AKA Urban Wronski) was born in England, raised in New Zealand and an Australian resident since 1979. Urban Wronski grew up conflicted about his own national identity and continues to be deeply mistrustful of all nationalism, chauvinism, flags, politicians and everything else which divides and obscures our common humanity. He has always been enchanted by nature and by the extraordinary brilliance of ordinary men and women and the genius, the power and the poetry that is their vernacular. Wronski is now a fulltime freelance writer who lives with his partner and editor Shay and their chooks, near the Grampians in rural Victoria and he counts himself the luckiest man alive. A former teacher of all ages and stages, from Tertiary to Primary, for nearly forty years, he enjoyed contesting the corporatisation of schooling to follow his own natural instinct for undifferentiated affection, approval and compassion for the young.

A solution to our Refugee Crisis … They believe that as the international community increasingly becomes acquainted with the unprecedented cruelty of Australia’s asylum-seeker policies, our reputation as a callous and even racist nation will become entrenched …

• Bob Hawkins in Comments: We have had state-sanctioned child abuse and human-rights violations re asylum seekers/refugees since late last century. Every PM and Immigration Minister since about 1995 should be put on trial for both offences. Some chance! At least we could bring all the inmates of Manus and Nauru to Australia and give them the best start possible to set them on the road to becoming Australian citizens. Carrying on the way we are is an invitation to intensify the hatred our immigration/border security policies are generating.

Guardian: Far-right protesters interrupt Anglican service clothed in mock Islamic dress

• Sammi in Comments: OPEN LETTER to Mr Peter Dutton, I feel ashamed to be an Australian. I’ve heard you say that you just “won’t tolerate” mistreatment of asylum seekers on Nauru, but on the other hand you keep insisting that our government has no power to intervene in the way those people are treated on Nauru. So – you’re just paying lip-service to wanting “respectful” treatment for those vulnerable people. Nauru is known internationally as a failed state. Even with all that money from Australian taxpayers, it doesn’t have the basic legal and social underpinning necessary to treat those people with respect. Police are unable to protect people who are not part of the existing Nauruan society. Your reaction to the obvious abuses against vulnerable women and children on Nauru is absolutely heartless and cruel. I hope you’re not a Christian, because that would give all Christians a terrible reputation, as you are already besmirching Australia’a reputation. If you are a Christian, you’ll know that Christ would never have condoned the further victimisation of people who have already had to flee their own land (as also happened in biblical times) …

Fairfax: Refugee protesters interrupt Malcolm Turnbull economic speech

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24 Comments

24 Comments

  1. Simon Warriner

    August 17, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    re 22, have to agree with that!

  2. Kim Peart

    August 17, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    Homelessness can be solved by a peaceful citizen’s revolution that delivers real work with real pay to all able workers. Homelessness is driven by a political economy that is addicted to around 5% unemployment to keep the wheels of growth turning, so others can get a larger share of the national pie. Under-employment, poverty and homelessness are a direct consequence of the national addiction to unemployment to drive growth for and wealth to the privileged.

    Should we hold a moot in the Ross Town Hall and invite all interested to participate in a peaceful revolution?

    Refugees are like the other side of the coin to homelessness and both groups are treated badly. In the political landscape, public concerns rise when refugees drown at sea, resulting in a political response of harsh treatment to deter refugees. This political treadmill keeps going round and round.

    If we wish to deal with the refugee problem, we need to consider another way. The alternative approach is the same as solving homelessness in our own nation. Globally, this is much more difficult to achieve and is only possible through the level of space development that became possible in the 1970s. That path didn’t happen for the simple reason that vested interests on Earth needed the oil wealth to keep flowing.

    The problem with space development for the oil industry, is that access would be gained to the free energy of the Sun in space and open the way to a stellar economy that creates the wealth that would allow the citizens of Earth to send poverty into history. That is also the key to peace on Earth, but topped up with oil industry propaganda, even green Earth advocates turn away from alternatives that will work and get trapped on the treadmill of endless debate and no working solutions.

    Just as refugees and the homeless are being robbed of a future on Earth, we have all been robbed of the future we could be in, so some can get the wealth from oil and war. We need a peaceful citizens revolution to fix the stupidities of Earth politics and silly greed.

    Rather than slamming the Olympics, we could imagine a future when Olympic sports can happen in space in zero gravity. The promise of space Olympics can be the inspirational key to getting back our stolen future, solving the refugee problem, ending homelessness and sending poverty into history.

    Whatdya reckon?

  3. TGC

    August 17, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    Neither are ‘On-Shore Jails..any place for children’
    Furthermore- it is imperative all Australians pressure all governments to ensure there aren’t people living on the streets: there is no excuse for ‘homelessness’ in a wealthy country like ours
    and if it means taxes must be increased to bring this about- the majority of Australians would gladly cough up. – No ‘Olympics’ until no ‘homelessness’ Whatdya reckon?

  4. Kim Peart

    August 17, 2016 at 10:38 am

    There are Christian mobs in Australia who practice strict rules that are at times found to be contrary to Australian law. When the law applies, so the law needs to be enforced.

    Culture is a more delicate matter. I had a problem when I saw someone dressed from foot to face in black cloth. They were caring for a child on Brisbane’s South Bank, near the beach pool there.

    In Australia we do not allow nudity in public, except for some select locations like a nudist beach, but we tolerate total concealment. Should total concealment also be restricted to select locations?

    France has been working through this problem. Do we need to learn from France?

  5. Philip Lowe

    August 17, 2016 at 5:04 am

    I read the piece on Nauru in the Guardian.It was a terrible press for Oz.There are tens of thousands of ‘refugees’ in Indonesia and Australia is paying for their board,Danegeld.
    Indonesia can choose to open the floodgates whenever it feels it is to its advantage.Europe is not so dis-similar.Oh dear what can the matter be?

  6. Robin Charles Halton

    August 17, 2016 at 3:22 am

    #18, William, agree there is no place for Sharia law in Australia however it is probably the harsher forms of Sharia being practiced against the wishs of Muslim individuals that need to be exposed and this would require persons being unfairly treated in our democratic society to come foward with guaranteed State protection.
    This could apply to females and minors who are subject to abuse by depriving them of their liberty as Australian citizens by those hell bent on enforcing religious order.

    I am all for local Muslim children to be educated under the public schooling system where all students are taught about choice and have the opportunity to integrate with and function successfully within mainstream Australian society.

    I dont see a problem with female students wearing head scarves if they so desire but it should be their choice and not enforced on them by strict religious law.

    I would hope the government consider that the younger generation of Muslims would benefit greatly from integrated public schooling and gradually withdraw taxpayer funding from Muslim schools altogether.

  7. William Boeder

    August 16, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    We are people of one specific country, Australia.
    The various government views in relation to the changes made to the laws of Australia are not in line with constitutional change.
    Australia became a hotspot destination for the majority of persons fleeing their war-zone countries.
    The creation of the war-zones were created by our supposed best ally, America.
    In my mind this whole enchilada began when the American Administration began its war on terror by announcing same on the day after they (the American Administration manufactured the false flag destruction of the 2 Trade Towers.
    Established fact.)
    Those that seek Sharia law must accordingly return to their countries that already have an all imposing Sharia Law.
    Australia does not require any new foreign design of law to interfere with the way Australia has began and continued to be so regarded since the enactment day of the Australian constitution.

    The current state of play per our government in their attempting to reduce the Financial Services Sector regulatory obligations, has since become a step into a lesser standard of financial integrity.
    Annoyingly this indeed is in line with the Liberal party political purposes and desires which by way of sound reason not to be further burdened upon the Australian people.
    Grubby corporate Scorpion greed desires should not be permitted to occur.

  8. Keith Antonysen

    August 16, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    On Q&A last Monday night, Professor Brian Cox in relation to refugees stated no one nation can solve the problem. The matter is very unlikely to go away with the Middle East expected to become inhospitable in the future. A very recent temperature spike suggests it is a plausible view with a temperature spike getting up to 60C.

    Quote:

    “Over the past month, temperatures in Kuwait and Iraq have soared to 54 degrees, while Baghdad, the capital of Iraq, has seen temperatures of 43C and higher nearly every day for almost two straight months.
    Meanwhile, parts of the United Arab Emirates and Iran were dealt a historic heat index of 60C.”

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/the-middle-east-is-in-the-middle-of-a-hellish-heatwave-right-now/news-story/faaff6a64926163839894e1c50f6376e

  9. Sammi

    August 16, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    OPEN LETTER to Mr Peter Dutton,

    I feel ashamed to be an Australian.

    I’ve heard you say that you just “won’t tolerate” mistreatment of asylum seekers on Nauru, but on the other hand you keep insisting that our government has no power to intervene in the way those people are treated on Nauru. So – you’re just paying lip-service to wanting “respectful” treatment for those vulnerable people.

    Nauru is known internationally as a failed state. Even with all that money from Australian taxpayers, it doesn’t have the basic legal and social underpinning necessary to treat those people with respect. Police are unable to protect people who are not part of the existing Nauruan society.

    Your reaction to the obvious abuses against vulnerable women and children on Nauru is absolutely heartless and cruel. I hope you’re not a Christian, because that would give all Christians a terrible reputation, as you are already besmirching Australia’a reputation. If you are a Christian, you’ll know that Christ would never have condoned the further victimisation of people who have already had to flee their own land (as also happened in biblical times).

    There must be a definite plan for resettlement as soon as possible. That is clearly Australia’s responsibility – and so, as the Minister – it is YOUR responsibility.

    Like so many other Tasmanians, I didn’t vote for any Liberals or other candidates who support this cruel treatment of people whom we should be helping.

    What will you do that will allow me once again feel proud to be an Aussie ?

  10. Chris

    August 16, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    At least I do not believe the apple tree story and the talking snake attached thereon, so I become an atheist or un believer or such.
    Then I can only recommend that those who believe in exclusive regions or cults should grow out of the 16th century mind set and get a copy of West Side Story or Romeo and Juliet and see what blind unintelligent hatred does and revise their ideas and update their ideals?
    Lets unite, tolerate and embrace rather than divide!

  11. Robin Charles Halton

    August 16, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    If the Lindt Cafe siege is anything to go on, the current inquiry tells each and every Australian that at the time the judicary and the police were not capable of protecting the public from Muslim extremists wandering freely within our population.
    At the inquiry heads are rolling, there will be senior police who will be forced to tender their resignations. With all of the political correctness rubbish out in the community the same could happen again.

    #12 Simon, re Rabbinical law, Jews dont come out of the blue here in Australia and cause havoc in public places, their own problems of recent events of child abuse within their religious schools is their downside as a community.

    That bring me to the other point, the government should discontinue supporting radical religious schools that teach life
    control via religious texts.

    At least the next generation should be given every opportunity to break free of outdated faith teaching and attend public schools as many do now by integrating with the wider community for the benefit of broader horizons through education leading to freedom of choice by the vunerable young students.

  12. Tim Thorne

    August 16, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    My only enemies are those who tell me that I have enemies. Robin (#11), I would rather not be your enemy.

    I shall know when Sharia law has been introduced when I can no longer buy wine.

  13. Simon Warrriner

    August 16, 2016 at 10:51 am

    re 11.

    Robin, there is no sharia law in Australia, so stop repeating a blatant lie.

    If you are, as I suspect, banging on about Halal certification of food products, that is not and never will equate to the imposition of Sharia law, any more than the certifying of food for the Jewish market equates to the imposition of Rabbinical law on the rest of us.

    If you, and all like you who are beating this witless drum want any credibility for your argument against sharia law you need to be demanding the outlawing of Kosher certification as well. Given some of the statements and instructions in the Torah, and the background history of that religion as laid out in the old testament, there is demonstrable reason to be afraid of the motivations of the more extremist elements associated with that religion, especially in light of their treatment of the Palestinians.

    Wasn’t it Goering who said “it is easy to bring the people to the leader of any nation’s bidding, just tell them they are under attack”, or something very close?

    LEST WE FORGET.

    And no, I am not advocating antisemitism, or hatred of jews. I am simply pointing out an inconsistency in a frankly stupid scare campaign being run by very foolish people who are behaving exactly like sheep.

  14. Robin Charles Halton

    August 16, 2016 at 2:21 am

    #9 and #10, The huge majority of Australians including myself were never any part of the invasion of Iraq and Afganistan, our elected government made those rash decisions at the time agreed to go in with ours the US and British forces.

    I am speaking from the current standpoint post 2016 federal election including that of Senator Lambie, there is no place for the support or in fact tolerance for Sharia law in Australia.

    In fact I am having doubts about where Australia is heading having brought by of immigration or refugee settlement that of incompatible race and religion into Australia.

    On top of the Muslim issues we are also facing surmounting problems with Chinese investment given the sabre rattling in the South China Sea.

  15. Chris

    August 15, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    “completely messed up conflicts currently taking place in the Middle East and parts of Asia. -“at 7

    Who were the Australian war Criminals (Federal Liberal Cabinet) who decided they could invade these areas, who is still dropping bombs on them, who removed the Carbon tax to enhance the effects of Global Climate Change on the globe, whose legacy is that?
    If Labor and Liberal put people in jail for life , without trial and who have committed no crime and as result they are forced to endure sexual intercourse because they are despised by the big white/brown jailers?
    Is that what #7 and Lambie mean by Sharia Law?

    “I noticed in yesterday’s Mercury that Senator Lambie”…..-

    Who reads the Murdock Rag, but do not despair we will be subjected to the ownership of all media soon in one name here, namely Turnbull’s mates Radio, TV and Nudes paper (refer to page 3)
    ABC via IPA next.

  16. Simon Warriner

    August 15, 2016 at 11:15 am

    re this in #7
    “Unless there is integration and an acceptance of Australian laws and way of life, it is wrong to have two sets of rules one for Muslims living in this country based on religious beliefs and the other for Australians who enjoy freedom.”

    Show where it is legislated, or regulated that “sharia law” is applicable in this country, please.

    It has the same status as the various rules and edicts of the jewish laws, the edicts of Erich abetz’s mate “the elect vessel” and various other religious sects and cults. That is, if you decide to follow that religion, part of the deal is you abide by its rules. The Jewish religion has some pretty harsh ones that are unenforcable here. And I won’t even go anywhere near some of the techniques the christian sects use to discipline their members when they are perceived to transgress.

    All the angst against muslim religion is what happens when small minded people allow themselves to be manipulated by those who think they are in charge and have the right to frighten people by telling stories about bogeymen under the bed.

    Especially when those chief amongst the story tellers have been using the bogeymen to forment revolution and chaos in the lands the refugees come from and as a weapon aimed squarely at the heart of Russia.

    Next you will be telling us about the emperors great new outfit……….

  17. Kim Peart

    August 15, 2016 at 11:14 am

    If a future can be imagined where there is world peace, no poverty, and no refugees to worry about, would we work to build that future? Such a world would be a bit different to the one we are used to, where people would be happy and all children can be healthy and creative. Why would we fail to imagine such a future, if we can?

  18. Robin Charles Halton

    August 15, 2016 at 5:41 am

    Multiculturism has worked well in the past but now the government are beyond controlling it, especially where angry Muslim populations exist, treating our country as another source for the completely messed up conflicts currently taking place in the Middle East and parts of Asia.

    Currently in this nation there are at least two cases of Muslim child care centre fraud and a number government subsidised Muslim schools that monies appear to have misplaced or sent overseas for Muslim sponsored suspicious activities outside Australia.

    This is not a good reflection on the overall Muslim community at all, hence there is a strong reaction against further Muslim immigration especially via refugee and family reunion sources to enter Australia.

    Unfortunately we as a nation do not want to risk further infiltration by persons unknown to us and the chances of many of these persons do not fit into the Australian way of life.

    I noticed in yesterday’s Mercury that Senator Lambie has called on our State government to cut funding to the Multicultural Society of Tasmania because of its support for Sharia law.
    Lambie is right support for Sharia Law endangers the principle of multiculturism in Ausralia.
    MCT CEO Anna Reynolds is treading a very fine line if she continues to take our multiculturism out in a different direction.

    Immigration, refugees, asylum seekers, home grown terrorism threats are extremely sensitive issues here in Australia.

    Unless there is integration and an acceptance of Australian laws and way of life, it is wrong to have two sets of rules one for Muslims living in this country based on religious beliefs and the other for Australians who enjoy freedom.

  19. TGC

    August 15, 2016 at 12:25 am

    I am all for supporting the idea of an open-hearted country and I do believe we should admit anyone who seeks refugee status.
    But the question remains- should there be an annual limit to this ‘welcome’ or should we allow unlimited?
    If unlimited then do we accept any consequences?
    If limited-then what should be the number? and what about the person immediately next to that number?

  20. Bob Hawkins

    August 14, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    We have had state-sanctioned child abuse and human-rights violations re asylum seekers/refugees since late last century. Every PM and Immigration Minister since about 1995 should be put on trial for both offences. Some chance! At least we could bring all the inmates of Manus and Nauru to Australia and give them the best start possible to set them on the road to becoming Australian citizens. Carrying on the way we are is an invitation to intensify the hatred our immigration/border security policies are generating.

  21. David Tyler

    August 14, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    Good question, Keith.

    The ABS is now so under-funded as to be unable to do its jobs. In fact you can trace its sad decline over the last five years as a process of casting off jobs it can no longer afford.

    You may have seen for example how hairy the unemployment statistics have become as cheaper ways of collecting the data such as online surveys are deployed.

    Along with other key government departments, The ABS has been ravaged by funding cuts to the point where its basic functions such are done on a shoeshine and smile.

    So strapped was it for the resources to do a census, it proposed early last year to the government that the census interval be moved to every ten years. Tony Abbott was said to be sympathetic to the request at the time.

    It’s not a partisan issue, Rudd’s government cut $20 million from the ABS in 2008, applying the same wretched neoliberal rhetoric of an efficiency dividend.

    Abbott and Hockey, of course, cut even more deeply, slashing a further $68 million in 2014, but even in 2008 it was clear to many commentators that the ABS was no longer able to monitor the unemployment rate accurately.

    In 2014, The Community and Public Sector Union (CPSU) warned that Federal Government budget cuts were making it impossible for staff to do their jobs properly.

    The Coalition has not heeded the warning. It attempts to run government on weaker and weaker statistical information. The Reserve Bank, for example, still relies exclusively on ABS data. But then, how much of this government’s decision-making is data driven?

  22. Kim Peart

    August 14, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    We have been led on a treadmill of compliance to empires, from Britain to America and now, may fall beneath the spell of China, because we have not been practicing the art of self-determination. Is Australia a nation with principle, or an economy, where many float like marshmallows, sugar-coated with money, while others live in hell, poor, homeless. How we treat refugees reflects how we allow thousands of ex-service personnel to be homeless. We have no idea what the Fair Go means, when we lock up refugees in concentration camps.

    Should we wake up and decide to invest in a vision for the nation, where all citizens can share the bounty of the nation, where we lead the way to a better life for all people on Earth, where we keep our planet healthy, there is a way, if we dare to dream and fight for a future that is amazing.

    That fight begins with each individual deciding they want a better way and work with others to build it.

    We have deep trouble to face, with China moving south, with the potential of a third world war that goes nuclear mad, with carbon driven Earth change that is killing the Earth, with unsustainable demands on our planet’s life-support systems and with too many people on Earth trapped in poverty.

    In this dangerous universe we don’t have to ask for trouble, but we are really asking for mega strife, because we lack a vision that will lift our game to a cosmic survival level.

    If we will be leaders in space development, we can build a way to solve all problems and secure peace on Earth. That vision begins with each individual and grows as numbers rise. Is this alternative for Australia worth tackling? We have all to lose by stumbling on as we are now, blind to our real potential and a big fat target for a serious enemy.

    See my TT article ~ Can an Aussie Paper Cat survive a hungry Chinese Panda? ~
    http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php?/weblog/article/can-an-aussie-paper-cat-survive-a-hungry-chinese-panda/
    for a few suggestions. Follow the comments. Without a working vision that will solve our problems and create direction, we may as well go live in the ruins of Port Arthur and wait for the doom of our days.

  23. phill Parsons

    August 14, 2016 at 11:59 am

    And the economy is going so well the Reserve bank has moved us closer to free money, Credit Cards exempted by the, you guessed it, Banks who need no Inquiry into their activities at all ever.

    But Malcolm has disagreed and they will be asked to Canberra for a chat with a Parliamentary Committee [and no doubt a dinner with someone of improtance] at least once a year.

    On the media horizon we have the changes to the Communications Act to allow all media forms to be owned by one and the limit on area covered to be zero.

    This has to be an abandonment of regulation, a move that the besser block would support, as it ends regulation. The exception being that you will still need a license, ensuring that only the approved mate will end up with control of mainstream information and thus be able to lord it over the political outcomes.

    However, allowing a free for all in banking is a no no. Where is the Uber or airbnb of finance. Opening that market to competition would change the field of fees and rates, the competition of the free market, as it has in other jurisdictions.

    Go on Malcolm, be a liberal, show leadership, and crush the media and banking monopolies.

    I remind you all that a trade agreement with Indonesia is an agreement with a country that runs a whole province like a prison. West Papuans have been denied justice ages and in modern times are run by a murderous cabal as a part of the Javanese empire.

    Not that we are pure in this respect, have treated the indigenous owners abysmally here we now move that treatment to offshore islands contracted out to our poor neighbors.

    You can be sure Turnbull will not go to Nauru with Shorten, he would be too offended and shamed.

    Going the rounds is a King Cronulla interview with malcolm where he has no answer for the Hansonite criticisms of foreign ownership. This weakness will be exploited by those concerned about the ethnicity of the owners, the same people who are concerned about the ethnicity of everything else unable to see that human behavior is essentially predictable and very few business owners will send themselves broke. they didn’t get there by being so stupid.

    If the Age of Abbott is over as Abbott reminds us why then the little picture man of far right issues opining here and there. Like a viper Tony is waiting for an opportunity.

    Lazarus Howard used every defeat to learn and if the opportunity arises he will be back, not quite the same outside and on the inside even worse as he is hater.

  24. Keith Antonysen

    August 14, 2016 at 11:25 am

    One very simple question needs to be answered in relation to the census muck up; what impact did reducing the budget of the Australian Bureau of Statistics have on the flawed census?

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