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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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Craig Kelly MP mocks climate change ‘exaggeration’ in presentation to Liberal party members

Fossil fuels make us ‘safe from’ climate change, says MP who is working with Tony Abbott to move Liberals to the right

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  1. Keith Antonysen

    November 11, 2018 at 6:48 am

    Dave Parsell, people do have a right to their opinion. But, in science, opinion and ideology do not stand up to data. What Kelly has done is cherry picked material and then drawn conclusions. He is no expert, yet he mocks people who have been involved with climate science for decades. When opinion and ideology override objective data we are on a slippery slide to the bottom in many fields. I listened to part of his podcast. He spoke about temperature measurements using rather controversial work from skeptical scientists.

    Kelly, in a podcast, says satellite inferred temperature is not revealing increases. He has obtained this view from skeptic scientists, Christie and Spencer. Modelling is needed to obtain temperature from satellites as they do not have thermometers. Satellites are unstable in their orbits, a fact that Spencer and Christie do not take fully into account. Permafrost is thawing, and it takes higher temperature over a period for that to happen. Also, there is greening in tundra areas while new lakes are forming from extra melt water, or through methane explosions in Siberia. Land based weather stations show temperature is increasing.

    An article in National Geographic provides a much better way to analyse data, picking the views from various scientists and cautiously indicating that the trend is worrying.

    Kelly merely gathers information that fits into his ideology. Climate science is not a left or right wing ideology, it relies on the rational process of scientific method to reach its views. Climate science began in 1824 through Fourier. Denial began in the the last decade + of the 20th Century.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/08/news-arctic-permafrost-may-thaw-faster-than-expected/?utm_source=InsideClimate+News&utm_campaign=0828f4713f-&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_29c928ffb5-0828f4713f-327850601

  2. Dave Parsell

    November 10, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    • Russell

      November 11, 2018 at 7:52 am

      And everyone has access to the science and facts.

  3. Russell

    November 10, 2018 at 10:54 am

    If Craig Kelly and others deliberately destroy our atmosphere and make life hell on earth, they will have nowhere to hide when it all comes tumbling down. And that won’t be long.

  4. max

    November 9, 2018 at 7:19 pm

    If Craig Kelly is an example of the MPs in the Liberal party, and if Tony Abbott is willing to go along with him, it’s no wonder that the standard of of the present government is so low.

    Then again what can you expect? Their leader is clowning about in a big bus pretending to be just a good bloke, while costing the tax payers $10,000 a week .. and doing nothing to earn his keep.

  5. Keith Antonysen

    November 9, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    So, exactly what set of data does Kelly have? There are a number of blogs that produce fallacious commentary while not understanding the research that they write about.

    When there are something like 12,000 studies published every year in peer-reviewed journals, you really are deluded to think that the science is wrong. You need to be a conspiracy theorist, subscribe to an extreme political ideology, or have faith in a fundamentalist religion that believes anthropogenic climate change science is wrong.

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