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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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Mr Trump and Gaza …

*Cartoon: Martyn Turner, used with permission: https://www.facebook.com/martynturnercartoons/ . http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/martyn-turner

Guardian: Israel: Trump’s new embassy opens – and dozens are killed Gaza counts its dead as tens of thousands protest in bloodiest day since 2014 war

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17 Comments

  1. Leonard Colquhoun

    May 24, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    At last – PM Turmbull has shown he has a set! (No, not a pair, that’d be ever so genderist, but a 32-item set of vertebrae) He’s 100% in line with Nietzsche’s dictum in TT’s masthead.

    He said ‘No!’ to the utterly absurd UNHRC’s most recent bit of ‘theatre of the absurd’ in its contemptible Pot-Kettle-Black spray about Gaza’s theatre of victimhood. The following news story puts the PM’s ‘No!’ in context.

    “Nine members of the UN Human Rights Council accused of violating human rights” – The [GB] independent, Thurs 21 Sept ’17.

    “A new report details violations against people in those working with the UN on human rights issues.

    “Twenty-nine countries are said to retaliate against citizens that help the United Nations with its human rights work in those countries, according to a new UN report. . . This is a record.

    “China and Saudi Arabia have been on the list six out of eight years.

    “Nine of the 29 countries listed are actually members of the Human Rights Council, a Geneva-based group made up of 47 UN member countries. These are^ Burundi [19/100], China [15/100], Cuba [15/100], Egypt [26/100], India [77/100], Rwanda [24/100], Saudi Arabia [10/100], the United Arab Emirates [20/100] and Venezuela [30/100].”

    ^ list rearranged alphabetically; [nn/100] – ‘Freedom House’ rankings where 100/100 = most free to 0/100 = least free

    Remember, the eight tyrannies in this nine are members of the UN’s Human Rights Council! No, that is NOT a typo.

    FYI, rankings of nations which attract the most TT vitriol: Australia [98/100], Great Britain [95/100], Indonesia [65/100], Israel [80/100], United States [89/100].

    And BTW, seven of the nine nations scoring 98 to 100 /100 are constitutional monarchies.

  2. Lynne Newington

    May 19, 2018 at 5:40 pm

    #12 “The actions being carried out by the Israeli military forces at the behest of their democratically elected (take note, Lynne)”

    You’ve just twisted my comment Simon, if I’ve understood correctly, with a little reading material in addition to mull over.

    http://www.jwire.com.au/abbas-and-hamas-stage-non-peaceful-rage/

  3. Simon Warriner

    May 18, 2018 at 11:13 pm

    Re #12 … Leonard, that you fail to refute the details of the description I gave at #8 is noted. I won’t be quoting from any allegedly forged document, or accusing anyone of a medieval blood libel. The actions being carried out by the Israeli military forces at the behest of their democratically elected (take note, Lynne) government in the here and now damn all those responsible all the way to hell. That is more than enough.

    Also noted is your attempt to invoke Godwin’s rule, a rather amusing and ironic attempt to end the debate with you as winner. From where I sit, it look like a loss.

  4. Lynne Newington

    May 18, 2018 at 8:28 pm

    #12 … “Interestingly, many Orthodox Jews oppose Israel too, for religious reasons. Can you be an anti-Semitic Semite? Or are they just self-hating?”

    These days many Orthodox Jews, who were exempt from doing their time in the defence force, are now joining up.

    That’s a sign of democracy in my opinion, and certainly not a case of self-hating.

  5. Lynne Newington

    May 18, 2018 at 7:40 pm

    #9 … “In looking for reasons behind this wicked modern day Zionist barbarism, I have deduced that even the deepest lessons of history are forgotten and ignored within a few generations.”

    #10 … “Perhaps I have this wrongly, and if so, then Lynne (or you) might correct me.”

    Garry: This is not the best site with all the side dishes, but a simple novel and interesting historical breakdown, I thought.

    (YouTube: Debunking the Palestinian Lie)

  6. Jack

    May 18, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    #11 … Well yes, probably.

    When you call people ‘anti-Semites’ for being critical of the way in which the state kills people, then that does kind of force them on the same team as the nut bags and morons who have long said such things. Words and labels are powerful Leonard, and the intentional strategy to label everyone a bigot who does not love the actions of a rogue state is about to hit home. It’s tragic. It’s stupid. It’s self destructive.

    Interestingly, many Orthodox Jews oppose Israel too, for religious reasons. Can you be an anti-Semitic Semite? Or are they just self-hating?

  7. Leonard Colquhoun

    May 18, 2018 at 5:01 pm

    Given the tone and content of some of the above posts, it can’t be long before a version of Godwin’s Rule is met, with readers getting accusations of the European mediaeval anti-Semitic Blood Libel and quotes from the ‘Protocols of [the Meetings of the Learned] Elders of Zion’.

  8. garrystannus@hotmail.com

    May 18, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    Au contraire Peter #9 … Your excerpt from Lynne’s #7 was merely her own quote of Christopher’s #5.

    Lynne’s comments seem to be aimed against Mahmoud Abbas (‘Abu’ Mazen) and while there is perhaps much to criticise about Abbas’s leadership, there is still the undeniable fact that from the time (and even before it) of the Balfour Declaration, the Palestinians, freed from the Ottoman yoke, have expressed their desire for their own independent homeland.

    Instead, they got the State of Israel imposed on them. I don’t think Peter, that Lynne was expressing sympathy for the Palestinians – though perhaps she may have some. Rather, I think that Lynne was (perhaps correctly) tilting against Abbas while not expressing support for the dispossessed Palestinians.

    Perhaps I have this wrongly, and if so, then Lynne (or you) might correct me.

    Garry.

  9. Peter Bright

    May 18, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    Lynne Newington at #7 says it concisely ..

    [i]”The terrible and brutal irony is that Zionist colonial ambitions have turned Zion into the very thing it escaped from after the holocaust!”[/i]

    In looking for reasons behind this wicked modern day Zionist barbarism, I have deduced that even the deepest lessons of history are forgotten and ignored within a few generations.

    By behaving as it does, and with irrational, merciless, undisguised and defiant glee, [i]Zionism is setting itself up for Holocaust Mk II.[/i]

    Israel has set itself apart from humanity.

    [b]Those with the greatest power have the greatest responsibility to use it wisely.[/b]

    Israel says No.

  10. Simon Warriner

    May 18, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    Re #4 … It is entirely laughable to defend the Zionist murder of unarmed protesters (by shooting them from cover, using snipers) by attempting to divert attention to the abysmal treatment of aborigines and the rolling mess that is Australia’s management of the fallout from that. This is typical behaviour from supporters of the brutal Zionist regime that is Israel, though.

    Let me spell it out …

    Their is the proposition that a bunch of mostly European Jews (a religion, not an ethnic group originating in Palestine, see here: http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-ashkenazi-jews-dna-diseases-20140909-story.html) could be placed in a region from which they did not genetically originate some two and a bit thousand years after the early adherents to that religion left the region, displace through terrorism and murder the local inhabitants whose ancestors had remained in the region, be granted through political chicanery, and worse, the state of nationhood, and then proceed to persecute the original inhabitants of that land, stealing from them their birthright, herding them into open air prisons and imposing an apartheid regime upon them that has culminated in that imposed regime’s sniping and tear-gassing, indiscriminately, unarmed protesters trapped on the other side of an exclusion fence within their open air prison.

  11. Lynne Newington

    May 18, 2018 at 1:50 pm

    #5 … The terrible and brutal irony is that Zionist colonial ambitions have turned Zion into the very thing it escaped from after the holocaust !

    http://mida.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Abbas-Review.pdf

  12. Jack

    May 18, 2018 at 12:37 pm

    #5 … Yep, and by conflating ‘anti-Semitism’ with criticism of Israeli policy they have managed to unite actual rabid anti-Semites with an axe to grind with (probably) the majority of thinking people who are concerned by Israel’s direction and the freedoms of all peoples concerned.

    This is barking mad and self destructive.

    #4 … Professional victimhood? I agree. The Russians and Chinese suffered 90% of the casualties of WW2. Some 27 million Russians died fighting the Nazis. Probably more than half of the Holocaust victims were Russians, whereas Poles and other groups we never hear about.

    The Russian army got rid of the Nazis from Europe with the role of the USA and UK was minor in comparison.

    So will you be visiting a museum to the victims of Russian and Chinese genocide today, Leonard?

    Because there is no business like shoah business.

  13. Christopher Eastman-Nagle

    May 18, 2018 at 3:01 am

    The terrible and brutal irony is that Zionist colonial ambitions have turned Zion into the very thing it escaped from after the holocaust….

  14. Leonard Colquhoun

    May 18, 2018 at 1:38 am

    #3, Re #1 and #2 … Political correctness” – !?!?!?

    Wouldn’t ‘political correctness’ be more likely to be pro-Palestinian and anti-Jewish / Semitic / Israel?

    One day, the Palestinians will be seen as case studies in the absurdity of [identity politics + ‘professional’ victimhood] as are (very sadly) many outback Aboriginal communities as shown in how at-risk children can be left for years in utterly abysmally bad households, because it is PC to do so.

  15. Simon Warriner

    May 18, 2018 at 12:40 am

    Re #1 and #2 … Political correctness .. advancing the proposition that it is possible to pick a turd up by the clean end.

    Good to see where you really stand. It is a lot like blaming a rape victim for having an orifice, really.

  16. Leonard Colquhoun

    May 17, 2018 at 2:36 pm

    As renowned former Israeli FM Abba Eban put it “The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity”.

    Another long-suffering people (since 1172, not just 1922) got a quantum of solace from the 1922 Anglo-Irish Treaty. After a moronic civil war (which cost the Irish their most promising leader) they got on with their 26/32nds of a solution and, despite IRA terrorist campaigns in the 1950s and the 1970s-1990s, never looked to indiscriminate guerilla terrorism as a ‘final solution’.

    Oh BTW, a 2004 Guardian story has this for our contemplation: ‘Karim Nashashibi, the IMF’s chief auditor, alleged at a press conference in Dubai that as much as $900 M had been diverted between 1995 and 2000 into “a special account controlled by Yasser Arafat”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/12/france.israel

    Some hero! Happy indeed the land which has no such ‘heroes’!

    Despite 6/32nds of the island of Hibernia still being under foreign administration, the Irish people generally were never so gullible as to be suckered into irrational, rabid and utterly self-defeating anti-Britishism.

    The Palestinians, by contrast, have got themselves into an ever-worsening spiral of stupidity and gullibility in thinking that fellow Arabs and their governments actually give a kira (as distinct from using them as ‘useful idiots’) or that the equally gullible own-heritage hating Western Left will lead them from their ongoing House of endless War to a House of long-lasting Prosperity.

  17. Lynne Newington

    May 14, 2018 at 2:28 pm

    Shocking – women and children are being used upfront as tools whilst the real culprit Mahmoud Abbas is tucked away in safety.

    His confidence is validated due to the fact he has the support of the Holy See [referred to as the Angel of Peace by Pope Francis] who for their own political agenda, now fearful for their loss of clout with their embassy safely ensconced in East Jerusalem.
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/2000/documents/rc_seg-st_20000215_santa-sede-olp_en.html

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