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  1. Rob Halton

    September 9, 2018 at 2:36 am

    #68, John … That is my remarkable yet specific advice too, especially for #67 Langfield who badly need a break from the keyboard, even on a Sunday! Look out folks, he will be all the crankier during the week as he missed the weekend sunshine!

    Wait until he hears that Cal McGregor and Senator Cleaver Greene are now part of the Federal parliament team. Enjoy!

  2. John Biggs

    September 7, 2018 at 2:30 pm

    This thread, like the related one on Morrison, has degenerated into name calling and abuse. Perhaps the name sparks this uncouth parliamentarianese.

    Let’s make a rule that when this happens the thread stops.

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  3. Russell

    September 7, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    Re #64 … Such petty childish loser name calling, Fitch. I expect no more from a petty ‘forester’ with no evidence to back your deluded claims. It was your friends who were the three amigos, one of them very recently receiving another flogging at the polls.

    An earlier poster labelled you and Robin as Tweedle-Dumb and Tweedle-Dumber. Pretty close to the mark too, but I can’t pick which is which. I suppose it depends which of you posted last.

  4. Keith Antonysen

    September 7, 2018 at 12:01 am

    Mjf … Those dot points I have made come from many articles and research I have found over many years. While Typhoons/ Hurricanes/Cyclones (different names for same type of storm) have always happened, the fingerprint of man has ensured that they are stronger.

    Water vapour in the atmosphere is increased through a warm atmosphere, and warm marine environments. Increased CO2 in the atmosphere ensures that extra warmth is created in the atmosphere allowing for water bombs to be created from water vapour taken up . Those water bombs create flooding and mud slides. Mud slides are particularly devastating.

    The trend lines for temperature, wildfires, strength of storms, EL Nino events, temperature of Oceans, loss of glaciers and sea ice in the Arctic are all going in the wrong direction. Burst oil pipes are a function of greed and building them in inappropriate areas.

    Here are three examples where businesses have been forced to close through extreme events: California (wild fires, agriculture), Texas (floods), Puerto Rico (Maria). It is not a matter of businesses being destroyed through mismanagement or not understanding particular markets, but rather destroyed by mudslides, floods, droughts and wildfires. Ever looked at articles from Munich Re which cost extreme events?

    A mega Report referenced above states very clearly that there are huge costs in a business-as-usual approach. If you provide no evidence you can rightfully be recognised as a anthropogenic climate change denier.

    LNP policy is directed towards minimising Renewable forms of energy. Politics is letting us down.

  5. max

    September 6, 2018 at 11:51 pm

    # 64, MJF … Once we had a high standard of living with full employment and all the benefits of full employment. Older people spent their lifetimes paying for their pensions with an early version of the compulsory superannuation scheme.

    In 1945, the Commonwealth split personal income tax into two components. One of them, the social services contribution, was to be used exclusively to finance social security cash payments. The revenue from the contributions was paid into a National Welfare Fund. By 1950 the balance in the fund was £100 million, which would be several trillion dollars in today’s money. In 1977 Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser transferred the balance to Consolidated Revenue, but to this day the contribution is still coming out of everybody’s pay packet.

    Then the government decided that we could export the people’s future generation’s wealth .. our minerals, coal and gas. To make it possible to give away our future generation’s wealth, we dropped tariffs so that countries could export to us, and we could export to them. In the perfect deal for China, we allowed them to become a world power and now a threat. The world went into super drive. CO2 levels shot up as these once poor countries become consumers and polluters, just like us.

    We are now a service industry country .. what ever that means. You sell me a cup of coffee and I will sell you one.

    The never-ending income streams into government coffers from gas and coal that you talk about comes from royalties they can’t dodge, and not the huge revenue the government could have demanded .. and got.
    Instead of being totally exploited, we could be the real lucky county, and my pension that you are worried about, and all pensions, would be covered forever in the National Welfare Fund.

  6. Mjf

    September 6, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    #59/62 Antonysen … You and the other two, Langfield and max, remind me closely of the three Amigos.

    I’m just undecided which of you are Lucky, Dusty and Ned.

    You in particular, like to misrepresent contributors such as myself, but I think more as a result of a simple reaction and less from considered opinion and evidence.

    I am not a climate change denier and have never represented myself as such. You leap in to take a ‘us and them’ position and lob me into the ‘them’ camp without justification because I simply question the process and prefer to debunk populist and biased rubbish such as Dusty’s (I have decided on one character now) flawed attempts to discredit CSG fracking.

    That position doesn’t mean I deny climate change.

    I applaud the government if it sticks to the Paris Agreement, even though its not a commitment but best intent on Australia’s part to reduce emissions. Morrison is under extreme pressure from the Right to dump any climate policy.

    I know Australia and the rest of the world has to change, but how ? There will be a pronounced downside.

    As we know the major polluting countries are not committed to change. So far no-one from the anti-fossil fuel debate has provided a workable succession plan to replace fossil fuel extraction and consumption with Renewables.

    No-one has suggested how the never-ending income streams into government coffers from gas and coal are going to be replaced, and what will happen to Australia’s standard of living as a result of it.

    It’s seriously going to be compromised by reduced income for public spending. If you’re good with that, no problem .. just don’t complain about reduced government support and services when the world’s being saved.

    Hence my suggestion to max that he’s a hypocrite with his double standards debate. You can’t have your cake and eat it to, as ‘they’ say. If he’s happy to compromise his living standards for reduced emissions, then bravo.

    I could also counter all your dotpoint ‘extreme weather events caused by climate change’ as simply examples of inappropriate development and failure to manage risk.

    I think burst oil pipelines is logically more an engineering result of use beyond working lifetimes and failure to decommission and replace, otherwise known as greed. But if you believe this type of incident to be caused by climate change then go right ahead.

    Businesses having to close down ? Last time I looked businesses close every day .. but 99.9% are not because of weather events.

    #60 … No comment to a non-constructive comment.

    #61 … Dead right max, and I commend you for having historically paid your way in life, but that’s immaterial now. The country still owes you nothing. You pension is largely funded by the resources boom and continues to be so. So what sort of stand are you going to make ? Are you happy to live on less when the money flows stop ?

  7. John Hawkins

    September 6, 2018 at 3:45 pm

    When Parliament resumes next week will we discover who were the heavies camped in Liberal offices and bullying their fellows into signing up as full-time members of the Club of 43.

    Threats: You will be dis-endorsed, with possible dirt file leaks and other nasties that might smell like the efforts of one Erich Abetz. These are Abetz’ closely honed skills used to virtually dis-endorse Colbeck by putting him at Number 5 on the Liberal Senate ticket. He is probably giving Colbeck another going over right now.

    Abetz is the classic example of the extreme right … a hard line take-no-prisoners Liberal pollie.

    See my comment #9.

  8. Keith Antonysen

    September 6, 2018 at 2:48 pm

    MjF … As has often been the case after writing a comment, something relevant turns up in my email Inbox. This mega Report provided goes against your comments at #57: https://newclimateeconomy.report/2018/

    Your comment on this Report would be most appreciated.

    It is the third mega Report that has come my way in about a fortnight. It becomes very difficult to argue against mega Reports where hundreds of authors are involved and referenced by hundreds of papers.

    Or perhaps you can provide a major reference to uphold your opinion.

  9. max

    September 6, 2018 at 1:50 pm

    #58, MjF… I worked my whole life. I paid my taxes and supported my family and contributed all I was asked.

    Of the little I know of you, or even want to, is that you worked in a industry that cost the people of Australia billions, much more than my meagre pension. I am alarmed at what is happening in the world with climate change and I try to respond as best I can while you are an active member of the opposite camp in defending what I think is the indefensible.

    The Liberal governments under John Howard and Peter Costello were in charge of a resources boom, the likes of which the world has never seen. Countries like Norway banked their benefits, but Peter Costello chose to cut taxes for the wealthy instead. He sold the farm for nothing. My pension that concerns you would have come from the resource boom, not like the Costello super fund that came from the sale of Telstra and set ups overseas.

    $72 billion of government assets were sold off by the Liberal Government. That sum was created using our taxes over decades, but the squandered resource boom could have, and should have, been paying for all pensions.

  10. Russell

    September 6, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    Re #58 … Yeah, right. Like your forest industry sabotaged itself through pure greed.

  11. Keith Antonysen

    September 6, 2018 at 11:48 am

    #57 … MjF, you use an ad hominem attack to try to promote your view. Ad hominem attacks are a display of not being able to counter arguments of another person, so the strategy is to make a personal attack.

    If you take a sociological view on coal, you would understand that the costs far out weigh any financial benefits from coal and other fossil fuels.

    Extreme events caused through climate change:
    . Loss of infrastructure, public and private.
    . Deaths from extreme weather events.
    . Businesses having to close down.
    . Travel routes no longer safe, travelling over thin ice, where once it had been thick and strong enough for snowmobiles. Drownings have happened.
    . Insect attacks on forests and agricultural crops.
    . Unreliable growing seasons.
    . Mosquito and tick borne diseases.
    . Deaths from heat stroke.
    . Respiratory diseases.
    . Wildfires
    . Coastal properties being undermined through storm surges.
    . Glaciers no longer providing reliable water resources for inhabitants living at lower altitudes.
    . Pipelines carrying oil bursting.

    So, hypocrisy has nothing to do with transitioning away from fossil fuels. We steal from young people if we do nothing.

    The mining of asbestos has been halted for good reason, yet the use of fossil fuels increases the terrible liabilities already being experienced. Climate change generates far worse outcomes than those presented by asbestos.

    By 2017, every continent had been impacted.

  12. MjF

    September 5, 2018 at 10:58 pm

    #56 … Nothing to do with eggs. Everything to do with your modest pension-based income. Who do you think funds your pension ? The good fairies ?

    Amongst a number of contributors are the resource based industries which provide valuable and ongoing income to government coffers via royalties, payg, payroll tax, GST, and billions in discretionary spending via wages.

    Resource industries include all the miners who dig up coal, iron ore and gas extraction. Your modest pension is funded by these industries. That makes you a hypocrite by accepting your fortnightly ‘pay’ while bagging the crap out of these industries and promoting closure.

    I suggest if coal and gas stops tomorrow then you will have a new appreciation of what ‘modest’ actually is. Do not delude yourself Max, because you are direct beneficiary of coal and gas mining whether you realise it or not.

    Of course you have a choice whether to accept it or not. A person with your views, if completely ethical, wouldn’t.

    #57 … Can be a number of reasons, including sabotage.

  13. Russell

    September 5, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    Re #54 … And what causes the leakages?

  14. max

    September 4, 2018 at 10:09 pm

    # 55, MjF … I am a poor humble pensioner and thankful for all I receive. Now that’s out of the way .. what has it got to do with the price of eggs?

    A hypocrite is a person who pretends to have certain beliefs, attitudes or feelings, when they really do not. An example of a hypocrite is a person who says they care about the environment, but are constantly littering. Well on that definition I am not a hypocrite, but I suspect you fit the bill.

    Australia may well become the biggest exporter of LNG .. to our shame.

    Take Norway. Norway has done well from its oil and gas. Unlike many resource-based nations, Norway has invested its petro dollars in such a way as to create and sustain other industries where it is also globally competitive. Australia is a resource-based nation and has sold the farm.

  15. Mjf

    September 4, 2018 at 7:03 pm

    #53 … Do you receive or rely on any form of government support/benefit or receive an allocated pension via a retail or industry super fund ? Be truthful.

    If so you are very likely being a hypocrite.

    Did you know Australia is set to become the world’s largest exporter of LNG ?

    https://dfat.gov.au/about-us/publications/Documents/australias-lng-exports-2003-04-to-2013-14.pdf

    You can cut to the chase and just read the Conclusion on the last page of the above link.

  16. Mjf

    September 4, 2018 at 6:48 pm

    Compete nonsense Langfield, although I expect nothing more. You’ll need to delve a little deeper. What have you provided as compelling evidence against drilling and fracking ?

    First link discusses radioactive elements in flowback water that are naturally present in the resident groundwater to start with. This deduction is hardly a revelation and written in true alarmist style. A total beat-up. Irrelevant observation.

    Second link speculates about cowboy American drillers in the US shale oil industry which currently is not under development or practiced in Australia but still makes no direct link to any documented pollution other than speculate that it could be. Irrelevant observation.

    Third link discusses leaching of naturally occurring metals in local soils into an aquifer via a faulty pond liner. Wow. Ummm … what do you think happens to these naturally occurring metals in the local soils when it rains ? How do aquifers re-charge ? Irrelevant observation.

    You should review your own ‘research’.

    I suggest you google Linc Energy. Then you will have something to hang your bonnet on, but only as far as UCG is concerned.

    I do agree there are undoubtedly areas of Qld that can’t be sold, eg areas that have been broken up into hobby farms for dysfunctional and deluded ‘lifestylers’. Blocks that only come with busted arse houses with dirt floors, no running water, no sanitation, no meaningful fencing and no community services available. Blocks that are overrun with pests and vermin, have no stock water infrastructure and are inhabited by residents with nothing more to do than feel compelled to whinge and complain about neighbouring gas companies. They do this in hope of yet another free lunch or compensation payout and also try to garner more hollow support from the main cash for comments mouthpiece, Alan Jones.

    Yes, I’m familiar with some of those places.

  17. max

    September 4, 2018 at 5:48 pm

    # 50, MjF … Why come to the defence of the coal seam gas fracking? At best it will give a profit to a soon-to-be-obsolete industry as a one off extraction of a limited amount of gas. At worse there is a risk, and I don’t care how small, to the water table and future farming .. for a very limited short term profit.

    The future of all energy is nuclear, fusion or Renewable. At the moment Renewables are winning.

  18. Russell

    September 4, 2018 at 3:08 pm

    Re #49 … Wrong, Fitch. There are areas of Qld that Estate Agents won’t touch because they know they can’t sell them.

    The Carmichael and Great Artesian Basins are too precious to risk.

    http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/radioactive-water-reignites-concerns-over-fracking-for-gas-20180622-p4zn4r.html

    http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/12/the-epa-finally-admitted-that-fracking-contaminates-drinking-water/

  19. MjF

    September 3, 2018 at 10:52 pm

    #49 … More correctly, less than 10% of Australia’s CSG gas wells have been fracked. It’s a safe process in Australia with no recorded environmental damage to aquifers or land. Removed and separated coal seam water is either desalinated and used for stock/irrigation, or directly re-injected back into the aquifer.

    Offshore natural gas is associated with different geology to CSG and is marginally less methane by composition, but flows freely and requires no fraccing. It is also considerably deeper to reach.

    Do not be afraid of onshore gas production RCH. It’s safe, predictable, very well regulated and uses world’s best practice. Also 90% of onshore wells flow without any fracking .. which is a fact conveniently overlooked by the scaremongers.

  20. Rob Halton

    September 3, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    #48 … MJF, I meant to say fracking or more correctly drilling for gas should be from under the sea sources and not “onshore” on land within the nation.

    I am quite comfortable with the continued use of coal which is cheap to generate reliable electricity without all of the fuss and bother associated with “fracking” on our land mass deep into our artesian water sources, interfering with nature to the degree, permanent damage results leaving the affected land permanently damaged.

    I agree that Qld will be the source of use of fossil fuels to be used for electricity production but we as a nation should exercise extreme caution with gas exploration on land.

    The continued use of coal also ensures we have some control of our essential metal industries staying within Australia which is becoming a major issue as Australia, in my opinion exports too much of its high grade coal and iron ore to China which is steadily posing a risk to our very existence with economic invasion.

    The path of deindustrialisation of the nation in itself brings with it uncertainty, at present its the blind leading the blind, ultimately we will pay the price as the predator dragon to the north swallows up whatever we give into!

    Australia will need to adopt a measure of economic nationalism to survive.

    Governments need to get on board with the reality facing us, currently governments are fractured and not united sufficiently to save Australia from itself.

    Leadership at all levels of government is out of control, where too next, sacking of the new PM for another.

    Climate change might be the elephant in the room, but coal needs to remain in the energy equation till such a time we could depend on more Renewables coming into circulation.

    The take up of onshore energy entities by government is essential to ensure a fairer deal for Australians ensuring that they do not continue as cash cows for offshore investors as seems to be the case at present.

  21. MjF

    September 2, 2018 at 11:57 pm

    $44, Halton … What? Only off shore gas production should be allowed in Australia. Any particular reason for that ?

    Do you know the % of wells that are actually fracked and what it is ?

    Do you realise Clive Palmer has re-registered the United Australia Party and is re-entering politics at the federal level ?

    This man is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. He’s virtually manipulated himself back into public favour in Townsville by convincing his critics he’s actually a victim in the QNI shemozzle.

    This should be a concern for the renewables clique with real possibility of further cross bench support for coal and gas. Just more support for the KAP members.

    The fun hasn’t started yet.

  22. Keith Antonysen

    September 2, 2018 at 7:05 pm

    Rob … I have provided numerous references as to why fossil fuels are a curse on humanity.
    On other TT articles I have challenged you to provide science as to why I might be wrong.

    You haven’t provided anything, so your comments about trying to reduce the impact of climate change are therefore meaningless.

    The Liberals have just proved they cannot rule themselves. They need to be in Opposition to decide whether they are an odious extreme right party or a right party.

  23. max

    September 2, 2018 at 3:34 pm

    # 44, Rob … you are stubborn, inflexible, dogmatic and intractable in the face of the blindingly obvious. It is a trait that served you well in your career in the destruction of Tasmania’s forestry industry and it is still with you with climate change. It doesn’t pay to have an inflexible out look on what is actually happening in the world around us.

    If people such as yourself refuse to face up to reality, then we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes. In the case of climate change the reality is that it will destroy the future of our children if we continue to think that we can ignore even the possibility of climate change.

    The way I see climate change, what is the worse that can happen? If I am wrong and it is not happening, then the world will continue on with a few hiccups with energy. If I am right, and you are wrong, then there is not even a hope of a future for humanity.

  24. Russell

    September 2, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    Re #44 … “Renewables have to be approached with caution.”

    Bulldust!

    Coal has to be avoided like the pox.

    “The Climate Change supporters can be worried without those old golden oldies who burn coal life will never be the same.”

    Bulldust!

    Those of us already with fully Renewable systems don’t have to worry about anything at all.

    While your ‘reliable’ coal-powered systems shut down whole states when climate change induced winds knock your towers over, or bush-fires do the same, off-grid renewable systems will still be up and running while everyone else is in the dark.

    Fitting really, for cave-dweller thinkers.

  25. Rob Halton

    September 2, 2018 at 2:39 am

    Renewables have to be approached with caution, getting the balance right seems to be the hardest thing that governments are struggling with whether it be political or common sense, at present there is no middle ground what so ever!

    Lots of bullshit about pumped Hydro, never hear of it before until recently, some sort of fantasy now that there is panic over a bit of good old coal fired electricity to keep the nation ticking.

    Any clown knows that subterranan fracking is out of the question, even I as a non Green but green individual know that gas extraction has its limitations and its only offshore production that should be allowed in Australia.

    Good old Tasmania is lucky by having over 90% Hydro that is until some clown sells our electricity to the mainland as of recently the Hydro reckon have their larger storages between 35-45% full that is pretty good.

    God forbid its only Spring which is forecast ot be dry and I would hesitate to say those levels are safe, we as Tasmanians are told anything the government wants to throw at us.

    With a Federal election coming up in March next year the election result could be fought over energy, in particular if we have dry hot summer with a few blackouts in the SE states due to incompatible electricity sources on extremly hot days.

    The Climate Change supporters can be worried without those old golden oldies who burn coal life will never be the same.

    As far as I am concerned those who want to can vote with their foot in their mouth and vote for Labor, I’ll be voting for what is considered to generate RELIABLE electricity and that wont be a reliance on Renewables particularly those that dont exist and are outside of projected costs for installation.

    Again I am saying a balanced measure of electricity and other sources of energy with a small gain over the next decade from Renewables investment.

    heading straight into Renewables at 45% as SA did is a disasterous recipe for the nation, without Vic, NSW and Tas in the grid they would be in big trouble.

  26. Russell

    August 30, 2018 at 1:11 pm

    Re #42 … For the last time answer the question .. “What’s wrong with immediately shifting to Renewables?”

  27. Lynne Newington

    August 29, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    #41 … You still could’ve replied as I was waiting to see the conversation between you both.
    “Christianity seems to be the biggest, or only, requisite in your admiration of all the others you think will do a good job for Australia.”

    It’s all about hypocrisy.

    We have a right to expect our politicians to have a moral benchmark. With all the hoo-hah with Barnaby Joyce. Malcolm Turnbull was the right man and in another lifetime, others put on notice too, don’t worry. Including Bill Shorten, long before the Michaela Cash episode.

    Clean skin Tanya Plibersek .. a PM in waiting in my opinion, no scandal baggage, and just what Australia needs as an alternate government when the occasion arises.

  28. Russell

    August 29, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    Re #40 … Got your numbers crossed again, Lynne? Whoops, there’s that damned cross issue again!

    Why don’t you re-read Keith Antonysen’s comment at #38 and try to understand it? He’s agreeing with me.

    “It’s nothing to do with Bill Shorten’s Christianity.”

    Christianity seems to be the biggest, or only, requisite in your admiration of all the others you think will do a good job for Australia.

    Answer the question .. “What’s wrong with immediately shifting to Renewables?”

  29. Lynne Newington

    August 29, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    #38 … Why don’t you reply to Keith Antonysen at #39?

    It’s nothing to do with Bill Shorten’s Christianity.

  30. Russell

    August 29, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    Re #37 … Closer to home then, why don’t you look at Clive Palmer ripping his mining workers off?

    If you don’t hire union members there’s nothing any Trade Union can do to affect your operation.

    If you had any working experience in the real world you would know a little more than just blindly believing the words of one anti-social christian ring-wing capitalist pig after another.

    Don’t know why you’re on about Bill Shorten. Isn’t he Christian enough for you?

    Bill Shorten isn’t the one trying to get Adani in the door and offering them billions of our dollars to pollute our country and steal our resources, or saying we should be building more coal-fired power stations, is he?

    Capitalists are not the extreme right-wing of the Liberal Party; the Liberal Party is the extreme right-wing of the capitalists. The capitalists are not there to serve the LNP. The LNP is there to serve the capitalists. The capitalists are the masters and the politicians are the servants and they are in power.

    Get it?

  31. Keith Antonysen

    August 28, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    Russell #36 … you do not hear the LNP acknowledge that South Australia’s huge battery saved the day for Victoria when a Loy Yang power plant broke down. Or, when there are high winds in other States, that there were power black outs.

    The lies of omission come thick and fast from politicians. Joyce on the 7.30 Report the other night, stated that he does not trust his peers.

  32. Lynne Newington

    August 28, 2018 at 1:48 pm

    #36 … You seriously don’t think Adani is going to pay proper wages? Research their recent history.

    So Adani is the only mining company? I’m well aware of who they are thank you very much, as a full supporter for jobs for our own.

    As I said .. where’s Bill Shorten? Where are the protests from the unions even without his support?

    Labour unions are not the industrial wing of the Labor Party; the Labor Party is the political wing of the unions. The unions are not there to serve the ALP. The ALP is there to serve the unions. The unions are the masters and the politicians are the servants.

    Work that out.

  33. Russell

    August 28, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    Re #35 … When they are paid and are treated better here than in their own homeland they jump at the chance. You seriously don’t think Adani is going to pay proper wages? Research their recent history.

    Frydenburg’s pathetic Ministerial record speaks for itself. He blamed everyone but his own Party’s coal-driven Climate Change for causing the SA blackout. Couldn’t admit it was the extraordinary resulting wind that blew his towers over to shut the system down. The coal and gas turbines were operational and shut down with it. Coal is not the answer … it is the problem.

    What’s wrong with immediately shifting to Renewables?

  34. Lynne Newington

    August 27, 2018 at 10:19 pm

    #34 … If low paid foreign FIFO workers continue to be treated so badly, they won’t come here.

    Anyway, where are Labor’s unions fighting for their own workers and marching through the city streets, beating drums and carrying placards?
    Either way, there’s no question about Josh Frydenburg’s transparency you’re trying to question.
    Let’s see what the new man on the block does.

  35. Russell

    August 27, 2018 at 4:02 pm

    Re #33 … What unemployment? One machine does what hundreds of workers used to do, and can be operated by low-paid FIFO foreigners.

    There are more sustainable and better paid jobs to be created in the Renewable Energy sector, and they will also reduce carbon emissions.

  36. Lynne Newington

    August 26, 2018 at 7:53 pm

    #32 … If it means employment, who benefits?
    And there’s no question about his transparency as far as illegal kickbacks.

  37. Russell

    August 26, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    Re #26 … “At least Josh Frydenberg comes from a community who don’t believe in proselyting, and stands as a man prepared to serve the best interests of the nation.”

    You are joking, aren’t you?

    He serves the Coal and fracking industries. How on earth does that serve our best interests?

  38. TGC

    August 26, 2018 at 12:21 am

    #18, “…his real measure will be if he can take action to reduce the cause of climate change .. Carbon emissions.”
    The last thing any nation should be seeking, and the international community especially, is someone in political power who can affect ‘climate change’.

  39. Lynne Newington

    August 25, 2018 at 4:37 am

    #24 and #21 … I do recall now, thanks. I think TT had an article wherein I commented, stating that it was a disgrace Abbott taking the liberty of using his name and legacy for his own political purposes.

  40. Lynne Newington

    August 25, 2018 at 4:16 am

    #27 … For whatever reason, are you asking me a technical question re section 44 of our constitution? If it’s that important to you look it up for yourself.
    I’m feeling too patriotic [and I’m not even Jewish] after spending the evening with friends watching the old film, Cast a Giant Shadow. It’s the story of an American colonel, after serving his country with distinction in World War II, responded to the appeal of a beleaguered country in the Middle East, and became one of the truly great heroes of modern Israel .. the only soldier interred at West Point who was killed while fighting under a foreign flag.

    It included concentration camp survivors who helped dig rocks to make a pathway, against the odds, for Israeli soldiers fighting to protect their newly established homeland when invaded by Egypt.

    It’s a good watch, and you may learn something instead of being so contentious.

  41. max

    August 25, 2018 at 2:36 am

    # 24, Keith … When we passed 350 ppm it was almost game over. The ice caps were melting and the time for them to fully melt was well into the future. We are now 410 ppm and the future is closing in fast. When the ice is gone, so has ice latent heat, so has reflection and dark water will heat quickly. Every centimetre of sea rise is drowning fertile river deltas .. and the list goes on.
    When the temperature goes into super drive, how many of the 9 billion people can be crammed into survival domes or Kim’s space ark?
    Our leaders are playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded revolver

  42. Simon Warriner

    August 24, 2018 at 11:17 pm

    Re #26 … A technical question re section 44 of our constitution.

    Do practicing Jews have automatic rights to Israeli citizenship available to them, and how do they denounce that right in order to legally sit in our parliament? Isn’t that automatic right and it’s effective denunciation the very same issue that brought about that last round of by-elections?

  43. Lynne Newington

    August 24, 2018 at 6:51 pm

    #22 … I have to agree.

    Julia Gillard reigned independently of any religious flag, held full respect for others’ beliefs, yet we lost her.

    The Liberals had Tony Abbott and Heffernan on the Catholic side who treated her abysmally, setting the standards for others to do the same, and Hill Song invaded through Howard, Costello and Alex Downer.

    At least Josh Frydenberg comes from a community who don’t believe in proselyting, and stands as a man prepared to serve the best interests of the nation.

  44. Snowy

    August 24, 2018 at 6:38 pm

  45. Keith Antonysen

    August 24, 2018 at 6:00 pm

    Lynne #20 … I’m well aware that Morrison is a Pentacostal Christian.

    In response to another TT article, I have suggested that as far as climate change is concerned we might as well have a drover’s dog as Prime Minister.

    Lynne, the “Monash Morons” are the extreme right wing of the LNP who are pushing coal mines and coal fired power stations very hard.

    In relation to climate change, not only is the LNP useless, but dangerous as well.

    Steffen et al have provided research about heading towards a “hothouse” climate. They say we can still stop the worst impacts if we devote incredible resources to warding off the worst blows. It becomes harder once major tipping points have been bypassed.

  46. Tim Thorne

    August 24, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    It will be interesting to see how much more blood will be shed over preselections, especially in NSW, given the threat from the extreme right in that state that “All hell will break loose” because they hate Morrison so much.

    He is seen in those quarters as a traitor. Much as they hate the ALP, the Greens and the moderate Libs, they hate a traitor more.

    This story is a fair way still from its last chapter.

  47. Russell

    August 24, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    Re #16 … “I hope his Evangelical roots fare the nation well.”

    Wake up time, Lynne. The greedy self-centred inhuman followers of Christianity have caused this ridiculous situation. Don’t expect anything but worse.

  48. Lynne Newington

    August 24, 2018 at 2:12 pm

    #18 … Who are the Monash Morons to whom you refer?
    The only “Monash connection” I’m aware of is Josh Frydenberg, and then only for their Jewish roots.
    Out of all the changes as speaking, he would be a great asset to the Liberals in his role and prime minister in waiting. Assuredly, in due course not by disloyalty.

  49. Lynne Newington

    August 24, 2018 at 1:48 pm

    #19 … You don’t think Morrison isn’t ideologically driven with the connection to the faith he practices? Google it.

    Anyone who believes in messages from God, prophecy, visions, praying in tongues and interpretations is open to influences in my opinion, especially dangerous when in a position of power.

    A good example is then archbishop of Buenos Aries, now Pope, seeking a blessing and laying of hands with all the crimes committed in Argentina during the dictatorship during his timeline and the role of the Catholic Church, not to mention the abuse of children even there.

    It was John Paul II who saved him by making him a cardinal in 2001, and Greg Bourke, his PR man who changed his image.

    No thanks, not for me at least, and good luck to anyone else.

    https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=jY6AW9WzAderoATu75f4AQ&q=tradition+in+action+pope+francis+and+protestant+blessing&oq=tradition+in+action+pope+francis+and+protestant+blessing&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i160k1.3911.22050.0.22614.56.38.0.18.18.0.365.7357.2-25j3.28.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..10.43.7434…0j0i131k1j0i22i30k1j33i21k1.0.V5FfayItvS0

  50. Keith Antonysen

    August 24, 2018 at 12:08 pm

    A few diverse points:

    Elsewhere, somebody suggested that Liberal MPs have forfeited their right to complain about workers going on strike after the Liberals shut down Parliament to sort out the mess they had created within their own Party. The Liberals went on strike by closing the Parliament session early to sort out a matter that had been simmering since Turnbull knifed Abbott, squandering a huge amount of tax payers’ contributions.

    The result is probably worse than had Turnbull stayed Prime Minister, the schism between the right (often termed moderates) and the extreme right has been papered over.

    Morrison, having taken a piece of coal into Parliament and spruiking a pro-coal message means we cannot expect any sensible approach to climate change. Reckless indifference will continue with an existential matter.

    Morrison comes with a history of cruelty exhibited in relation to refugees when he was Imigration Minister.

    A number of Liberal politicians were interviewed yesterday and were asked why the leadership had come up so quickly after the leadership spill earlier in the week. There was no sensible response, so the only conclusion that makes sense is that hate and revenge were the main factors.

    We now have a government divided into 3 sections; the National Party, the extreme right ideological-driven wreckers, and the right wing.

    One good thing is that the ideologically driven insurgents did not get their leadership team elected.

  51. philll Parsons

    August 24, 2018 at 11:58 am

    Morrison may wish to do something for the drought affected humans, but his real measure will be if he can take action to reduce the cause of climate change .. Carbon emissions.

    The same Monash Morons sit there within the Liberal Party. Inside or out of the cabinet is yet to be decided.

    Along with the rest of us, the drought affected will soon know if the new PM can see beyond the farm gate, beyond the next election and beyond the lives of his daughter’s children.

    Otherwise, we will know that the lump of coal he carried into the Parliament has infected his heart and his head, and Morrison has transmogrified into the Pinocchio of Abbott, the IPA and old King Coal.

  52. Kevin Moylan

    August 24, 2018 at 11:05 am

    Coup leader Abbott’s first words after his betrayal and deceit for consciously and deliberately imploding an elected government, were .. “I/WE are patriots!”

    If those responsible are self-ascribed patriots, who are our sovereign enemies? This is frightening!

    “You’re never to be so patriotic that you cannot face the truth. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.” MALCOLM X (Assassinated weeks later)

  53. Lynne Newington

    August 24, 2018 at 8:30 am

    #14 … I hope his Evangelical roots fare the nation well. Based on love, renewal and forgiveness seven times seven .. but not much mention of accountability that would suit many with religious freedoms and the anti-discrimination law to support them.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/australias-new-pm-scott-morrison-is-evangelical-christian-who-took-credit-for.

  54. Luigi

    August 24, 2018 at 12:48 am

    And one just for Erich: Where will Colebeck be on the Senate ticket in May?

  55. Luigi

    August 24, 2018 at 12:46 am

    ScoMo’s first party trick will be the Ministry list.

    Does he reward the mutinous plotters like our own Erich and Tony Abbott and return them to the Ministry .. thus ensuring electoral annihilation in May .. or does he select on merit across the factional spectrum?

    I feel a slogan coming on. Something about “Renewal” would be good.

  56. Heather Donaldson

    August 23, 2018 at 11:49 pm

    All this talk of “generational change”. Isn’t that a bit ageist? And I bet that Julie Bishop is far fitter than most of these men !

  57. Simon Warriner

    August 23, 2018 at 11:45 pm

    What to say? This was inevitable, and what will follow will be equally inevitable. The latest round of internal blood-letting will serve to further lower the quality of aspirants for the role of party candidates by driving away smart people who don’t like bullshit and bullying. That further reduction of the talent pool will ensure yet another round of disasters. The downward spiral continues.

    How can the voters avoid this? Stop supporting party politics – and the inevitable decline in standards of governance that come with it.

    And the ABC wetting their knickers about the colour and movement of it all .. and not asking about the cause and effects. Truly pathetic.

  58. Peter Henning

    August 23, 2018 at 10:41 pm

    #4 … What you say is true, but Turnbull gave the green light to everything that Dutton did. He supported the horrors of the concentration camps, the indefinite detention of men, women and children, the dismissal of any and every call from human rights activists, the United Nations, the New Zealand government and others.

    Turnbull has followed all the policies of the previous Abbott-Hockey administration in entirety, even to the extent of trying to shut down adverse comment from the ABC .. as demonstrated by his bullying attack on Emma Alberici.

    The irony for Turnbull is that he thought his right to rule, suave image and rhetoric of being ‘agile and innovative’ and his confident sense of entitlement, were sufficient guarantors of success, irrespective of whatever policies he chose to follow.

    He seems to have had no idea that leadership credibility requires some congruence between rhetoric and practice, rather than total confusion between the two.

    He also demonstrated he had no interest in addressing any areas of inequality or disadvantage, but was more interested in exacerbating socio-economic divisions. In other words, his deposition of Tony Abbott was done on false premises, based on the lie that image was more important than substance.

    The problem for Morrison is that nothing has changed. He won’t change the policy directions which deny climate change, which ignore growing socio-economic inequality and which endorse myopia across the policy spectrum.

    Morrison’s vision is a bit of coal.

  59. Luigi

    August 23, 2018 at 9:41 pm

    Scott Morrison’s background is marketing. He’s good at it. We are entering a period of “government by slogan”.

    Go ScoMo!

  60. John Hawkins

    August 23, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    Damm, Damm, Dammmmmmmm …

    Abbott and Abetz set up their stool pigeon Dutton for a hard right coup which would have seen them reinstalled into positions of power.

    They told him they would deliver the numbers!

    Now all three will have to work on dethroning Morrisson.

    Morrison may just save the Liberals from the dustbin of history.

    The battle is not over yet.

    The Haters still Hate.

  61. phill Parsons

    August 23, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    It’s the lump of coal guy.

    Goodbye to many verities in our lives as he sticks to it.

    Only a change will give some reprieve to all things affected by Carbon emissions, which when you think about it, is everything.

  62. Lynne Newington

    August 23, 2018 at 5:26 pm

    #4. I thought his requesting of names was a brilliant move.
    To hell with those who live on secrets and cowards not put their name to what they say.
    They’re paid by taxpayers and they have a right to know who they are too in my opinion.
    I’ve seen enough of it in the Catholic Church, [also paid for out of taxpayer’s money].
    No wonder they want to hang on to the Confessional at all costs.

  63. elk

    August 23, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    A Dutton leadership will cause the coalition to lose their young and progressive moderates as well as indigenous people and immigrants due to Dutton’s past in shunning the national apology and his un-sympathetic stance against refugees. The right wing media commentators will be pleased with their influencing a Dutton PM although thankfully an election will result in a total wipe out of the coalition which will wipe the smile off their racist faces.

  64. Russell

    August 23, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    Australians are sick to bloody death of the back-stabbing and in-fighting of the egotistic narcissistic power-mongers within political parties, while absolutley nothing is achieved socially, economically or environmentally.

    Turnbull will be outed, hopefully the inhuman Dutton is found to be ineligible to sit in Parliament, and there will be another very unwelcome Federal election very soon.

    If so, I hope the Liberals and Labor are smashed out of relevance and Australia heads towards an inclusive and caring society and actualy does something immediately about seriously combatting Global Warming and corruption within politics. ICAC.

    The northern hemisphere has been in flames, even above the Arctic Circle. There have been +35C above average days in the Arctic this year. There are nearly 2000 bushfires currently in NSW and QLD, and it’s winter! A huge section of eastern Australia is in drought and it’s not even in an El Nino phase. And Victoria and Tasmania are shitting themselves with the coming summer fire season.

    Wake up you morons!

  65. John Biggs

    August 23, 2018 at 2:41 pm

    The one clever and statesman-like thing Turnbull ever did was his departing speech and his insistence on the names. Otherwise (sorry Lynne) but he brought it all on himself. Had he stared the nutters down at the very first it is most likely this shemozzle would never have happened.

    Bishop stepped in to present a more centrist alternative to the two die-hard cons. For the sake of the Liberal party I hope she gets it, but for the sake of Australia I hope Dutton does or even Morrison – for that will then spell the end of the Libs for the next 2 -3 elections .. by which time they might get their act together.

    Everything Dutton has done in the past week or so should rule him out, eg lying about having the numbers when he hadn’t, treachery to Turnbull while claiming loyalty; bullying; bribing supporters with cabinet posts whether they are suitable for them or not (like Sarah Henderson who had the courage to come out and say what a corrupt bastard Dutton is); his flouting of the rules by gaining profits out of government decisions, so it appears … and that’s not even mentioning his disastrous term as health Minister; his crimes against humanity as Immigration minister and then Home affairs …

  66. phill Parsons

    August 23, 2018 at 2:18 pm

    It seems the SG’s advice is that the High Court may or may not decide Dutton is eligible, but on the limited evidence he has available he feels that he is.

    It also seems the 43 signatures have been gathered and so the Liberals will meet to consider what form their hara-kiri will take.

    If that is so, then it is now the question of a spill motion .. most likely after Turnbull addresses the meeting.

    If the meeting agrees to spill the leadership then Turnbull is gone, and there will be a few rounds followed by an announcement from the Whip.

    Probably 1 pm will tell us if the bleeding will go on .. as Abbott snipes until next May .. or if there is an election this year.

  67. Lynne Newington

    August 23, 2018 at 12:54 pm

    Having always admired Malcolm Turnbull as a person and family man, no doubt due to his upbringing within a single family unit and father who always respected his mother, I feel that the handling of his present dilemma is as stately as a dancing brolga.

    Regardless of the present outcome, he’ll never lose .. and I wish him well.

  68. philll Parsons

    August 23, 2018 at 11:39 am

    The media is all excited as though it is reporting on a school-yard brawl.

    Dutton has several hurdles to pass first.

    The Solicitor General’s opinion that he is eligible to sit and the 43 signatures calling for a Party Room meeting.

    If either condition is not met, Turnbull can remain PM. What surprises is they are running someone less popular against the sitting PM.

    And so we face the day.

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