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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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Australia only nation to join US at pro-coal event at COP24 climate talks

Country’s stance described as ‘a slap in the face of our Pacific island neighbours’ …

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  1. Keith Antonysen

    December 13, 2018 at 7:41 am

    Politicians definitely do have their heads in the sand.

    “But in a study released Tuesday, researchers determined that the current climate polices of governments around the world will push Earth towards 3.3˚C of warming. That’s more than two times the aspirational 1.5˚C target adopted
    by nearly 200 nations under the 2015 Paris agreement.”

    https://www.ecowatch.com/global-climate-policies-warming-projections-2623065326.html?utm_source=EcoWatch+List&utm_campaign=ad8befbf3d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-ad8befbf3d-86074709

  2. Ted Mead

    December 12, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    The concept and sometime availability of buying renewables through grid pricing/supply has been around a while, but I am sceptical as to whether one is getting an honest deal through this process.

    Given the unscrupulous operations of the AEMO, there is no guarantee you are not being ripped off, and the system seems vulnerable to scams unless there is a controlling watchdog.

    I think the suppliers are just marketers themselves through buying renewable energy cheap and then on-selling it at a profit.

    I admire people who would be willing to pay extra for their energy knowing that it an ethically based product, though nothing beats producing it for yourself.

    • Mjf

      December 13, 2018 at 12:37 pm

      The suppliers are multi-faceted providers. They buy it cheap (wholesale) from generators and on-sell at a profit (retailing) via marketing campaigns and energy brokers.

      For some reason renewable energy is retailed higher than non-renewable. Why should this product be taken up by consumers who can afford to pay more, but to the exclusion of battlers who can’t ?

      I would contend there is already an undefined proportion of green energy in any retailer’s base priced plan. Why pay an inflated unit price for additional ?

      • Russell

        December 14, 2018 at 7:12 am

        “Why pay an inflated unit price for additional ?”

        Exactly. Put your own panels on your own roof and save money.

        You and Kim Peart can’t see beyond your noses.

        • Mjf

          December 14, 2018 at 9:40 am

          “Why pay an inflated unit price for additional ?” remains relevant, whether I have panels or not.

          It would only be irrelevant if I stored all my solar generated energy in a battery. Therefore as long as rooftop solar generators are still connected to the grid (which is 98% of PV system owners) then they are going to be asked to pay an inflated rate for more “green energy” to be delivered, if that is their wish.

          ‘Ethical’, claims Ted Mead. Well, ‘ethical’ comes at extra cost. Renewable energy is dearer than conventional generation at the customer end. It’s black and white which is why it keeps struggling.

          Simply putting panels on your roof does offset overall cost, but doesn’t alleviate this scam that renewable energy is costing more to the household consumer than Energy Australia’s options.

          All the while, small scale arrays are subsidised by the allocation of federal government STCs which are created at the time of installation and usually transferred to the installer to on-sell in the marketplace which effectively reduces the purchase price. This is clearly a subsidy for systems that are claimed to be standalone in cost.

          The longer this renewables scourge continues the more corrupt and twisted it’ll become.

          • Russell

            December 15, 2018 at 7:45 am

            ” .. remains relevant, whether I have panels or not.”

            Absolute rubbish. Obviously you’ve never bothered to find anything out, or accept what you find. You’re just another of the sheep flock too lazy to do anything, so all you choose to do is whinge and moan until someone does it all for you.

            If everyone put solar panels on their roofs there would be less need for fossil fuel generators. If every home in Tasmania had a modest system on its roof it would replace the Long Yang or Liddell coal power stations. Imagine if Melbourne or Sydney did the same!

            That would supply ALL the daytime energy needs WITHOUT burning a single lump of coal.

            Renewable energy is CHEAPER to make than fossil fuel. Once it’s installed there are no ongoing costs, while fossil fuels cost everyone every second of every hour of every day forever into the future which it is quickly killing. When will you actually research or accept the industry figures delivered?

            What I can’t understand about you airheads is that you don’t realise that you are the victim of climate change, and that there’s no escape, and that there’ll be no pity shown when that actually effects you .. which won’t be long.

            I think you’re living in Morrison’s ‘Canberra bubble’.

  3. Mjf

    December 12, 2018 at 12:33 pm

    I can currently get a power plan from Energy Australia which gives me three options to include green energy generation in my electricity supply. Is this a con or what? I can elect to pay an extra 5c per kWh on top of the base usage fee for either a 10%, 50% or 100% blend of renewable energy in my overall consumption.

    Three points here:

    1) This would be one of the greatest scams inflicted on paying energy customers;
    2) How do I know I’m getting what I pay for ? Maybe green energy makes the lights brighter;
    3) Makes a mockery of renewable energy being spruiked by the devout as cheaper than fossil fuel generation.

    Maybe it will change over time.

    • max

      December 12, 2018 at 4:10 pm

      MjF. You believe it’s a scam but it involves a lot of extra work if you took the option of green power. In fact, 5 cents is a bargain because some poor bugger has to strain the good green stuff from the dirty black coal stuff. Think about it. It’s an almost impossible task.It’s not green or black. It’s invisible, and it has to come down the same line to your house and be separated on the way.

      You are already getting green power off your roof, and if you send some of it into the grid during the day, then at night they would have to send it back to you without letting it get contaminated.

      • MjF

        December 12, 2018 at 6:50 pm

        The bottom line max, is that for a consumer green energy is more expensive. This is not what gets spruiked on TT by the faithful. It doesn’t matter why, it just is and that’s a major problem for renewables. Not at this time, thanks.

        • Russell

          December 13, 2018 at 8:52 am

          You can only be sure if you put solar panels on your roof yourself.

  4. max

    December 12, 2018 at 9:40 am

    After a Cabinet meeting on 20 January 1966, Robert Gordon Menzies, who was reluctant to involve Australia in Vietnam, suddenly and unexpectedly resigned after 17 years as Prime Minister of Australia, nominating as his successor the then Treasurer, Harold Holt.

    Holt announced almost immediately that Australia would go ‘all the way with LBJ’ (then US President Lyndon Baines Johnson) into the Vietnam War. At that crucial point, Australia severed ties with Britain and the British Commonwealth and hitched itself behind the stagecoach of the United States of America. Australia has been going ‘all the way with LBJ’ ever since.

    America says “Jump” and we say “How high?” and so to follow America into a war against climate change comes as no surprise. Climate change, to any thinking person, is the biggest threat that humanity has ever faced. If we had lost the first or second world wars, or any other war, the world would have gone on .. different perhaps but still functioning.

    If we lose the war on climate change we lose it all, so perhaps it is time we stepped off America’s runaway stagecoach.

  5. Keith Antonysen

    December 12, 2018 at 7:10 am

    Clearly, the LNP couldn’t give a stuff for its own children, grand children or young people generally. While they would no doubt suggest they do care, actions speak louder than words in relation to climate change.

    At the COP24 deliberations in Poland the Australian government revealed Australia to be a pariah State in relation to climate change.

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