THE majority of Tasmanians probably don’t know it exists but those in the media and politics certainly do — and it’s won a couple of awards and been written up in The Australian newspaper.
It’s the website tasmanian times.com.
The aim of this site — that it “exists to be a forum of discussion and dissent, a cheeky, irreverent challenge to the mass media’s obsession with popularity, superficiality and celebrity” — is one that’s rarely met.
There is nothing feisty about it. It is self-absorbed and boring, the antithesis of what a challenger to the established print medium ought to be.
Why does it matter? Because, as the owner of this newspaper Rupert Murdoch rightly noted earlier this year, people are turning increasingly to various forms of internet media for the news and information they want.
“We need to realise that the next generation of people accessing news and information, whether from newspapers or any other source, have a different set of expectations about the kind of news they will get, including when and how they will get it, where they will get it from and who they will get it from,” he told a conference of American newspaper editors.
See: Rupert wakes up to Tasmanian Times
However, if you’re a Tasmanian who wants to find a reliable internet source of information, views and ideas about your state and what’s happening in it, oldtt.pixelkey.biz will not help you.
In contrast to other Australian sites, such as Australian Policy Online and onlineopinion (I am a director of the company that owns onlineopinion), which are diverse and intellectually engaging, oldtt.pixelkey.biz seems stodgy and complacent.
Like many writers in the state, I have written for oldtt.pixelkey.biz and had articles I’ve had published elsewhere republished on the site; I have participated in the online argument and commentary section of the site.
However, I’m always left wondering “Why bother?” There’s a cricket team of individuals who dominate the site. Nearly all have a similar world view: that Tasmania is corrupt, dominated by conspiracies and that Bob Brown will save us all one day when he ascends to the green heaven.
Let’s take the fellow who calls himself “phill PARSONS”. Here’s the opening paragraph of Mr Parsons’ latest offering, published on June 7:
“Suddenly realising that there is at least a changing climate, perhaps even a looming global emergency, but no, not a crisis, never that, all sorts of reverse and rear-end lights are mouthing on about some need for clean electrical energy”.
One assumes Parsons means to tell us there is a debate about energy sources, given the climate change crisis. Then again, maybe not. His opening paragraph is as clear as mud.
Then there’s the character known as “The Hag”. Here’s the contributor’s breathless story of May 19 this year:
Hag, shambolically reminiscing on great carousings past, was staggering around the top end of Paterson St, Launceston last week when she thought she saw the eminent Apologist For All Things Forestry, Mont, and former Chief Media Harasser for the Bacon Government, Kenny, heading towards The Examiner building”.
See: Mont, Kenny and The Examiner eulogy
Talk about keeping it all in-house. Who the hell are these people? I mean, I know — but does the average reader?
The dominance of forestry on the website is its downfall.
Every day (almost literally) there is some person somewhere ranting about Gunns, Forestry Tasmania, the Lennon Government, chemicals in the water, Recherche Bay, log trucks disturbing their kids’ sleep, smoke from forest fires or logging. Rarely is there any attempt made by the site to balance the anti-forestry tirades or to check their accuracy.
Then there’s the comments section. Here, for example, is Mr Paul De Burgh Day, a regular commentator on the site, on the state of Tasmanian democracy:
“Politics anywhere on this darkening planet is all too often dismal in the extreme. Tasmania has to be near the bottom of a slops filled bucket”.
Oh, please! Tell that to the people of North Korea, any number of Middle Eastern countries or to those who suffer daily at the hands of megalomaniacal African dictators.
Tasmanians have more politicians and levels of government than they can poke a stick at and the media are as accessible as anywhere in this country.
The site’s layout is dull, uninspiring and reflects the paucity of meaty content that gets uploaded on to it. In an aesthetic sense, the layout is also a poor reflection on the state’s presumed creative capacities.
Tasmanians who seek sources of news, information and entertainment — in addition to the three newspapers that serve the island — deserve better than the myopic and clubhouse style banter of oldtt.pixelkey.biz.
It might have started its life as a good idea but it has failed for lack of editing, new voices, new issues and decent writing.
This is re-published with permission of the author, and the Editor, from The Mercury, Monday, June 20.
nudger
June 21, 2005 at 03:27
Gregory,
Gird the loins son, you’re just about to become a propagandist for Gunns, Murdoch, all the other great Satans.
These barnstorming insults are as predictable as Shane Warne having a stray root and getting caught by the London tabloids.
I think the Hag is rather enjoyable by the way but do agree with you about the incessant forestry doom and gloomists without the talent of a Flanagan to bring the subject alive.
The attempts of Prince of Darkness et al to bring some liveliness to recent debates have all been met with that fine retaliation — insults.
You’re point about Tasmania’s society being as open as any is well made, but not enjoyed much by those who want to foist their own views on the majority and get all frazzled around the edges when the majority says, in true democratic style, get stuffed.
There is no single saviour, not even the great Flanagan, except ourselves. And looking around the place, the drop in unemployment, the new developments, we aren’t doing that bad a job. Not that we can be complacent. Tasmaniantimes is/was all about rooting out complacency. But like so many other good things, it has perhaps allowed itself to be overtaken by the disgruntled, the voluntarily disenfranchised who choose to live on the fringes and complain when not everyone chooses to join them.
Perhaps the legendary, award winning, Mr Tuffin needs to be a bit more discerning, a bit more adventurous in the way of a true editor by trimming the tedious, the repetitive and the desperately self-serving who have been tossed out of everywhere else … and for good reason.
They’re boring and as predictable as one of Warnie’s stray roots rather than his flipper.
So come on all you fine Tasmanian writers … put finger tips to keyboard and let’s perform the rescue mission NOW!!!!!
Otherwise this denizen of Murray Street who loves nothing better than to see the senior bureaucrats running about in a flap will have to return to the less exciting world of writing letters to The Mock under a dud name.
Brenda Rosser
June 21, 2005 at 04:40
I think you’re a little confused, Mr Barnes.
When you said:
“The dominance of forestry on the website is its downfall.
You would be more accurate to say:
“The dominance of forestry in Tasmania is its (the State’s) downfall.
By the way I stopped reading ‘online opinion’ because it’s a very conservative and unimaginative publication as a rule. And it’s interesting to note that most of the published writers are provided with incomes to facilitate their keyboard tapping verbosity.
The Tasmanian Times allows the ordinary citizen to be heard. That’s the essential and important difference.
Further, you talk about being stodgy and complacent. When I pointed out that Tasmania was suffering the consequences of years of poor management, human rights abuses and political opportunism and stupidity…” — your major stated concerns at the time- you didn’t respond. See: http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php/weblog/comments/world-class-forestry
-practice/
Why not? Are these issues only relevant to you when the word ‘forestry’ fails to appear in this context?
Simon Rolfe
June 21, 2005 at 06:22
Gee Greg (Or at least that is what you call yourself) , perhaps the reason forestry is so over represented on Tas times website is because forestry is THE issue in Tasmania?
Poor Greg, unable to see beyond the end of his anti-green nose.
Wake up to reality Greg, the Liberals dumped you, and The Democrats don’t want you back. You’re left alone to whinge your rabid anti-green propoganda in the Murdoch press, whilst the rest of us mere mortals have to make do with the only free press left in Australia.
Keep up the good work Tasmanian Times.
If you’re pissing Greg off, you must be doing something right.
Barnaby Drake
June 21, 2005 at 07:24
The Editor,
The Mercury
My name is Barnaby Drake and I am a frequent contributor to the Tasmaniantimes website. While forestry does dominate many of the columns there, it is unfair to claim that it has a fixation on these issues.
But in it’s defence, it must be remembered that this is the TASMANIAN Times and does not make a pretence at being an international forum of comment.
It is there to counteract some of the unwillingness on the part of the local press to print or give prominence to anything that is at all anti-establishment.
When the editor of one of the major papers is promoted to being chief adviser to Paul Lennon, you can understand the problem, and when he further disseminates palpably incorrect information on forestry practices, (Clear felling is really there to benefit the fine wood industry) then there needs to be somewhere where this can be rectified.
I examined your own website at opiniononline and found that out of the fifty one headings for articles on your front page, not a single one was on the subject of Tasmania.
In contrast, five out of the fifteen articles on the Tasmanian Times site dealt with matters other than Tasmania, so one starts to wonder what is the justification for your complaint?
It is only a small voice crying for the wilderness.
Barnaby Drake
Golden Valley
Cumquat May
June 21, 2005 at 12:57
Greg Barns … bile for breakfast, lunch and tea.
Who IS he anyway? This self-appointed critic of everything outside his own hard-line view of the world.
Greg, I feel sorry for you. Waking up every day, as you must, eating a bowl full of bile for breakfast, and working out who’ll you spray that day.
And, when you come across real talent, like Richard Flanagan, you make it your mission to tear it down. It’s so transparently about your own insecurities.
What a life.
Unlike you Greg, the people who contribute to http://www.oldtt.pixelkey.biz are not paid to express their opinion. They need this website, as do many of us from time to time, to reassure ourselves democracy still breathes in Lennongrad…
eddie Storace
June 21, 2005 at 14:13
Long live media diversity, long live tastimes and long live Greg Barns.
May Greg, like the aforementioned, live a long, fruitful and productive life while bringing joy, tears and laughter to my life every week.
If only the Libs, the Dems and even the ABC could realise what they’ve lost when they shunned him. But hey, their ‘loss’ is our gain.
Just think, if Greg’s talents were corralled by those guys we would have heard a controlled, rehearsed script, devoid of any sense of individuality and independent political punditry, beholden to the mundane and myopic. It’s Greg’s attack on his own ‘qualities’ that makes it all so much better!
As for forestry? Well, now there’s a thing!
Lots of love
Eddie storace
Frank
June 21, 2005 at 18:21
“On the eave of destruction”
“The dominance of forestry on the website is its downfall.” … G.B. said
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Don’t get the terms wrong, over the years you complain about all these Trees, trees, trees, now about the “dominance of forestry”.
It is actually the dominance about forest clear cut mining Greg.
Our generation may still be able to turn things around, the spiral however is not looking all so promising.
Barry Chipman is now the voice for John Gay, a trained and financed defender of CPCA the new “Chip & Pulp Communities Australia” … his cool performances in the news tonight, trying to calm the debate down.
The mature forests will suffer.
Greg, you better believe it, this state’s political and industry leaders are still on the same old downhill track, insisting to “have a right” to do it for $$$, thus repeating similar mistakes of other countries before us. Why?
Let’s make Tasmania the place that gets it right.
Our children’s children will benefit from a change in direction.
Thanks to Lindsay Tuffin, the internet and many others in global community, can we make some people around the world aware of the situation and opportunities on this little, unique Island.
“You still don’t believe we are on the eave of destruction?”
Our children’s children will still benefit from quality of this website.
Frank
PS: To confirm my claim, try http://news.google.com.au/news?hl=en&ned=au&q=Chipman
Pulp mill stoush breaks out in Tasmania
ABC Online, Australia – 8 hours ago
…One person who will talk, however, is Barry Chipman from Timber Communities Australia. … BARRY CHIPMAN: This whole thing’s a beat-up. …
Gunns urged to explain pulp mill changes ABC Online all 5 related
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1396988.htm
Simon Rolfe
June 22, 2005 at 04:43
“It is the fault of the stupid, ignorant, arrogant and fanatical correspondents who continue to take advantage of the hospitality of the owner”
Gee Geoff you wouldn’t be counting yourself as one of the stupid, ignorant, arrogant and fanatical corros would you?
What a totaly rude, ignorant and crap article, punctuated by some of the worst name calling due to a lack of argument that I have ever seen.
A totally poor effort from the corrospondent.
But it does go to show that TT does publish a range of views and quality of articles …
Luke M
June 22, 2005 at 06:49
It’s a credit to the editor and some regular contributors that as an independent media outlet, Tasmanian Times is now held in such high regard that its very content is the subject of critical analysis in the State’s premier newspaper.
However, Barnes’ comments are partly accurate in that the site is perhaps at risk of becoming a caricature of itself. That is, a legitimate media outlet dominated by the biased interests of a minority elite who are using the forum as a vehicle to drive their at best, extreme, and at worst, downright offensive, views of Tasmanian politico-society.
In Tasmania Times case, the minority elite is made up by a small group of environmental and leftist extremists, whose passion and commitment to their cause ensures no hope of balance in their comments on forestry, government and business.
The problem with this is that it feels like these contributors have been left to run riot on the site with rarely anyone (the editor or other readers) ever contributing an alternative view to their ramblings, or even questioning the legitimacy of some of their many eye-brow raising long-bow assertions and conspiracy theories.
For the site to truly be an effective alternate source of media coverage from the trashy Murdoch rags and the sleepy-ABC, it is the responsibility of those of us who frequently visit the site, but rarely contribute, to lift our game and submit comments and contributions to debate on the site.
It’s also perhaps necessary for the editor to occasionally take a firm hand to some of the regular contributors on the site, to at least make sure that all comments included on the site reflect a somewhat professional standard of balance and civility.
Because at the moment, I wonder just how much impact this site is really having in its ‘challenge to the mass media’s obsession with popularity, superficiality and celebrity’, when the site itself is openly held up as a subject of ridicule and even contempt (“f@#king uselessâ€) by those people whom you would assume most contributors are hoping to somewhat influence through their articles and comments?
David Wilkins
June 22, 2005 at 16:14
Well it got ME interested in this site. Had never heard of it before. Looks like a good idea.
Might be a regular if I like it.
All publicity is good publicity, it seems.
Prince of Darkness
June 23, 2005 at 02:34
Luke, many people have questioned before the legitimacy of many (most?) of the claims made in this site. Unfortunately, one would need full time dedication to confront the constant tirade of conspiracy theories.
Simon, forestry is not THE issue for Tasmanians, as clearly shown by the low level of Green vote (remember: between eight and nine out of ten Tasmanians prefer someone else in government). It is only THE issue for some of the participants in this forum. Many more Tasmanians have issues with the quality of health, education, job security (or lack of it), scarce number of employment opportunities, etc. These other issues receive little attention in this site.
I think that many of Greg’s claims have some justification. There are plenty of sites out there discussing Australian issues from different points of view. However, there seems to be a lack of sites about Tasmanian issues, and it is a shame that this site has been taken over by people with such a reductionist viewpoint of our state.
When reading the contents of this site one is transported to a bare-land-1950s-eastern-bloc view of Tasmania. Some people may feel comfortable living that fantasy, but that is not real life for most of us.
Brenda Rosser
June 23, 2005 at 04:08
In response to Luke M’s comment:
“For the site to truly be an effective alternate source of media coverage from the trashy Murdoch rags and the sleepy-ABC, it is the responsibility of those of us who frequently visit the site, but rarely contribute, to lift our game and submit comments and contributions to debate on the site.”
Well, yes. The onus is on Tasmanians in general to participate in politics and start to articulate problems and solutions.
To date many of those individuals who are publicly criticising the writers on this forum – those that have raised important issues – do so by denial. When evidence is presented that supports these so-called ‘outrageous’ claims it’s simply not responded to or the original poster’s claims misrepresented.
This happens repeatedly – not just on the Tasmanian Times – but other open forums. Often this is followed up by verbal attacks against targetted individuals.
I believe that action should be taken to ensure that reasoned argument is the name of the game. Simple denial is not sufficient reason for a comment or response to be published.
Naomi
June 23, 2005 at 05:54
It’s a website Greg! No time to edit, no team of subbies tidying everything up.
One of TT’s virtues is that it does concentrate on forestry, because the mainstream media don’t look into that issue, and the powers that be on our tiny island try to shut down open debate.
It’s therefore a voice of dissent. All power to it.
Jonathan Kilpatrick
June 23, 2005 at 07:20
Greg (and his like) should chill, it’s OK for you to express your opinion but you don’t seem to like reading others. Now there is your problem.
Forestry is an issue in Tasmania!
This is particularly the case with the Pulp Mill as the local paper: The Examiner is not fulfilling its role to inform the public. It is too tied to the advertising dollar (Gunns and the Government). It is not encouraging debate nor is it informing people impartially. Packed public meetings are not reported,and questions not answered. The Examiner and other papers are becoming more and more irrevelant to the community they are supposed to represent.
So well done to the Tasmaniantimes.com
Jason Lovell
June 23, 2005 at 08:51
In my opinion (which is contrary that of Greg Barns), the tasmaniantimes is essential as a forum to air alternative views to the mainstream.
The Lovregana Statement is a case in point. The mainstream press published a single article on the issues associated with this political advert, but the article focused on interpreting The Statement as evidence of a split between Aborigines and conservationists, between the Tasmanian Aboriginal Land Council and The Greens. This mainstream “analysis” totally failed to mention:
1)The attempts of the author Glenn Shaw to deny that the Statement was in any way anti-green. He did this in The Mercury and on ABC radio just two days after the Statement was published and quite some time before the analytical article appeared.
2)The departure of Glenn Shaw from the TALC shortly afterwards.
3)The use of funds by an Aboriginal land management organisation to politically lobby on behalf of a completely unrelated industry, an industry that’s almost exclusivly comprised of anglo’s, by the way.
4)The TALC’s declaration that they spent no money on political advertising during the federal election, despite the $6300 cost of publishing the Statement, and
5)The eerie similarities between the Statement’s presentation and the presentation of forest industry posters and pamphlets. This may be explained via the advertising agency involved; the Statement was produced by the same agency used by the Forest Industries Association of Tasmania.
So the only mainstream media article on the Statement, an article that was written by Greg Barns, failed to probe many of the major issues and left a large gap that the ‘times has filled (http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php/weblog/comments/lovregana-curiouser-and-curiouser/). And it’s not just the Lovregana Statement – there are plenty of other examples of this site breaking news or adding to our understanding of the issues that affect Tasmanians.
As with all communities, online or not, you need to take the good with the bad, the Boyce’s with the Saint-Marie’s. To single out one side only, those who are upset, who are angry or have less talent with the pen, is evidence of a failure to comprehend the value of diversity.
Anyway, I’m with Wilde (Oscar, not Wilbur) on this one:
“the only thing worse than being talked about … is not being talked about.”
Congratulations to Lindsay Tuffin for creating and running a very entertaining and often important site.
cheers,
Jason lovell
phill Parsons
June 23, 2005 at 11:13
Named by Barns, my my. I am surprised my abilities with English weren’t brought to the fore as a criticism of my limited talent.
I am thankful for a site where I am allowed to rant and rave from time to time.
The interests that stimulate me to carry on may have a limited range, the content not fully thought through.
I am happy to be edited, or even sent back to do it again.
As an amateur I may find it difficult to deal with subjects beyond my interest.
I am unsure why Murdoch worries about a diversity of sites, surely this is the strength of rule by the many, wheras the monoculture provided by the dominance of the professional scribes, whilst providing a continuity of thought and perhaps of ‘thought control’ [oops a conspiratorial slip], limits the free flow of ideas.
Still as long as it sells off the stand, eh.
phill Parsons believes in conspiracies, some minor and some major. They are even exposed to us from time to time [e.g the Downing Street memo]. However mostly it seems to be error from incompetence or limited knowledge that create the conditions for me to rant and rave.
All saviours’ feet are of clay.
Brenda Rosser
June 23, 2005 at 14:52
In reply to Mr Rollins.
Geoff if you go to:
http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php/weblog/comments/world-class-forestry-practice/
and examine your behaviour on this forum you will find that your initial response to my post did not involve any questioning nor verification of your arrogant opinions – the ones you stated as follows:
“Some of your claims are interesting, and with respect Brenda, some are a bit wild. Take a deep breath (no smoke joke intended).”
Unfortunately, I had to ask you to identify the opinions of mine that you were referring to as well as the reasons why you felt the way you did.
I note that it seems reasonable to expect that anyone who enjoys the privilege of having their opinions placed on a public forum should take responsibility for them in the first instance by providing some sort of reasoned justification. You did not. And your failure in this respect continued throughout this particular blog.
When prompted by my request for some form of justification for your stated opinion you responded simply by listing the statements I made followed by a flourish of your charming sarcasm and demands for evidence.
I’m sorry mate but if you don’t believe assertions made by a writer it is polite to ASK for verification rather than demand it.
Having not had any previous correspondence with you before this incident I gave you the benefit of the doubt and provided you with explanatory notes, the names of documents and the links to websites where plentiful evidence would be found.
Mr Rollins, you than claimed to have read the respective documents and asserted that not a scrap of evidence could be found to justify my claims. This was total nonsense and reeked of a deliberate attempt to mislead the public.
You then further breached any code of honesty by misquoting my original post. Repeatedly.
I think it was at about that stage that I realised that I was wasting my time directing you to key sources of information and vital evidence. You were clinging to your conclusions in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.
And I now see that your words on the Tasmanian Times website have continued to indicate a hostility toward certain individuals that is totally unwarranted.
The onus has always been on you and all readers of TT to seek the truth with humility and good grace. But your current mode of communication and enquiry, Mr Rollins, is spiritually impoverished and logically unsustainable.
Goodnight.
Prince of Darkness
June 24, 2005 at 03:37
“Greg (and his like) should chill, it’s OK for you to express your opinion but you don’t seem to like reading others. Now there is your problem.
Forestry is an issue in Tasmania!”
I am not denying that it is AN issue but that is THE issue for Tasmanians. I, for one, think that health and education are much more relevant. So, I would not mind seeing forestry issues posted now and then, but interspersed with other content.
I have no problems with people putting forward alternative views on anything, IF there is some evidence for the claims. I have no doubt that Brenda Rosser is a very nice person, but her constant ‘is the end of the world’ approach to water and forestry issues is very tiring. I agree with Geoff that usually she does not provide anything even close to solid evidence.
At least part of the onus of proof should reside on the person(s) making the claim. If that is not the case, we have the TT situation: a never ending series of claims that is impossible to discuss properly, because anybody can come up with any claim (however unlikely) wasting other people’s time and patience.
Furthermore, the fact that TT is a website is no excuse for lack of editing or a more judicious choice of posts. What is the point of having a delay between writing and having the post accepted if there is no filtering process?
Lonski
June 24, 2005 at 11:59
Geoff Rollins and PoD hit the nail on the head about the “claims without evidence”. Guess which TT poster made this assertion of “fact†on Tasmedia.org in 2004?
“The situation of aerial spray drift is dire. Plantation companies are aerial spraying Alpha-Cypermethrin and other pesticides above the canopy of the monoculture trees at heights of 100 – 300 feet. Such practices result in pesticide drift over 50 or more kilometres. Matters are made worse by the fact that your company and others have moved into defacto and historical rural residential areas close to major towns and rural cities.â€
Spot the only fact.
Remember the tawdry Adele Saint Marie episode. TT could have done a bit simple detective work to delete that scam.
Jonathan Kilpatrick
June 25, 2005 at 07:03
“Claims without evidence” … don’t make me laugh. When it comes to spin, forestry and the government spin doctors are just as good at it if not better, considering the financial backing they get to do their spin. Let’s wait and see the result of the Gunns court case.
It is hard to take you seriously PoD when you hide behind anonymity. A favourite ploy of the serial poster (pester!)
Neville Rodman
June 25, 2005 at 16:28
Does Barnsy still belong to that bunch of Dads’ Army demos?
I wonder what he thinks of Mug Lees, still running about in terminal denial, having had her arse kicked so hard, that she cleared the front lawn of Howard Henge and landed on the bonnet of a passing Camry.
So much for her new something party, hopefully I have seen her … face on TV for the last time.
Brenda Rosser
June 26, 2005 at 06:37
“The situation of aerial spray drift is dire. Plantation companies are aerial spraying Alpha-Cypermethrin and other pesticides above the canopy of the monoculture trees at heights of 100 – 300 feet. Such practices result in pesticide drift over 50 or more kilometres. Matters are made worse by the fact that your company and others have moved into defacto and historical rural residential areas close to major towns and rural cities.â€
I assume Lonski is querying the point about spray drift. That is a bug bear in Australia because the Tasmanian Department of Health, DPIWE and the APVMA are all refusing to carry out a risk assessment with respect to this. For obvious reasons. So here’s part of my research – see below:
“”Mariann Lloyd-Smith: Mainly because once you get into the air, you’re going to get drift. Certainly in New South Wales they looked at some of the drift factors for a chemical called endosulphan, and they were looking at saying about 14 to 15 kilometres away from the place of application you could expect to find these chemicals. Now that’s a very, very modest estimate, and in some of the international work, there’s been suggestions that some chemicals, once they’re in the atmosphere, will move across continents, and certainly atrazine is one of those chemicals. So just because it’s sprayed on one place, it certainly doesn’t stay there, and it can move across the country, across a council area, across a farm, across a region. So it is very worrying to see these being aerially sprayed…..”
(Reference: Australian Broadcasting Commission’s ‘Earthbeat’,24 July 2004 – ‘Chemical Concern’)
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/earth/stories/s1160341.htm%5D”
“Formulations with low volatility can drift further than volatile formulations under certain conditions ie low humidity, high winds, inversion conditions – water evaporates from droplets leaving herbicide particles which have negligible mass, allowing them to float for tens of kilometres. ”
Reference:
‘Chemical Industry News’ Quarterly Newsletter of the Department of Natural Resources and Environment. Victoria. Issue Number 43. Spring 2001.
“… the infamous defoliant 24-D has drifted a staggering 60 kilometres from the source…”
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s32.htm
“A no-spray zone with a 10-kilometre radius is considered a reasonable distance by doctors experienced in the field. Nevertheless, farmers can and do claim damage from spray drift 15 to 20 kilometres away causing holes in their crops and death to farm animals. ..”
NSW Legislative Council Hansard Full Day Transcript
Tuesday 22 March 2005
NOXIOUS WEEDS AMENDMENT BILL
http://www.geocities.com/rosserbj/drift.html
ted sands
September 14, 2007 at 21:53
To all the concerned people at the TAP meeting thankyou for your well considered and thoughtful input into the meeting last night, thanks Bob for the your role as chairperson,this is a debate that we will win, because the alternative is not acceptable. Further to those people enquiring last night the following Aldermen come up for reelection in October Peck,DEAN,Waddle,Smart, and Nott , of those only Nott and Smart have expressed their disapproval of the mill. I cannot believe the arrogance of DEAN that he doesn’t believe his MLC stance will hurt his Mayoral chances,he needs to engage his brain before opening his mouth, as a politician? he should realise failure to heed your electorate do so at your own peril!The sustained subtle action will win in the end
Ted sands Alderman LCC