AN OPEN LETTER TO THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF THE TAMAR VALLEY: KRAFT PULP MILLS AND FUGITIVE ODOUR
I write to give you some of my experiences in dealing with fugitive odour from Australia’s two existing kraft pulp mills over the past 30 years.
I am one of very few Australian scientists who is not employed by a pulp and paper company, or an engineering consultancy, and who has direct experience of odour containment systems in kraft pulp mills and knowledge of the chemical properties and toxicology of the chemicals responsible for the odour.
I was intimately involved in commissioning the odour control system at Australia’s larger kraft pulp mill, Maryvale Mill, in the Latrobe Valley in Victoria, and I played a major role in reducing the level of odour at Tumut Kraft Mill in NSW, after the Scandinavian engineers who designed the system failed to make good their promise of ‘no odour beyond the mill boundary’.
Significantly for you, as residents of the Tamar Valley, one of those Scandinavian engineers, Mr Sven Lundgren, was employed by Gunns Limited to assist in designing the same section of its proposed kraft mill.
I was selected in early 2004 by the former Executive Director of the Resource Planning and Development Commission, Mr Julian Green, to join the joint Commonwealth-State RPDC advisory panel charged with updating the 1996 Commonwealth Guidelines for Bleached Eucalypt Kraft Pulp Mills and drafting the 2004 ‘Environmental Emission Limit Guidelines for any New Bleached Eucalypt Kraft Pulp Mill in Tasmania’.
In conducting that work, the RPDC contracted two eminent international pulp and paper technical consultancies, Beca AMEC of Vancouver, and AF Consulting of Stockholm to provide up to date information on the widest possible range of Accepted Modern Technologies in the kraft pulping industry worldwide.
Long before Gunns’ proposal was known to members of the RPDC advisory panel, in March 2004, one of the first significant pieces of advice the panel received from the odour experts in AF Consulting was:
‘There is no such thing as an odour free kraft mill – never promise such a thing.’
That advice is as valid today in 2010 as it was in 2004. Because the kraft pulping process uses the chemical, sodium sulfide to preserve the strength of the wood fibres during the pulping process, every tonne of pulp produced results in production of 20 – 30 kilograms of an unwanted by-product – a mixture of some of the most offensive and strong smelling organic sulfides known to science, in addition to hydrogen sulfide, or rotten egg gas.
In parts per billion concentrations in air, this mixture of gases causes headaches, nausea and exacerbates lung diseases such as asthma. At parts per million the gases are highly toxic and, at parts per hundred in air, the concentration range at which they typically occur in process vessels inside the mill, they are both lethal and explosive. For this reason all modern kraft mills spend many millions of dollars collecting well over 99% of this mixture (known as ‘foul gas’ by mill workers worldwide and as TRS (total reduced sulfur) by pulping technologists) and burning it to produce a mixture of carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide – both of which have almost no odour at the part per billion level in air.
After the foul gas has been efficiently collected from the many ‘point sources’ in a kraft mill, it must then be conveyed through many kilometres of pipework in order to take it to the furnaces in which it is to be burnt. It is in conveying the gas (and liquids that are saturated with it – called ‘foul condensates’) where problems inevitably arise. All pipework in mills is built from relatively short sections with flanges at each end that are used to bolt the sections together.
Gaskets, or seals, made from various rubber, plastic and ceramic compounds are placed between the metal pipe flanges to ensure no gas, or liquid leaks out at the join. Shafts of pumps and other equipment in the mill are sealed using similar materials. While all of these many thousands of gaskets and seals in each mill prevent gross leakage, the foul gas has the unfortunate property of permeating all useful gasket-forming materials. It usually takes around 12 months for these gaskets and seals to become fully saturated with the foul gas and, as this happens, tiny amounts of the gas diffuse into the atmosphere from thousands of pipe joins causing the so-called ‘fugitive odour’ that causes anger, frustration and illness in every community located close to a kraft pulp mill that has been inappropriately situated.
Typically a kraft mill will have no fugitive odour for 6 – 12 months and then start smelling worse and worse for decades after construction. In Victoria, the fugitive odour from Maryvale Mill – a mill that has a three tier odour
control system that is arguably more effective than Gunns’ proposal (as it incorporates an emergency flare stack to burn foul gas should the second incinerator ‘flame out’) – the fugitive odour can be detected as far afield as Warragul and Sale (respectively 42 km west and 55 km east of Maryvale) under the worst weather conditions.
This wide dispersion of fugitive odour is common in kraft mills worldwide and it was for this reason that the RPDC set the Regional Airshed for the Long Reach site as a an area 55 kilometres in radius centred on the proposed site for the main mill stack – and truncated on the western side, based on advice from the Bureau of Meteorology concerning prevailing wind directions and the blocking effect of the Asbestos Range.
Maryvale Mill produces kraft pulp (and therefore foul gas) at some 30% of the rate of Gunns’ proposal. Maryvale Mill started operation in 1939, but has had many upgrades since and can be considered a modern mill
from an environmental standpoint. Significantly in 2008, a senior officer of the Victorian EPA told me that: ‘On odour grounds alone Maryvale Mill would be refused EPA approval for construction today in the Latrobe Valley if it were a new greenfield project.’
In early 2005, following the acceptance of the Environmental Emission Guidelines by both the Commonwealth and State Governments and the winding up of the RPDC advisory panel, I was selected by the RPDC to be a member of the assessment panel for Gunns proposal.
Initially I was optimistic that Gunns would select the Hampshire site for their detailed Impact Assessment, as it was the sort of remote site for which the Environmental Emission Limit Guidelines had been framed.
When Gunns selected the much more environmentally challenging Long Reach site, all members of the panel were at pains to ensure that the people of the Tamar Valley were not adversely affected by the inevitable
fugitive emissions from the chosen site. To this end, Gunns was sent a letter by Julian Green in mid-2005 asking them to provide detailed information on how much odour they expected from fugitive sources and what measures they planned to minimise emissions in the Valley.
No satisfactory reply was ever received during my time on the panel.
This despite the fact that estimates should have been readily available based on experience at the Jinhai Kraft Mill on Hainan Island in China that started operations in 2004. Gunns staff had made a number of public statements about their proposal being very similar in size and process to the Jinhai Mill and had made frequent visits to the mill.
Some weeks after that letter was sent to John Gay, Gunns Project Manager, Mr Les Baker sought a meeting with the panel to outline Gunns’ plans for background air monitoring. At that meeting, the panel made the eminently reasonable suggestion that trials of odour diffusion be conducted in the Tamar Valley under the supervision of DPIWE.
Mr Baker flatly rejected the suggestion and claimed that, ‘The mill will not smell’.
When asked by the panel to provide a written guarantee to that effect, Mr Baker refused and became angry. As far as I am aware, to this day Gunns has never made any meaningful estimate of the likely impact of odours coming from anywhere other than their proposed main stack. Gunns stubbornly refuse to accept that these odours exist despite the fact that CSIRO, in their review of Gunns’ air monitoring, stated quite categorically:
‘As pointed out in CSIRO’s Review of A ir Quality A spects of Gunns Ltd
“Bell Bay Pulp Mill Draft Integrated Impact Statement, July 2006
(www.rpdc.tas.gov .au/__data/assets/pdf_file/70703/14 CSIRO Assessment
of Tamar Background Air Quality
CSIRO_ReviewOfGunnsDraftIIS_Final4Oct.pdf), a full assessment of
potential TRS impacts should also include the possibility of fugitiv e
emissions from the proposed mill.’
Visy Pulp and Paper published data in 2004 that showed that of the total odour output from Tumut Mill, LESS THAN 5% CAME FROM THE MAIN STACK – the other 95%, that caused over 60 complaints per month from residents living up to 8 km from the mill (in a valley that is sparsely populated by Tamar standards), was from fugitive sources close to ground level. Tumut Mill at the time was one sixth the capacity of Gunns’ proposal.
Increasingly throughout my period serving on the RPDC assessment panel I became concerned that Gunns staff did not have sufficient skills to manage a project of the size and complexity of their proposal. Important questions regarding other potential problems with the mill were also blatantly ignored, as were requests to put information forward in a form that could be easily assimilated and cross referenced by the RPDC and interested members of the public.
Indeed it seemed to me that Gunns had formed a view that they need only provide the RPDC with the information that they, Gunns, elected to divulge, rather than the information that the RPDC legitimately requested.
It therefore came as no surprise to me in February 2007, (following the resignation of Julian Green and myself on the recommendation of the Solicitor General) that Julian’s successor, Justice Christopher Wright, judged Gunns’ information to be ‘critically deficient in a number of important areas’.
Some advocates for Gunns’ proposal have claimed that French vineyards operate in harmony close to kraft pulp mills. Like much of the information put out by advocates for the mill, these claims are complete misrepresentations of the truth. The closest kraft mill to the Bordeaux region is 30 km away and is the subject of ongoing protests from local residents about pollution of local beaches. In the Rhone Valley, the Tarascon Kraft Pulp Mill had its odour problems upgraded to ‘code red’ in 2009 by the local authorities following the failure of the mill owners to reduce the odour emissions from the mill.
In summary, fugitive odour is the single worst impact experienced by MOST PEOPLE LIVING OR WORKING CLOSE TO A KRAFT PULP MILL.
In my opinion, the topography and climate of the Tamar Valley make it one of the worst possible places to site a large kraft pulp mill.
Gunns is arguably the least experienced pulping company in the world.
I urge you all to voice your concerns to your elected representatives and ask them to ensure that present and future generations of the people of the Tamar Valley do not have to spend the next hundred years enveloped in nauseating and irritating kraft odours.
Yours faithfully,
(Dr) Warwick Raverty
1st December 2010 Clayton South VIC 3169
TODAY – 1 December
FRIENDS OF THE TAMAR VALLEY INC
There will be a media conference today at 10.30 am outside the Council chambers in Civic Square Launceston, where visiting Pulp and Paper Mill industry expert Dr Warwick Raverty will outline why the Tamar Valley is possibly the worst location for the proposed Pulp Mill.
Dr Raverty will be releasing an open letter to businesses and residents outlining his concerns about odour impacts from the proposed Pulp Mill on the Tamar Valley.
Media are invited to attend and copies of the letter will be distributed at the media conference.
Dr Raverty is in Launceston to speak at the ‘No Pulp Mill’ public meeting which will be held this evening at the Tailrace Centre, 7.30 pm, Wednesday December 1st. All media are also invited to attend this event.
What?: Pulp and Paper expert Dr Warwick Raverty releasing open letter to businesses and residents of the Tamar Valley.
When?: Today – 10.30am, Wednesday December 1st 2010
Where?: Civic Square in front of Council chambers
Thursday:
No Mercury or ABC report … but here’s The Examiner’s Alison Andrews:
Gunns chief silent at meeting
BY ALISON ANDREWS CHIEF REPORTER
02 Dec, 2010 08:34 AM
GUNNS Ltd chief Greg L’Estrange was part of an audience of more than 500 at a Launceston no pulp mill meeting last night.
The managing director of the timber company that proposes building a $2.3 billion pulp mill at Bell Bay sat quietly through the two-hour public meeting as five guest speakers gave their reasons why the mill should not be built.
He stayed at the packed Riverside Tailrace Centre meeting room beside Gunns’ pulp mill spokesman Calton Frame and new Bell Bay pulp mill director Timo Piilonen as Launceston City Council Alderman Jeremy Ball and long-time pulp mill opponent Peter Cundall were given standing ovations.
He also listened as Tamar Valley resident and conservation lawyer Vanessa Bleyer outlined the legal tactics still available to fight the project.
Former Tasmanian Resource Planning and Development Commission panellist Warwick Raverty talked of the challenges of building an odour-free pulp mill and underwater photographer Jon Bryan presented a series of slides of Bass Strait marine life near the entrance to the Tamar River.
Alderman Ball said before the meeting that he was surprised at the size of the crowd.
“People say that the fire has gone out of the community against this mill but I don’t think so,” he said.
At the Tailrace …
john hayward
November 30, 2010 at 11:18
Hope you have invited the Roundtable duo of TWS/ET.
They are, after all, the ones who are contriving to (1) provide the sort of ostensible public approval that Gunns needs for FSC certification, and (2) Assume the odium that will be heaped on everything green from the employment losses that will flow from Gunns’ rapacity.
I didn’t think our woodchip bosses could outsmart anyone. TWS/ET almost certainly have selfish reasons for taking this path, but it’s baffling that anyone not on their payroll would support them.
John Hayward
Tony Wignall
November 30, 2010 at 11:19
Seems Greg L’Estrange will also be attending.
Rick and Anna Pilkington
November 30, 2010 at 14:11
The meeting will be simple and straight forward focussing on the proposed mill and the risks it poses to Tasmanians, our environment, economy and social fabric.
Many people have worked hard every day for the last 6 weeks to get this meeting up. It has been organised by Tamar Valley locals and its primary purpose is to give you and I – the forgotten stakeholders, an opportunity to express our opposition to the mill and make a show of strength.
The meeting is free, its for you, and we encourage everyone and anyone to come along.
Rick and Anna Pilkington
Gravelly Beach
Tamar Valley
Joseph Grainger
November 30, 2010 at 14:47
Well we certainly wouldn’t want to disappoint Warwick Raverty with a poor turnout as he’s come all the way from Victoria to be there.
Ookpik
November 30, 2010 at 15:15
It seems that we have had so many meetings of this type over the years………people are pretty worn out by it all when those who should listen don’t and those who should be our strongest supporters seem to be selling us down the river. Also, I don’t believe Greg Le Strange is any different from his predecessors – just a smoother package.
Ah well…..trot along for another wasted evening, I suppose!
NO PULPMILL
November 30, 2010 at 15:44
#5 How energetic Ookpik how energetic! You sound old and tired, your choice.
Remember what Peter Cundall stated over and over again on many places in Australia during the long years of this mad pulpmill war?
Sure you know, but if you would give up fighting for your children’s children future in the Valley, you did not listen or learned from Pete.
There is no way that we will give the mad woodchip crew the last laugh!
http://www.google.com/finance?q=ASX:GNS
With one voice: NO PULP MILL!
Tamar Tom
November 30, 2010 at 16:13
So you have invited Greg L’Estrange to the meeting, will he be given equal billing and time to respond to the 5 named speakers?
If not, why should he turn up to what is shaping up to be a one sided Gunns bashing frenzy?
If he is to be there surely it is only fair that he be given the opportunity to attempt to defend his company?
Or do you want him to stand on one side with his mouth taped over?
john hayward
November 30, 2010 at 17:15
Don’t know how my posting at #1 above got tacked to the Raverty article.
The remarkable thing about the whole pulp mill stink is not the brainless arrogance of Gunns, but the brutally stupid support it continues to receive from our supposed representatives in Parliament.
OK, so maybe Will is merely channelling Erich Abetz again, but he still has to wear shadow ministerial responsibility for it with Barty.
John Hayward
max
November 30, 2010 at 17:54
Gunns withdrew from the RPDC because the RPDC could not meet the time frame that Gunns required. It sounds reasonable until you realize that Gunns have only just given the requested information that was one of the reason for the delay, to the Commonwealth Scientists. Without this vital information what did our politicians make their decisions on.
Stephani
November 30, 2010 at 19:03
Dear Ookpik, not a wasted evening. We need to let Gunns, the Governments and potential JVP’s that we are still here, still concerned and not going away and why. Many people still believe that the Pulp Mill is a done deal, just waiting on money, and many believe that it has gone away. Neither is true and we still have the power to stop it. Gunns are saying that they almost have a “Social licence” for the mill. Maybe they think this is so because there has not been a lot of publicised concerns, no big rallies or huge protests for a while, guess we are all very tired after 6 years of this debacle. This war has now gone on longer than WW2, no wonder we are all a little jaded. So we invite you all to come along tonight to hear why the Tamar Valley Pulp Mill should not be built and show the pollies and Gunns that we are still fighting.
Mike Adams
December 1, 2010 at 00:40
Tamar Tom. If Gunns staff wish to have their say, let them hold their own meeting. Suitable venues may suggest themselves to our more cynical readers…
Justa Bloke
December 1, 2010 at 00:41
Didn’t see too many of the ET/TWS plantation-mongers at the meeting.
Did, however, hear Jeremy Ball say there should be no pulp mill anywhere – not Hampshire, not elsewhere in Australia, not in some Third World country. Is this Greens policy? If so, why don’t we hear it more often and from Bob Brown or Nick McKim? If not, will Jeremy suffer (eg by not getting the top Senate ticket spot when Bob retires, or second spot in Bass when the HA is expanded?) for stepping out of line?
Mike Adams
December 1, 2010 at 01:42
Noteworthy is this comment in a tourist guide to Arles, southern France.
‘We have to be truthful. Some days we have a pungent smell coming from the pulp mill in Tarascon, to the north of Arles.’
In fact Tarascon, mentioned in Dr Raverty’s article above, is some 15Km from Arles, and it is very rare for one French municipality to criticise another thus publicly. Obviously, the tourists to this ancient city are aware of the smell and business is hurting
Reactions
December 1, 2010 at 02:11
#11 Blogspot http://happychatter.blogspot.com/2010/12/no-pulp-mill.html
Wednesday, December 01, 2010
no pulp mill…
They say it takes thirty days to make a habit and… well… it seemed strange to just go to bed without blogging, so… here I am.
What a great evening. We went to a ‘no pulp mill rally’ tonight with a few friends and 550 other people. I’ve been a bit apathetic lately, so it was good to go and be inspired and clap and cheer and boo at the appropriate moments. And watch the reactions of the five Gunns employees sitting across from me (including the new CEO).
Stephani
December 1, 2010 at 13:39
I am glad that 3 of Gunns board members were at the No Pulp Mill meeting at the Tailrace last night. I hoped they listened and learned for their company’s sake as well as the residents of the Tamar Valley. BUT Greg this is NOT having dialogue with the community, it does not give you a “Social licence” just because you turned up. This mill will never get agreement from those of us who will have our lives, businesses, health and property values ruined by it. Listening involves more than just opening your ears, you need to take on board what we are saying.
Tamar Tom #7 – Greg Le Strange and other board members were personally invited to attend the meeting and to listen to our concerns and I am glad they did. As with the rest of the attendees they could have responded in question time as a number of people took the opportunity to.
If Gunns wishes to engage with the community then maybe they should organise a meeting such as this to let us know their concerns and educate us as to why we should think this mill should go ahead. It takes a lot of time and energy to put together a meeting like this and it was done to let Gunns, the Governments, poetntial JVP’s and Tamar Valley residents know why we still oppose this mill.
Michael
December 1, 2010 at 13:56
#16 – You just don’t get it do you? Gunns doesn’t need your OK. And 500 people clearly doesn’t speak for the ‘community’.
That spelt out enough for you?
Stephani
December 1, 2010 at 14:33
Michael, Gunns does need our OK as no JVP will touch them until they do. Doesn’t matter how much you are in denial and how much vitriol you spread about to try and negate our comments, guess what STILL NO MILL.
Rick Pilkington
December 1, 2010 at 14:43
Last nights meeting was organised in 5 weeks on a very small budget. ZERO advertising in the print and electronic media bar a very small one-off ad in the ex. No interest from the media in the lead-up, no free plugs or interviews at all.
Yet 520 people turned on a week night. There is no other issue in this state that pulls those numbers.
There will be more meetings and more actions.
They will focus fairly and squarely on the proposed mill and the risks it poses to our health, environment and economy.
We will very quickly kill off any notion of the possibility of a social licence.
Last nights meeting was the first blow.
The thing Gunns wants the most is the people to swing behind the project.
They dont have the people. We do.
We always have had and FTV, TAP, PTM and others will continue to mobilise the community against this project.
The sleeping giant has been roused.
Anne
December 1, 2010 at 14:44
#13 Justabloke, if I may correct you on this point. It was actually Peter Cundall – who in disagreeing with Warwick Raverty’s belief Hampshire should be the pulp mill site – said last night that the proposed pulp mill is so appallingly bad, and so fatally flawed, it shouldn’t be built anywhere. Not in Tasmania. Not in Australia. Not, indeed, anywhere in the world. So your criticism of Jeremy, Bob Brown, and Nick McKim, that suggests Greens policy is supportive of the pulp mill is both misplaced, and factually incorrect.
Michael
December 1, 2010 at 15:07
#18 – Vitriol? You’re joking right? Just pointing out some home truths for you, Steph.
Abigail Brennan
December 1, 2010 at 15:31
The real risk now is that West Tamar Council will hold their pulp mill elector poll in Oct 2011. The preamble info that each elector is given to read will have an against-Tamar-mill case written by Councillor Kearney who assisted Dick Adams Federal Lyons reelection effort and who also is in favour of Gunns’ lawyer Shaun McElwaine advising WTC on council matters relating to Gunns. The majority of West Tamar councillors are in favour of a Tamar pulp mill and will let Councillor Kearney do whatever he likes because they know that will suit them too.
What the 500 who attended at the Tail Race don’t realise is that so many Tamar Valley residents are not so well informed about the risks posed by the pulp mill. These people will just think about “the jobs” and how our northeast economy at the moment is sluggish. You’d realise that if you’re one of the people who have ever doorknocked or done random phone poll work in relation to the pulp mill. Unfortunately against-mill people tend to hang out with each other and not those ordinary run-of-the-mill Tamar Valley residents, and so have little idea of the true proportions of how many Tamar residents are dead-set against a Tamar pulp mill.
The Examiner of course does little to inform of the likely hazards and that makes things quite hard. Even the Mercury’s Sue Neales in one of her opinion editorials a month ago, was suggesting that maybe a Tamar pulp mill might be a deal to consider if it meant high conservation forest would be spared from the clear-fellers. So the print media now all seem to be assisting the pro-mill lobby.
Neil Smith
December 1, 2010 at 15:37
Whatever friend Michael (#17) likes to say, last nights meeting WAS a convincing demonstration of the lack of social licence for the Tamar Pulp Mill. And there will be plenty more such occasions.
If Michael, Greg L’Estrange or anyone else wants to demonstrate that a social licence exists it is up to them to organise repeated mass meetings and show that their proposal gets standing ovations. Without having to pay people to attend.
The fact that 520 people is a small part of the total population doesn’t demonstrate anything other than that the traditional stay-at-home and timid nature of Australians is alive and well.
It’s good that L’Estrange was there. Let’s hope he appreciates the validity of Jeremy Ball’s criticism of his (L’Estrange’s) idea that we should forget the past and move on. If Mr L’Estrange wants to put the past behind him he needs to tell the government to repeal the PMAA – to refuse to progress his mill based on current permits and put a new proposal to a new independent planning tribunal like the old RPDC.
Insist on a return to a level playing field. Otherwise, mate, whatever this company does is forever tainted.
Arnie Brand
December 1, 2010 at 15:41
Bob Brown on YouTube, says he supports a pulp mill subject to certain conditions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDJjrQjmEkM
Justa Bloke
December 1, 2010 at 17:11
#20 – My mistake, and I apologise for it. So those words were spoken by the person who got two standing ovations not just one.
I’m even more sorry because that means zero, rather than one, prominent Greens member to come out uneqivocably against any pulp mill, anywhere, using Tasmanian trees.
If that is too much to ask, could somebody who knows the reason for this silence please let us all know it?
Rod
December 1, 2010 at 17:58
#17&21; Keep it up Michael.
Your attitude sums up forestry and Gunns’ attitude. We can do what we like, where we like, when we like, regardless of public opinion and the effects on other peoples lives. This attitude has got the forest industry where it is today.
Ookpik
December 1, 2010 at 19:16
Unfortunately, the presence of the Gunns Big Cheeses signifies one thing – they believe they are ticking the “consulting with the community” box which will lead directly to the much needed “social license”. To believe otherwise is to be completely naive. I wouldn’t have invited them. Apart from that, a pretty good meeting.
Rick Pilkington
December 1, 2010 at 21:27
I can say with authority that Gunns made it abundantly clear to the organisers that they were coming to the meeting despite what was only a casual invite by an individual at the AGM.
Its a free country. You cannot stop people from attending public functions. You would make yourself look bad if you tried.
Personally i did not feel the least bit threatened, nor did those who bailed up the Gunns CEO and bawled him out.
Gunns will no doubt attend future protests, rallies and meetings.
Get used to it.
The battle for the media’s attention on the mill issue has changed for now.
Only a pessimistic and defeated mindset would make the leap that by Gunns attending anti-mill meetings they will achieve this mythical social licence.
If you believe that quit now.
As for the social licence.
It is for the sake of a potential investor or joint venture partner that want Gunns to have the community onside? This is the battle front that matters.
However do we really believe any company conducting due diligence and considering a billion dollar investment wont take notice of a large community turnout?
Will a potential billion dollar investor be satisfied (if they even exist) that Gunns mere attendance of anti-mill protest has swung community opinion toward the mill? I dont think so.
Right up to the last moments we never thought we would win the battle to the sway the ANZ from funding the mill.
But we did because the ANZ were taking notice. The ANZ recognised the risk that an unhappy community represents.
I doubt that most mill opponents feel threatened because Gunns are now fronting events.
Greg L’Estranges chummy facade will crack eventually as the pressure mounts. Don’t underestimate the capacity of a fickle media to turn.
Bob Kendra
December 2, 2010 at 00:40
How did Gunns Pulp Mill proposal get up steam and stick around? The coverage of the Tailrace meeting – or lack of it – holds the answer. I’m told here that the Mercury ignored it. I’m told the people’s ABC had the nerve to ignore it. The good old Examiner reported, but didn’t print anything anti-pulpmill. Instead, coverage was well and truly outweighed by reassurances from the ‘affable’ L’Estrange and other stories backing the industry status quo covering nearly two pages. I missed Southern Cross news, maybe someone here will fill us in? Tell me if I missed something on WIN TV? All I saw was more reassurances from Greg L’Estrange.
Funny how 520 people can leave their homes for an evening to protest the mill, but the outstanding Tasmanian media coverage is the views of Gunns Ltd. There you have it – the main reason that the mill has made the runs that it has.
Can anybody imagine the Tas media featuring the views of an environmentalist attending the Gunns AGM – without a word from Gunns? Not these days!
I’m not a member of any environment group, so I’m doing nobody’s bidding. What if I set up a protest meeting? I would just be asking for more sympathetic exposure for Gunns! Such is the state of Tasmanian journalism and the resulting outlook for the economy, environment and social cohesion.
There are only two ways we can hope to stop the mill. We should be able to stop it legally, but that means looking outside Tas. The other way is with media sympathy, and guess where it won’t come from!
Anyone for social media?
Karl Stevens
December 2, 2010 at 01:17
Forget Greg L’Estrange. Our REAL opponent is Timo Piilonen.
http://spectrum.andritz.com/archive/archive-online/iss_17/art_17_4.htm
As you can see, Timo works in partnership with Andritz. (already contracted to build the Bell Bay mill) Timo is on record saying a pulp mill is ‘a combination of industrial and political engineering’. If Timo is Senior Vice President of Metsä-Botnia, then why would he leave a successful Finish company to work for a busted Tasmanian company close to $1 billion in debt? Think about it. These are the real people building the mill and exploiting Tasmania. L’Estrange is nothing in the global picture. Timo also believes pulp mills don’t come without conflict, and the level of conflict here is insignificant. ‘Consultation’ does not mean ‘agreement’. They will never agree with the Tamar residents.
Brenda Rosser
December 2, 2010 at 04:00
Warrick Raverty: “In my opinion, the topography and climate of the Tamar Valley make it one of the worst possible places to site a large kraft pulp mill….”
Mr Raverty’s great understatement. There is NO place in the entire world to put chemically dependent monocultures let alone a machine to gobble them up. Is this deliberate, Mr Raverty? To focus on only one single piece of this industrial disaster?
Eisenhower’s warning from 1961 has come true.
“Crises there will continue to be….there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. … development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture…may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.
But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance… balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage — balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.”
Imbalance, frustration, disease, increasing impoverishment. That’s what has panned out with these mad and useless schemes. Subversive plots to use the rare pieces of good farming land in a hot and dry continent for disease prone single species industrial fodder crops.
Monoculture, monopoly, monomania, megalamania.
d.nicholas
December 2, 2010 at 10:32
As i was sitting and waiting for the meeting to begin someone behind me remarked that 685 seats had been put into position for the audience.
All those seats had bodies on them during the meeting and people were standing at the rear so i consider that venue was packed to capacity.
Each time a display of people opposed to Gunns stinking pup mill proposal gather the attendance is always understated, and i believe Wednesday evening was too.
Valleywatcher
December 2, 2010 at 11:13
You are so right Brenda, and I agree with all you say regarding monoculture plantations and the indiustrial disasters that are dependant on them.
However, in defence of Warwick Raverty, he IS a pulp/paper scientist and has never hidden the fact that his only real objection to the Gunns proposal was location. This is opposing the Gunns mill on very narrow grounds and as you and I and many other people realize this is the mere tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately, some of the ENGO’s and certain other groups (who simply won’t listen to any objective view on the disater that plantation establishment means on the ground) have bought this line and have all but delivered Gunns their much-needed “social license” for their mill…..not at Hampshire but in the Tamar Valley. There is NO OTHER PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE.
On the positive side, Gunns look and sound like a desperate company only just hanging on – I don’t think there is any JVP in the wings.
Steve
December 2, 2010 at 11:50
30; That’s so very true Karl. People tend to focus on this as a local battle. Possibly because it’s difficult to grasp the sums of money involved. A “billion” is as easily said as a “million”.
This mill proposal is really just a way to siphon a huge chunk of Australian money out of the country.
Baz
December 2, 2010 at 14:37
Karl #30, I’ve taken your advice and thought about “why would he leave a successful Finish company to work for a busted Tasmanian company” (referring to Timo Piilonen). The only answer that I can come up with is that he believes that the project is viable and not the money losing venture that you’d have us all believe.
But then again … what would he know?
Michael
December 2, 2010 at 15:03
#31 – “Subversive plots to use the rare pieces of good farming land in a hot and dry continent for disease prone single species industrial fodder crops.
Monoculture, monopoly, monomania, megalamania.”
Good to see you deriding the Agriculture industry for a change.
Why don’t they plant every second wheat row with carrots? Don’t they realise that aunything ‘mono’ is killing the human race? One wonders how we even got this far? Oh yeah thats right, by altering the environment in which we live to suit our needs.
Just like every other bloody species on this planet…
mez
December 2, 2010 at 18:11
#33 which engos and groups have delivered gunns a “social licence”?
could you name these groups and explain to me exactly how that has worked?
i’m curious as to which groups you think have sold you out?
also how do we know that gunns have “social licence” for the mill?
what does it look like?
is it like a drivers licence?
does someone post it to gunns or present it to them in an awards ceremony?
the concept of “social licence is very abstract.
if you go on community sentiment, as seen at the tailrace meeting, as expressed in the media etc then gunns are miles off winning the population over.
not even our biased media is saying gunns have a social licence.
so why be so alarmist?
VW did you go to the tailrace and add your voice to the 500 odd who said no to the mill?
Mike Bolan
December 2, 2010 at 18:26
#35 Baz, making money depends on who you are.
Tasmanian companies and whoever have to borrow over $2.5 bn to buy a pulp mill, then pay hundreds of millions each year to contractors to operate it.
Tamar residents property gets to decrease in value by up to 40% (it’s already happened in Rowella etc) and we get to pay off the debt with Tasmanian resources (land, trees and water).
Timo is on the receiving end of the cash trail.
Karl is on the paying end.
You should be able to work the rest out for yourself.
Karl Stevens
December 2, 2010 at 19:42
Baz 35. Agree. I will go further. Timo knows that those who will make money will be his Finish countrymen and his mates at Andritz. We all know Timo did not build the Fray Bentos mill to help Ecuador. I think we are in agreement on that.
Bill
December 2, 2010 at 20:41
#39….Correct ! Agree !.. no argument here….not Ecuador, but certainly Uruguay.
Karl Stevens
December 2, 2010 at 22:59
Bill 40. Any evidence of how Botnia has helped Uruguay?
Mike Adams
December 2, 2010 at 23:03
Hope many of you saw Stateline this evening. All three of our pollie leaders were directly asked if they supported Gunns Tamar Valley pulp mill. Hodgman said yes. Bartlett said yes. Both gave ‘investment and jobs’ as their reasons. McKim said ‘not in its present form, and were other mills to be considered they’d be assessed case by case.’
What is it with our lot? Is the 49% of functional illiteracy problem also present in our pollies. Haven’t they read the large volume of serious anti mill literature? Or are they posing their answers to please the 49%?
Don’t answer that…
animam bezal
December 3, 2010 at 11:31
#42, Mike: I actually think Nick McKim’s response on Stateline was pretty sensible. He’s not ruling anything so-far-unpresented out, until he sees the specifics. Personally as a mathematician and scientist, I try to do that as well. You should consider whether perhaps your application of logic is failing in a major way.
mike seabrook
December 3, 2010 at 12:10
thought that jobs were wanted in burnie
why are the people of burnie not demanding that the pulp mill be built in their back yard, or do they remember the industrial pollution around burnie that they have now largely escaped from with all the factory closures.
Adrian Bevis
December 3, 2010 at 15:41
The Examiner’s State of the State survey, http://www.examiner.com.au/specialfeature.aspx?id=4272
frames its question about the pulp mill in a very sneaky way which is bound to show majority support for a pulp mill in Tasmania without allowing survey participants to indicate that they oppose the Tamar siting of a pulp mill.
Sam Bradshaw
December 3, 2010 at 15:48
Gunns appear to be playing the brinkmanship game according to this latest ABC Online article from Felicia Oglevie:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/04/3084662.htm
Mike Adams
December 3, 2010 at 21:15
#44. I suspect that McKim was trying to distance himself from the ‘Greens are anti everything and cause job losses’ mantra repeated ad nauseam in our media – especially in the letters to the Ex; nonetheless it’s high time that the Greens and Wildos etc came out publicly and loudly to state that never would a pulp mill be built in the Tamar Valley. As it is we get the forthright “NO’ from Kim Booth, and the weaselling words from McKim.
The shilly shallying around the whole ‘a’ pulp mill affair is doing electoral harm to the Greens and furthering heavy criticism of the ENGOS.
Karl Stevens
December 4, 2010 at 01:49
Sam Bradshaw 47. That Felicity Ogilvie interview with Greg L’Estrange does nothing for his credibility.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/04/3084662.htm
L’Estrange is rambling, appears to take every available position on logging native forests, and comes across as somebody who enjoys being incoherent.
Gunns have been talking about being ‘100% plantation based’ for nearly a year now, so what has the ‘peace plan’ got to do with it? Nothing.
Youre the ones who need the FSC stamp Gunns, so why bring a whole lot of ENGO and Green-left baggage along for the ride?