Eastern Arthurs range
Federation Peak
King Billy Pine forest
Mt Bobs
Western Arthur range
As uncontrolled wildfires rage across Tasmania The Wilderness Society and
Nature Photographers Tasmania have called on the Premier of Tasmania Will
Hodgman and Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison to urgently request
international amphibious water-bombing assistance to combat the unfolding
tragedy at some of the world’s most important and iconic natural sites, in the
Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area.
Fire is now at the very edge of the largest remaining forest of thousand-year old
King Billy pines in the world, at Mt Bobs, and directly threatens Federation Peak
and the entire Arthur Range.
In the midst of devastating loss of people’s homes we are also on the brink of
losing ancient forests and alpine communities. We need not lose one to save the
other. We acknowledge the tremendous contribution made by fire crews,
including efforts to protect wilderness values.
However the scale of the fires, with over 2.5% of Tasmania burnt or burning, has overwhelmed fire-fighting
capacity to the extent that little is available to combat remote fires in the
Tasmania Wilderness World Heritage Area. Ancient Gondwanan plant
communities thousands of years old stand to be irrevocably lost to fire – never to
recover in our lives, our children’s lives, or our children’s-children’s lives.
These irreplaceable wilderness icons are among the most critical features of the
entire Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area. Tasmania and Australia have
responsibilities as caretakers of the Australian World Heritage properties, and
these responsibilities are now not being upheld.
These are not ‘natural fires’ as we historically understand them. Dry lightning
strikes of the type that ignited scores of fires in southern Tasmania over the last
month were virtually unheard of before the year 2000 but have been
exponentially increasing since that time. January 2019 will smash records for hot
and dry conditions in Hobart and Southwest Tasmania. The current fires are as
much a consequence of climate change and global warming as are bleaching
reefs, retreating glaciers, and disappearing ice-caps.
Unprecedented changes in climate call for unprecedented fire-fighting
responses. Very large amphibious water-bombing aircraft are routinely used to
combat wildfires in North America, Canada and Europe. We call on Premier
Hodgman and Scott Morrison to immediately contact Northern Hemisphere
leaders and urgently request the deployment of these strategically effective craft
to avert a global catastrophe in Tasmania.
the facts
January 30, 2019 at 13:25
Vica, how about more controlled burn offs?
Geoff Holloway
January 30, 2019 at 15:24
Why don’t you reveal your real name ‘the facts’?
Or are you a troll?
MJF
January 30, 2019 at 17:54
Will you be directing a similar query to ‘TV Resident’, Mr Holloway?
In the interests of consistency?
Geoff Holloway
January 30, 2019 at 19:21
No MJF, I have suggested to the Editor that all commentators on Tas Times be required to use their real names.
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Pete Godfrey
January 30, 2019 at 13:43
The comment by contributor ‘the facts’ shows that that person has little or no understanding of fire behavior.
As we have been burning around 28,000 ha of the state each year lately as so called hazard reduction exercises, how much more does ‘the facts’ think we need to do?
Maybe we need to concrete over the whole state, and plant plastic trees.
We actually need to build the capacity to hit fires hard when they are small. Also we need to teach people not to light fires in dangerous conditions.
Fishing by making stupid statements like “how about burning more?” does nothing except display ignorance.
MJF
January 30, 2019 at 16:48
Pete, the way to the heart of the matter requires a mapping exercise. All areas of FRBs by year need to be progressively mapped onto the one viewing layer, then areas of wildfire mapped in another layer and overlain to see if any overlaps occur.
I don’t know of a central repository for all this information as at least three different agencies undertake FRBs within their own jurisdictions. The NVA database holds some burns data but I’m unsure of authenticity or accuracy. Their mapped flora communities are certainly not dependable.
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.. central repository, Martin!
Not central suppository!
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Pete Godfrey
January 30, 2019 at 20:08
Hi MJF … Jon Sumby pointed me to the LIST map.
If you turn on the emergency management layer, then general layer, there is mapping of burns over the state for all time, 5 years and 10 years. If you click on a hatched area where a burn was it will show when it was burnt and whether is was natural, deliberate or a FRB.
I believe that it is not possible to protect the state by Fuel Reduction Burns.
In Northern NSW, when I lived there, we had many deliberate fires, with most being lit by farmers burning off native bladey grass to get green pick for their cattle. They did not cut hay up there just burnt.
The bladey grass grew back so fast that they would burn the same areas almost every year. We would then have to protect people’s properties when the fires inevitably got away. Actually not many of the fires were controlled at all. They were just left to burn until it rained, or the local brigade (US) controlled them.
Same in Tassie really. In the North there is so much very long dry grass about that any fire will get away very fast.
Because of the dry January up here the trees are dropping masses of leaves, making the fuel load worse.
MJF
January 31, 2019 at 14:09
Thanks Pete, I’ll check that out.
the facts
January 30, 2019 at 15:11
Stupid comments like teaching people not to light fires in dangerous situations!
Lightning actually caused most of the current fires, Peter.
Pete Godfrey
January 30, 2019 at 18:33
So Facts, are you telling me that out of a blue sky all the recent fires got lit by lightening?
The fires in the north near Blessington were deliberately lit, and there were 10 known ignition points along the road. Also many other fires in the north were deliberate fires.
Fire behavior works like this: if there is a paddock or slope with lots of long grass, or a slope with alpine grasses or button grass that catches fire, the fire races up the hill. If the fire is big enough it leaps into trees on the hill, so then it becomes a crown fire. It doesn’t matter how much fuel reduction has happened then.
The fire just leaps through the tops of the trees. Eucalyptus oil is given off by the trees when they are hot, and it burns very well.
Having seen many fires over the years, including being in Lorne, Victoria on Ash Wednesday, I can assure you that fuel on the ground had absolutely no effect on the fire’s behavior.
TV Resident
January 30, 2019 at 15:49
Pete Godfrey … unfortunately ‘the facts’ whoever he is, is showing the self same ignorance that our governments, both state and Federal, have shown in the past.
I had wondered whether they are letting the WHA burn so they can plant more plantations. Nothing this mob does could convince me otherwise.
Mike Seabrook
January 30, 2019 at 19:44
Tell me, whose taxes and council rates are paying all these costs?
Are the Feds paying? What insurance is taken out?
Geoff Holloway
January 30, 2019 at 20:10
Mike … The costs should be borne by the State and Federal Governments as part of their obligations under the UNESCO World Heritage convention, as pointed out in the recent Senate Inquiry.
As the Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area is the largest temperate wilderness area of its type in the world, it should have a special priority – especially as much of this area does not recover after fires, ever. This is apart from the fact that there is an important economic reason in that Tasmania’s wilderness is the biggest drawcard for tourists to come to Tasmania, and is integral to Brand Tasmania (leaving aside for the moment how contradictory that is).
Jon Sumby
January 30, 2019 at 22:51
‘One telltale sign of climate change is that these fires were set by storms, not people. Lightning was expected to increase under climate modelling’ says David Lindenmayer, a professor of ecology and conservation biology at the Australian National University in Canberra.
Between 1993 and 2003, Tasmania’s Parks and Wildlife Service recorded 17 fires started by lightning. In the next decade that number rose to 30. In a fire risk assessment of the world heritage area, the service warned that lightning fires should no longer be viewed as “natural” because of the influence of climate change. It concluded that lightning fires were now the main threat to the survival of the world heritage area.
“Clearly the fire regime is starting to change,” Lindenmayer says.
In neighbouring Victoria, major fires that naturally occur every 75 to 120 years have occurred every 20 years, on average, for the past century.
“That’s what other people have been forecasting is going to happen,” Lindenmayer says. “We are going to see more fires, over larger areas, that are more frequent and of higher severity. What we are seeing in Tasmania would appear to be a manifestation of that.”
Bowman says: “The implications of this are, of course, goodbye Gondwana. Because Gondwana can’t live in this sort of world.”
Tasmania’s wilderness is to Gondwana (which broke apart 180 million years ago) what the Great Barrier Reef is to coral – the most magnificent example of a dwindling wonder. That is why Unesco put a vast swath of the island – 1.5m hectares – on its world heritage list in 1982.
As with the world’s corals, climate change is now an immediate threat to the continuity of this geologically paced building project.
“It’s a bit like knowing someone you love’s got cancer,” he says. “You have to get your mind around the inevitability, I suppose. You grieve. It’s a sadness. It’s going to be pretty hard for this stuff to survive, certainly in the 100-year time frame. It stretches my mind to believe that there’ll be much of this stuff left in 50 years.”
Geoff Law, a longtime Tasmanian conservationist and former head of the Wilderness Society, describes Bowman’s long-term prognosis for the Gondwanan forests as “devastating”.
Bob Brown told the ABC’s Radio National: “Tasmania has just experienced the driest spring in recorded history, then the hottest December. They’ve had almost no rain in January. Everything is hotter and drier, so we are facing unprecedented conditions in human history … due to the human-caused climate change.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/27/world-heritage-forests-burn-as-global-tragedy-unfolds-in-tasmania
Realist
January 31, 2019 at 08:10
Ho hum. The southern forests and surrounding wilderness was always setting itself up for a major fire. History repeating itself.
The southern forests and those in the Florentine valley had major fires around 200 years ago and no doubt in times before then. Granted, a rare event. You can blame climate change, political ineptness or conspiracy theories about senior fire fighters all you like, but the fact remains, like it or not, we live in a fire prone environment and we have just witnessed a one in two to three hundred year event.
“we are facing unprecedented conditions in human history .. due to the human-caused climate change.” Really, ‘unprecedented’? These forests have had a history of major fires happening for hundreds of thousands of years. My word, Bob is well versed to call it ‘unprecedented’. Never happened before? Rubbish.
And the call for water bombing the wilderness is just pure fantasy. The bombers don’t put the fire out. Fact. Only troops on the ground can successfully secure that result. To try and perform that is logistically almost impossible.
max
January 31, 2019 at 23:19
Yes ‘realist’, we live in a fire prone country and the question is why. For 40 thousand years the Tasmanian Aboriginals roamed the island trying to burn the forests to create grass for hunting grounds. Grasses are the main fire starters.
Prior to the Florentine fires 200 years ago, we had no idea what the Florentine Valle was like. Perhaps the Aborigines had created the situation where a major fire could happen. We now know that fire-stick farming, as practiced by the aboriginals, allowed grasses and fire-loving plants to thrive. We will never know, but we do know what so-called fuel reduction burns are doing now, namely producing fire prone vegetation and the situation for future unstoppable fires.
Tasmania, along with the rest of the world, has entered a new climate that’s warmer and drier in parts and has rain bombs in others. As the poem goes, ‘drought and flooding rains’ but climate change has moved drought and flooding rains up several notches.
WE once had fire spotting towers that could spot smoke or fires and direct rapped response. If they still exist, and they can cover the entire state, then the present situation should have been nipped in the bud by a fire bomber, and then men choppered in.
Geoff Holloway
February 4, 2019 at 09:09
Russell, did Aborigines use fire in the south-eastern part of Australia? NO, according to this video: https://tinyurl.com/No-Abs-inSWTas
Also, according to current research conducted by the University of Tasmania (seminar 2018) there is little evidence of Aborigines ever having lived in South West Tasmania apart from a few select locations.
The overlaying mapping technique presented in this seminar was very impressive, and it did show that there is plenty of evidence of Aborigines being in other parts of Tasmania, but not in the South West.
Also, the vegetation in northern Australia is very different from that in Tasmania.
William Boeder
February 2, 2019 at 10:44
Realist, are you employed in a department that is part of Guy Barnett MP’s Portfolio, or at least the bit about his pet cocoon of STT revolutionaries where each is known to ignore substantiated facts?
Persons of that ilk are a danger to those that dwell within that cocoon for they must be able to subvert or influence the minds of persons that are possessed of Archaiac Australopithecus-era intelligence.
Luca Vanzino
January 31, 2019 at 08:37
Think about the abundance of water bodies that are available around the State, eg Lakes Pedder, Gordon, Macquarie Harbour, Great Lake, the West Coast dams, Port Davey, Norfolk Bay, the D’Entrecasteaux Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUfL5KU2N4
William Boeder
January 31, 2019 at 08:50
Pete Godfrey then Claire Gilmour per the same subject matter in related forum topics, in the interests and the furtherance of each of your comments re Tasmania’s Fires.
Firstly I will state my concerns to the efficacy of the terms nominated bt the Tasmanian Fire Service (TFS) to provide the people of Tasmania the actual status and ‘on the ground facts’ that are seemingly being withheld under the guise being listed by TFS as fire alerts.
The words expressed on the TFS Internet fire alerts page such as; ‘going’ ‘patrol’ ‘ being controlled’ these terms do not offer any real clarity toward the best advise that is published in the interests to the people of Tasmania.
The words better sought should be ‘supression’ ‘extinguishment’ ‘mopping up’ in preference to ‘watch and act’ ‘no alert level’ ’emergency warning’ ‘advice’ are each ambiguous in their meaning.
The terms ‘going’ and ‘patrol’ ‘watch and act’ are meaningless as indicators of the risks and dangers that are specific to Tasmania’s bushfires that so frequently present.
EG: the huge bushfire that had its origins in the Gell River region within Tasmania’s World Heritage Listed Wilderness Park, one is told that this environmentally devastating fire is simply ‘going’ is indicative that the term ‘going or control’ does not adequately specify nor does it include the continuing or ongoing fire damage still occurring that very day of any announcement relevant to Tasmania’s WHA Park.
This minimilistic choice of words to present as the information describing a bushfire’s dangers or imminent fire dangers, are quite poorly adequate in their transalation….given the fierce circumstances so often experienced throughout Tasmania.
http://www.dpac.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/361005/Tasmanian_Government_response_Final_Report_TWWHA_Bushfire_and_Climate_Change_Research_Project.pdf
https://tendaily.com.au/news/australia/a190104qwo/homes-at-risk-in-huge-tasmanian-bushfires-20190104ed
Issued from TFS; But residents are warned embers from the blaze, burning about 20km northwest of the communities, could fall and to enact their bushfire survival plans.
“We are not out of the woods. There is a significant fire risk,” Tasmania Fire Service chief officer Chris Arnol told reporters on Friday.
“If we get in, these fires will still be difficult to fight in the conditions that we are confronting at the moment.”
“The day is not over and neither is our fire season – we’ve got another two months to go and this could be a prelude to a much busier time.”
Please read each link to demonstrate ‘the failure to attend to the WHA fire” the subsequent delayed response to act in the first instance.
Rob Halton
January 31, 2019 at 23:26
Absolutely agree with you Mr Boeder, the TFS Alerts page should be more specific on the current mode of operation. There is nothing to hide politically just state honest straight foward facts, we the the public and support the best effort of the fire fighters.
I think what we do know is that the WHA is not getting much suppression attention apart from fly overs and basic reports, that’s fine!. Obviously the attention is on the three big fires and a number of smaller fire closer to property and population centres, I would expect that would continue to occur over the next two months until there is definite change in season when autumn rains should kick in and provide respite for the community.
Of cause by then fire fighters will be exhausted and deserving of a good rest.
Hopefully me Mr Kim does not start blabbing about sending fire crews into the SW as by then those wilderness fires should be slowing down considerably and can be monitored by fly overs and Infra red tech, again it would not hurt TFS to keep the public informed at least by regular media if not the alerts listings!
No one expects miracles to save either the forests or wilderness, more openness with fire reporting would be appreciated, TFS should not treat their role as a military operation where information can be withheld for security reasons.
Al
February 1, 2019 at 14:18
Great comments from both Rob and William ..
The dumbing down of advice from TFS and interstate fire management agencies is deplorable.
MJF
January 31, 2019 at 14:14
Good on you Mr Holloway. TV Resident must be exempt from your rules.
cleanairtas
January 31, 2019 at 23:25
Thanks Vica Bayley and Rob Blakers for the article.
Pete Godfrey, do you think this must be the ash seed bed that Bob Gordon was talking about?
MJF
February 1, 2019 at 12:31
There would be some nice boards in that couple of King Billies, I reckon. What a potential waste.
Mr and Mrs UNESCO, could we ease just a few loads out please?
William Boeder
February 2, 2019 at 11:36
MJF, first of all one has to reconcile with the truck load of king Billy Pine claimed to have been placed in the hands of Ta Ann Berhad, whether this was either shipped out of this State bound for Malaysis or by extenstion to the Malaysian State of Sarawak home of the legendary Taib Mahmud.
I am unable to verify this same whether or not this King Billy was put through the veneer peelers controlled by this improperly regulated plundering invader from Malaysia. So MJF, if could you call upon your many connections to establish the basis of this allegation?
Do please bear in mind the importance of this followed up allegation, as it may well lead to the eviction of Ta Ann Berhad, along with (hopefully its major supporters among the Lib/Lab political toadstools past and present) that had and continue to alter the legislation to support every new infringement they were responsible for despite the original MOU signed in late December 2005.
The names of the persons associated with the arrival of Ta Ann have yet to be charged for their impropriety. They will be known already as the most incorrigible politicians in the State of Tasmania.
Perhaps I should undertake the research that will reveal them in their plenty, even those standing in the wings.
There is the very pleasing aspect that Mr and Mrs UNESCO are the one ‘uncorruptible parent groups’ that will not tolerate any subvertings and/or deceptions that manifest among the already tarnished Exclusives in this divided State carved up between the haves and the have nots in this State.
Rowley, Lennon, Aird and Llewellyn are allegedly said to be the primarily involved scoundrels set to profit by this controversial invitation provided to Ta Ann Berhad to enter into Tasmania, as they held the prominent roles and signatures that could swing this still suspicious undertaking.
MjF
February 3, 2019 at 10:31
Are you saying William, that a load has already been pilfered ?
Mr and Mrs UNESCO are the one ‘incorruptible parent groups’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/oct/18/jonhenley1
I know it’s only The Guardian which claims to honest, factual and uninfluenced, so when one turns on its own ..something’s rotten in the state of Denmark.
Geoff Holloway
February 3, 2019 at 12:37
Good try Martin, but the Guardian report to which you refer is 20 years old!
MjF
February 3, 2019 at 12:56
So ?
How are your dual standards going today, Mr Holloway ?
Those who hold a different view to you must identify themselves, but for those who agree with you it’s OK to carry on with pen-names!
Geoff Holloway
February 3, 2019 at 13:18
Actually, I agree with you on some things and have included it in a report I am writing where you said “Firesticking phooey, you cannot be serious. All fireststicking does is interrupt natural ecological processes …” (MFJ, January 24, 2019 at 6:54 pm)
William Boeder
February 3, 2019 at 15:13
Interesting article MJF, one would suspect this same goings on were rife within the former Forestry Tasmania.
The inference you had intended has suggested foul doings by persons that have access to To Tasmania’s scarce forest resources.
I contend the same, this is the sort of stuff that only the most devout insiders could know of.
Meanwhile Mr And Mrs logging of Tasmania’s State-wide forests at an unwholesome unsustainable rate, would know far more than they are capable of public disclosure offerings.
There is no individual State government minister or public Service employee that is held accountable or is ruled as alleged to be full on guilty to any transgression discovered within this State’s Government departments, GBE’s, or even the State’s infrastructure, or be it Tasmania’s bureacratic structure, thus ‘dishonesty or the averted eye’ can run amok in this State.
However even more so among the free for all logging sector this State.
( How do you reckon that TA Ann Berhad could possibly be given the green light to enter into Tasmania?
One cannot rely upon the State’s appointed Auditor General, for he is beholden to and especially known for his kindly forgiving nature and that the hint of that person’s Audit Reports are complicated by the the small worded clauses of repudiation and or disclaimers set out at the bottom of the page, in case of persons implying anything other than that which is held in the annual reports, as may be chosen to be set aside for extra judicial audits that may happen to cross the Auditor General’s desk.
Our unique Tas-mania.
MJF
February 3, 2019 at 18:03
Let us stay on course William. Are you claiming a load of KWP logs has found its way to the Southwood site for the benefit of Ta Ann ?
How do you come by this nudge-nudge, wink-wink hot information ?
Geoff Holloway
February 2, 2019 at 11:55
It is time to put one myth to rest.
Some people advocate using the Aboriginal ‘fire-stick’ technique – but did Aborigines use such a technique? Not according to this video: https://tinyurl.com/No-Abs-inSWTas
Also, according to current research conducted by the University of Tasmania (seminar 2018), there is little evidence of Aborigines ever having lived in South West Tasmania apart from a few select locations. The overlaying mapping technique presented in this seminar was very impressive, and it did show that there is plenty of evidence of Aborigines being in other parts of Tasmania, but not in the South West.
phill Parsons
February 2, 2019 at 18:50
If greenhouse gas emissions don’t cease in a decade or so a temperature rise of two degrees will follow. The climate chaos we see now will not just double with that additional one degree temperature rise .. it will grow exponentially!
Nowhere is prepared for such changes and very few places are taking the steps to arrest the growth in CO2 [a greenhouse gas] emissions. The storms of our grandchildren have arrived in the southwest and in north Queensland. Rich countries will not be exempt.
We have very little time and many of you will scoff at the idea that it can be fixed by voting 1 for the Greens. Tell me who else will lead Australia to join those few other places taking sufficient steps? Labor is sadly wanting, the Liberals are in denial, the National Party is in another universe and neither can be trusted.
Howard and Abbott lied about what they would do. Independents and micro-parties may say one thing .. then trade it off for less than what is necessary.
Rob Halton
February 3, 2019 at 07:49
Parsons you must be off the planet, why would any responsible person be attracted to vote Green especially after these current wildfires when the author Vica Bayley as Wilderness Society CEO has done absolutely nothing so far to attract any positive feedback from all of those involved with the extinguishment efforts!
The best Bayley can do during the height of the fires was to promote an indigenous, racially motivated anti white, anti Australia Day march through the city along with Senator Nick McKim over some stupid issue about changing the date! Offering any help among the fire fighting effort, no !
The cursed Greens have gone a step too far this time around, offering little or in fact nothing in the way of either saving the forests, nature reserves and offering help to rural communities in dire need during this prolonged emergency.
It was reported in yesterdays Mercury that the head of the states farming lobby TFGA CEO Wayne Johnson who is also Meander Valley Mayor tweeted “You’re not a Nck ,you’re a D… retorts the farming boss!
Mc Kim is audaciously claiming that the current fires are caused by humans burning fossil fuels massively increasing fire risk.
Mc Kim suggested that the PM if he visits Tasmania ” the first thing he should do is get down on his knees and apologise to our firefighters for making theri job more dangerous!
The Greens antics are unacceptable during this time of prolonged fire crisis its no wonder that their community organisers are attracting hateful messages.
William Boeder
February 4, 2019 at 15:14
MJF … You have answered my question with a question. Given your propensity for this, how about you seek the truth of this matter through your network of persons that may have their own insider knowledge?
I will not release the source of this allegation re the truckload of King Billy Pine.
You might seek this information yourself from those persons known to engage in this former Forestry Tasmania, not quite legitimate yet still favoured, activity.
MjF
February 4, 2019 at 20:34
Your ambit claim is still rather hazy, William, but not so surprising. Just to be clear then, are you suggesting where this alleged load went to was unlawful .. or possibly that the load was improperly obtained to start with ?
As you present as something of a justice system student from time to time, it’s important that your allegation is fully understood .. as you can appreciate.
If you can clarify please, and then I will turn to my people.
William Boeder
February 4, 2019 at 22:20
MJF, please address all your current and future concerns to minister Guy Barnett MP, portfolio minister for DPIPWE.
MjF
February 5, 2019 at 09:34
I cannot assist you William, as you won’t explain yourself properly.
William Boeder
February 5, 2019 at 20:19
MJF, that’s fine.