This story stopped me in my tracks. It gave me an insight into the Tasmanian forestry issue that is that the positions – Anti forestry vs. Pro Forestry- is like our race issue. Too look at the issue as pro and anti forestry or industry vs Greenies is a lazy analysis of a situation that is more complex and really about values. To see it through the old for and against lens and characterise people like that is to miss the complexity of what lies behind peoples’ actions.
A PARABLE of the broken community that found a way to mend itself.
I’m going to draw on a story tonight I first heard told to me a few years ago by a bloke called Don. Don is a big loud Texan. Don told me and about a dozen other people about the story of a broken community that had been split down the middle, that had seen systematic violence, jailings, public debate characterised by hatred, murder and bloodshed. It was a community that despite all this had found a way forward – improbably, against the odds, it has emerged, shakily, but nevertheless emerged and is now finding its way in the world.
That place is South Africa.
It struck me that the story was a parable, teaching us how we might think about our own island and its divisions, a parable for our place, our island and what it is and what it could be. As I listened to Don tell the story of what happened in South Africa and how I saw in it parallels to Tasmania and the forestry issue. Don Beck is a psychologist who had trained in conflict resolution. Late in his career he came across the work of another psychologist called Graves.
Graves’ work focussed on looking at people and society through the lens of values they held and how these changed as individuals and groups and even societies adapt culturally in response to our life circumstances and challenges—what Don calls Life Conditions. Graves and Beck talk of 8 stages. These are helpful in allowing people to see behind positions to underpinning values. It’s important to remember that frameworks like this are just frameworks. They help us see reality but are themselves just that a tool not reality. With that caveat in mind let’s look at their thinking and then I’ll come back
to Tasmania.
Graves actually described an ever widening spiral – like a helix – they gave the stages colours to make them easier to talk about in South Africa – and get away from the black and white notion:
• The first is about Survival; satisfying instinctive urges.
• The second I heard Don call Tribal. Concerns with the spirit, ancestors; protection from harm; family bonds.
• The third is about the self -Power/action; asserting self to dominate others; control; sensory pleasure.
• The fourth is about Stability/order; obedience to earn reward later; meaning; purpose; certainty.
• The fifth is about Opportunity and entrepreneurialism /success; competing to achieve results; influence; autonomy.
• The sixth is about Harmony; joining together for mutual growth; awareness; belonging.
• The sixth is about Independence/self-worth; fitting a living system; knowing; good questions.
• The final level they described is about Global community; survival of life on Earth; consciousness.
Importantly too, it’s not that people, groups or communities move “up” and leave behind what’s “below”, it stays with them in their cultural DNA. That explains why I can be worried about global climate change, be entrepreneurial and ridiculously “tribal” in my longsuffering, irrational support of St Kilda Football Club. It’s all part of my cultural DNA. What the idea of the Spiral is always focusing on are the causative dynamics created by the Life Conditions and then the kinds of coping mechanisms and collective intelligences that are forged in response to those conditions.
Beck took this thinking to South Africa – off his own bat – and by various means found himself advising three players – Buthelezi, De Klerk and Mandela. His advice to them was simple and profound. He said the issue in South Africa was not about race, about black and white but about different cultural values. It was a new lens.
One piece of advice to Mandela was to stop talking about black and white, and that if he kept doing that the Afrikaners would never come peacefully to the table. Instead they had a deep-seated cultural DNA that was about entrepreneurialism and improvement – the next step for them in the framework Graves and Beck were using was about broader community and concensus – Mandela had to frame the
conversation with them about the value of moving to that next stage. Mandela had to talk to where the Afrikaners were at – about economic security of the new South Africa. This Mandela did and it was no accident that Don was personally thanked in the new South African parliament.
This story stopped me in my tracks. It gave me an insight into the Tasmanian forestry issue that is that the positions – Anti forestry vs. Pro Forestry- is like our race issue. Too look at the issue as pro and anti forestry or industry vs Greenies is a lazy analysis of a situation that is more complex and really about values. To see it through the old for and against lens and characterise people like that is to miss the complexity of what lies behind peoples’ actions.
I asked Don what he did in South Africa and he talked about a number of initiatives – some independent and some overlapping that were taken in South Africa. I want to talk about those in the hope of
prompting a discussion of what it might mean in Tasmania. The first is to map and understand the values that are being played out. What is really behind what people are saying? What is the cultural map of the issue – what’s likely to cause a person or group to shift from where to where? This is interesting for us – what’s really happening when a contractor talks about forestry or the bush. What’s behind the views of the Still Wild Still Threatened people in the Florentine?
His second insight was that you have to find ways to bring the middle together. He said in South Africa (or read Tasmania) you could see people as being at every position from irreconcilable adversaries (the flame throwers) all the way to people who are only a hairs breadth apart. Beck said the middle was where change came from but they would be attacked viciously by their own if they moved to find middle ground. He said they had to come together, in safety and if necessary in secret to map society and create a future. A story here is worth telling. I once met a young NW Coast Forester on a while we were both camped in SW Tasmania under the walls of Federation Peak. We spent hours talking. He told me of his concerns with forestry. He also told me that if he said anything inside Forestry
Tasmania he’d be finished. Likewise, I heard a member of the environment movement once say that he could not be seen to be moving towards a compromise on forestry or his position would be under threat.
His third insight is that you need to create an irresistible future that people hold in common. Again this is simple but powerful. The thinking is not new that when you bring that middle together they will have far far more in common than they hold different and those differences or tensions can be lived with.
His fourth insight was the need to then reframe the conversation and initiatives around values not positions. Two things are important here – language and where you start.
• IN South Africa Mandela talked to Afrikaners about their ability to get on and succeed in a new South Africa. IN Tasmania we have two discussions one about forests and one about the bush. It strikes me as interesting. Growing up on a farm on the NW Coast we talked about Bushies and never the forest.
• On the second issue of where you start, Beck points to a law. People don’t skip levels. They move one stage from where they are – My uncle Mafeking Carter (named for the relief of Mafeking interestingly) was a poacher, trapper, footballer and legendary bushman. He was mates with Ossie Ellis and knew Weindorfer. He built one of the first trapping huts on the vale of Belvoir. He mined for tin. He was famous for his love of the birds and bush. I reckon he might have hated greenies. There would have been no point talking to Maf about Green issues, but talk about the bush and his grandkids and I reckon he might have been there with you.
A final insight Don talked about was that the people in South Africa needed to be “inoculated” against the language of division. As the move towards coming together starts to happen and threaten power balances then those with a vested interest in the division use language to frighten people and sustain a divide. They need to be educated about this, what the words really mean. The word greenie has come to be a pejorative that is wielded with terrible precision. Similarly red neck and Bogan are thrown around with abandon but belittle the reality of where people are at that are characterised in that way.
Our community needs to understand what people are doing when they use those words. That they are seeking to divide, to obscure.
So, this I believe is our challenge. To find a way to bring our community to a new place, to find the future we want, to find the common ground that is there already and with that forge a New Deal that can underpin the way we use our forest resource and live in the bush. All it will take is for people of good will, courage and wisdom to start the journey.
Gerard Castles
University of Tasmania
November 3, 2009
Mike Bolan
November 4, 2009 at 11:46
Why not find that new place by causing forestry to adhere to the free market instead of subsidising them to the extent of hundreds of millions of dollars per year?
All so that they can destroy whole ecologies to make wood chips?
I submit that there are better uses for the money like health and education. Any forestry jobs gained are offset by the ecological destruction and the losses of budget in other portfolios.
Stephan
November 4, 2009 at 12:20
Gerard. Nice article. A little wordy but nice. I myself am somewhat of a cynic. My response to your article is simplicity in itself. To first address a problem you have to admit you have one. Neither side seems willing to do so at this stage.
John Biggs
November 4, 2009 at 12:57
Seems reasonable enough, until you realise that the left-middles, the middle-middles, the right-middles and much of the so-called the left are already in agreement over many issues: a halt to old growth logging and those foul regeneration burns, to stop the pulp mill from despoiling the Tamar, to ensure due and proper process on environmental and development issues, to rein in the pernicious effect that Federal’s poker machine monopoly has on the public, to enact euthanasia laws … the list is long. It’s the minority on the right – the two major parties, the CFMEU (in Tasmania) and certain big corporations – that ignores the public will and enacts legislation that benefits only those in their inner circle.
We saw at that same meeting how far an appeal to join in the middle will go. In answer to a question about why Green-hatred is fostered Barry Chipman shouted irrelevant statistics (until he was ruled out of order) that appeared to have the function of fostering Green-hatred. No meeting in the middle there.
The problem is a structural one: those in power do not represent the public interest.
Dave Hobart
November 4, 2009 at 18:53
I think the postings in response prove your point rather well.
I grew up in Yourkshire where we had many sayings and homilies one of which I recall now, “All world’s mad save thee and me mate, an am non so sure about thee”.
Good luck to rational postings in the TT in one day I think the world is ending.
Mark Poynter
November 4, 2009 at 19:48
Gerard,
A thoughtful article, but I believe somewhat niave. Your thoughts do though remind me of the underlying premises that kindled the trialling of Community Forest Management in the Wombat Forest in central Victoria from about 2001 – 2006 ….. an experiment that ultimately failed, but more on that later.
You are right in ascribing greater complexity to the community division over forests than how it is popularly portrayed. Yes, personal values play a part, but I believe it is more accurately characterised as a division between ideas and pragmatism.
The ‘greens’ (for want of a better term) are hooked on simple ideas (ie. lets ‘save’ all forests from logging) but (generally speaking) care little about the complex practicalities and consequences that will arise from their implementation (ie. more timber imports, greater use of steel, job losses).
Their opposite numbers actually support many of the same ideas (ie. they also don’t want forests to be destroyed), but (by dint of working in those forests) have a far more practical and pragmatic appreciation of what is occurring in them, their resilience, and their own place in the wider scheme of resource use and conservation. They have been forced to become knowledgable about these things because it is really the basis of their defence against constant attacks to their livelihood.
The ‘green’ message has hardly changed in 30 years, in fact it has probably grown stronger despite the huge changes made to forest management during this time. In Victoria, for instance, the public forest within which sustainable timber production is a permitted use has fallen by 70% over the past 23 years due to progressive political and scientific land use determinations. Yet the anti-forestry campaigns continue.
So, the forestry/timber industry side of the division has been forced to compromise repeatedly (addmittedly far more on the mainland than in Tasmania) over a long period, whilst the ‘greens’ have virtually not modified their primary demand at all despite the many concessions that they have won.
This suggests that (at least) the ‘dark greens’ at the forefront of the opposition to forestry are so hooked on the idea of totally closing the timber industry that they have lost any sense of reason – yet, being reasonable is the key to negotiating any compromise on forests.
The other side are also now unreasonable because years of experience of anti-forestry campaigns have told them that their opponents will accept no compromise. They also have the additional fear of losing their livelihoods.
Which brings me back to Community Forest Management (CFM) in the Wombat Forest. This was an attempt to encourage the local community to develop a participatory model that would allow them (rather than the state government) to dictate how the 70,000 ha Wombat State Forest would be managed. A rider to this was that the small local timber industry had to survive in some form.
The forest had a 150-year history of timber production and supported several small sawmills harvesting a small sustainable yield from just a 26% portion of the forest. The rest of the forest was already contained in various parks and reserves, or was unsuitable for timber.
The area had endured years of anti-logging activism and the government wanted a solution.
The CFM community council sought to find a middle ground. Many of those opposed to the timber industry were actually moderates
who were keen to allow the sawmills to continue on a smaller harvest specifically targetted at developing a high value timber products ‘cottage’ industry whilst providing firewood for the community (woodchipping was immediately stopped).
To cut a long story short, the ‘dark greens’ who had led the campaigns against timber production prior to the CFM trial could not accept any compromise that would allow the timber industry to continue even in an attenuated form on a much smaller scale.
Progressively, the ‘dark greens’ won out over the moderates, and timber harvesting slowed to a trickle. The two remaining small sawmills were forced to close and the CFM trial essentially failed as a mechanism for resolving the forests debate – unless you call the total demise of the industry as a resolution.
Sadly, the total closure of the industry is the only acceptable resolution for the most influential ‘dark greens’ and it seems that this will always trump the wishes of the ‘light greens’ who may well be more predisposed to accept some ongoing timber production. It is hard to see this changing whilst the formal policies of the major environmental groups continue to call for total industry closure.
phill Parsons
November 4, 2009 at 22:17
Methinks only 1 side sees it as broke and if it ain’t seen as broke the other side will not want to fix it.
john hayward
November 4, 2009 at 22:51
Cut the shit, There’s nothing complex about what’s happening in Tasmania nor about the grubby perpetrators.
John Hayward
Brian.M
November 5, 2009 at 07:24
Gerard, your article makes sense in a perfect world. Alas , we are in the one we have got. For this process to begin, there needs to be a willingness to end the division. So far, many of those who speak or write of ‘moving forward’ are really meaning, ‘become like us, join our side of the fence’. I for one, am not willing to compromise with the blatant capitalist greed, pure greed, dollar signs and shareholders placed above the wellbeing of REAL communities and the local environment. I’m not interested in tokenistic compromises, lines in the sand that move like those of a snake crossing a dune. To end divisiveness, there needs to be a level playing field, not one-sided political objectives that correspond to corporate commercial enterprise. I don’t see much common ground , which ever way the language is spun. Perhaps there are is no common ground? My life wouldn’t alter an iota if there was zero forestry industries in Tasmania. Zilch, nothing. If anything I’d get more work! I couldn’t care less if John Gay suffers a bit of phallic graffiti or depression, he can afford to move to the mainland on some proposed Ralph’s Bay esque canal estate and buy himself a collection of Ferraris to compensate himself for his lack of self esteem. My heart bleeds custard for the creep!
As for the major political parties, I see their ongoing track record as abhorrent. If the state labor party was a dog I’d have shot it long ago to put it out of misery.
Nice process Gerard, but we need a truly representative government, that has a bit more intelligence and integrity than the present one, to make this dream a reality.
Warrick Jordan
November 6, 2009 at 12:39
A conversation well worth having.
Interestingly, many of us who are generally characterised or derided as being on the inflexible, radical end of the conservationist spectrum hold more sympathy for those we find ourselves in confrontation with than that held by other parts of the conservation movement that are not so readily described as radicals , terrorists, green extremists etc.
Admittedly we put ourselves there out of a lack of alternatives and this perpetuates a situation some of us often dont see as desirable or helpful.
I sometimes find myself believing that we can ‘all just get along’ and that much of the conflict-generating activity and rhetoric should be dispensed with if we are to get anywhere.
Reality often dictates however that any quarter given to the forestry industry will result in an unfair advantage being taken by the industry, and that too much engagament is asking to be stabbed in the back. Unfortunately the pre-eminence of the Gunns/FT/TCA combine also largely eliminates meaningful enagagement with other sectors of the industry and forestry communities.
Personally I abhor the black and white discourse, and the neglection of the grey areas and commonalities. The mutual mistrust and constant seeking of advantage,however, isn’t conducive to exploring any middle ground ( assuming possibly naively that that middle ground does actually exist somewhere.)
There are also inherent difficulties in communicating any grey areas though limited media coverage. There is a distinct danger in offering a soundbite that says, for example, ” we offer qualified support for FT in this situation, however they should apply this initiative across their entire estate”. Its quite possible you will only get quoted on the first line, thus you end up as a cheersquad for something with which you have significane disagreement.
Contrary to popualar belief frontline forest activists are generally really uncomfrotable with being in conflict with people in their own communities. I find it absolutely mind boggling that some (industry, conservationist, or otherwise) beleive that people involved in stopping other people from going to work and otherwise pissing off working people actually like doing this(shaking head whilst typing).
The more conversations like this the better, though I have trouble imagining Ken Jeffries and Bob Gordon sitting at Melville Street and saying, “you know, those guys down at the Huon Valley Environment Centre arn’t so bad after all. Maybe we should have a chat to them to find out what they actually think rather than judging by soundbites and pre-conceptions” . Maybe Ken will prove us wrong. Maybe we will prove ourselves wrong.
William Boeder
November 6, 2009 at 21:34
At the end of the day it all goes back to corporate greed.
Why must these shareholders demand high returns at the ‘resource expense, of those whom wish to live with nature and watch the world continue in its timeless form?
As for jobs, why must these be given the great and foremost hurrah when these jobs are specifically toward the death of ecosystems wildlife and wholesale Ancient Forest destruction?
Given that the products ‘harvested’ by Forestry Tasmania, (a most polite term for clear-felling,) are done so for the unscrupulous company of Gunns Ltd, (couldn’t we call that Greeds Un-Ltd,) to further the interests of speculating investment-hunters, whom care not from where or how their pro-destructive earnings are created.
Why must Tasmania accommodate such as these fortune-hunting pirates, with their falsity claims of “we’re given you people jobs”?
All and any industry that has as its prime purpose, the destruction of life and slaughtering of our natural indigenous flora and fauna, in my estimation, is certainly not an industry that should gain so much government support northe massive subsidations as so given.
Forestry in its present form in Tasmania is an evil ugly pursuit that serves only greedsters and pirates.
Gerard Castles
November 9, 2009 at 17:55
Well I’m enjoying the online conversation.
Am I naive – no. Am I hopeful – you bet. Very interesting to see (By chance I think) conversations starting what has previously been a divide. This is the start. OUr own issues are complex but I bet people were saying it was naive to think South Africa would emerge without bloodshed and that the Wall would come down.
The start is for people to listen and talk. If we can do that in an open honest and safe way we’ll find a way to live with the inevitable tensions that come with natural resource management.
Bosbouer
November 29, 2009 at 16:42
Gerard,
Your premise is flawed. The parallels you draw between South Africa and the Tasmanian forestry issue/storm-in-a-teacup exist only in your mind and are not only patronising but dangerously naive.
Mandela is long gone but his legacy remains – and not the one popularly imagined.
Where are you now Don Beck? You got it wrong.