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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

Economy

Liberal senator urged to prove eligibility

First published August 9

Liberal senator Eric Abetz is being urged to provide proof he renounced his German citizenship before being elected to federal parliament …

Veteran Liberal senator Eric Abetz is being urged to provide proof he renounced his German citizenship before being elected to the Australian parliament.

Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson pointed the finger at Senator Abetz in parliament on Wednesday, as he paid tribute to two former colleagues, Scott Ludlam and Larissa Waters, who resigned in July after discovering they were dual citizens.

He called on Senator Abetz to come to the chamber and provide documentation showing exactly when he renounced his German citizenship.

Liberal colleague Ian Macdonald asked the comment be withdrawn given Senator Abetz is absent from parliament this week because of a family illness.

Senate President Stephen Parry has been asked to decide whether the comment should be withdrawn.

Senator Abetz has previously described the claims as “absurd”, insisting they have been comprehensively disproved …

Read more, SBS, HERE

• Editor’s comment …

The Senate is a club …

My guess is that Eric Abetz reads TT and decided that a non-appearance would save him from answering the question on the floor of the Senate …

He was present the day before for the Monday postal vote in Canberra.

Perhaps Leon Compton (Tasmornings, ABC) would like to fill us in with where he was for yesterday morning’s interview on gay marriage.

The matter has now been referred to the President of the Senate.

The President, Senator Stephen Parry, is another Tasmanian and he owes his job in the Senate and his position as President, to the power of Eric Abetz.

These boys are clever, devious and determined to keep their snouts in the public trough …

7 Comments

7 Comments

  1. John Hayward

    August 9, 2017 at 12:06 am

    I’d like to see the legal advice John Hawkins received to withdraw from his original court challenge. Lawyers generally show more loyalty to other lawyers and to judges than to clients.

    John Hayward

  2. Luigi

    August 9, 2017 at 1:06 am

    It seems that Senator Roberts will now be having his citizenship referred to the High Court. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/hanson-to-personally-ask-senate-to-refer-malcolm-roberts-to-high-court/news-story/4d20e3a171dbb099aeeef02b0f1a4d9e

    His circumstances don’t seem all that different to Abetz’s – except that the timing of Roberts’s renunciation of foreign citizenship is relevant to the most recent election.

  3. O'Brien

    August 9, 2017 at 10:41 am

    Senator Abetz, like Tony Abbott is an instrument of the Lord God. Doing God’s work here on earth. When the stakes are the future of mankind, battling heathen degenerates, any means are justified. There ain’t no arguing with divine inspiration, particularly when it pays so well. Anyone who criticises Senator Abetz is obviously a godless communist or heathen idol worshipper and deserves to be turned to a pillar of salt. Surely it is heavenly intervention that has Senator Abetz absent from the chamber this week? The Lord works in mysterious ways.

  4. Chris

    August 9, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    Here we go again, lets get the Pleece in (MT’s Pronunciation value).
    Does anyone realise when the Senator for Tasmania speaks on the ABC Radio, where he pops up nearly daily, there is a vast adverse reaction to him via social media.
    His ravings, like Smiley Barnett, but a moment ago, are just directed by a propaganda unit in the Liebrals and the same phrases are spouted and, basically its all labor’s fault.

    Personal insults are used to attempt the Turnbull method of denouncing any opponent and more importantly mendaciously arm wave his deceit upon the parliament of the people.

    Just imagine the budget savings if the ABC could forgo parliamentary broadcasts and it be streamed only to those who desire to watch the Austrayan house in action.
    Erica Betz has many questions to answer, not only on capital gains tax on properties along with the widely believed conception by voters that he entered the Senate when he was not eligible to do so.

    In addition the belief, held by many, that he is influential in deciding the order of candidates on the Senate ticket and by influencing that order determines which candidate is able to stand according to his personal choice. It should be noted that he only received 8709 ist preference votes in MT’s DD yet Liza Singh received 20,741 (below the line) yet those who voted above the line have no concept of who they voted for and WHY in which order!

    This highlights the corruption of above the line voting and why it should be abolished and only 6 candidates should be voted for compulsorily below the line and the rest optional. Interesting to note that Herbetts does not object to the rotational ballot as used in Tasmania but firmly opposes any dilution of power in the Senate which would open up the choice of party candidates by the whole party in all major parties.

    Now Herbetts has to prove his eligibility along with a doctors certificate (Liebrals policy on sick workers) and explain why he is reluctant to do both, along with his constant referral to the Austrayan People, like some outsider referring to the populace of another country.

    We await his answers in true we sail words as usual.

  5. Luigi Brown

    August 9, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    I don’t know why everyone wants to get rid of Eric. At the very least, he’s great entertainment value.

    And as former Liberal Premier Robin Gray once said, “I’ve often said to people every time he goes on television he loses us 1000 votes.”

    http://www.examiner.com.au/story/4008403/former-premier-says-abetz-has-to-go-labels-party-inept/

    We need Eric.

  6. garrystannus@hotmail.com

    August 11, 2017 at 4:50 pm

    The Tasmanian Times offering comes from an SBS/AAP source. In that source, we read the following:

    Senator Abetz has previously described the claims as “absurd”, insisting they have been comprehensively disproved.

    Perhaps the source for this article can be found in Mr Abetz’s blog [Here], in which he wrote (4Aug2017)

    Citizenship Claims
    Published: Friday, 04 August 2017 16:43

    Continued claims that I have not been eligible to be a member of the Australian Senate at any time throughout my political career are absurd and have been comprehensively disproven.

    I became an Australian citizen on 3 December 1974.

    Under the Australian Citizenship Act 1948 as it applied in 1974, I could not become an Australian citizen if I did not renounce my German citizenship and under section 25 of the German Nationality Act 1913, which is in force to this day, a German citizen loses their German citizenship upon acquiring a foreign citizenship.

    Given this matter was previously contested in the High Court and subsequently withdrawn I clearly have no case to answer as both the Australian and German laws in force in 1974 were very clear that a dual citizenship was not legally possible in either country in the circumstances.

    Out of an abundance of caution I further wrote to the German Government on 26 November 1992 to advise that any citizenship that I may still have had with West Germany or Germany be renounced.

    In relation to the High Court matter, I made a comprehensive statement in the Senate on 25 October 2010.

    In that blog, Mr Abetz stated that “both the Australian and German laws in force in 1974 were very clear that a dual citizenship was not legally possible in either country in the circumstances.” That expression “in the circumstances” is problematic, for (while I’m unsure as to then Australian requirements regarding dual citizenship, I am a little more certain that on meeting certain prescribed conditions, a German national could then (and now can) retain their German citizenship when taking citizenship in another country. Eric Abetz’s assurance here is not compelling. The reference to our Australian law at the time is confusing. My reading of the original 1948 Act, and of the amendments that were made to it in 1973, is that it provided for an Australian’s loss of foreign citizenship but nowhere dealt with the country-of-origin citizenship status of foreign nationals who (like Eric Abetz) took on Australian Citizenship. With regard to these matters, I am willing to accept that Eric Abetz may have misunderstood existing law at the time, just as it might be the case that I am misunderstanding it now.

    Nonetheless, Eric Abetz’s blog provides a link to a statement that he made to the Senate (25Oct2010). In that statement, he had told the Senate that he had provided John Hawkins (‘the petitioner’) with a letter (written: 26Nov1992) in which he renounced any West German or German citizenship that he “may still have..”

    Out of an abundance of caution, before nominating for the 1993 election, I wrote to the German embassy on 26 November 1992. That same article somehow suggested that that letter may not exist, that I had somehow promised to the Hobart Mercury that I would make it available to them. I never promised to the Hobart Mercury that I would make that letter available to them; I did tell them that it existed. That letter, along with all the other documents, have been provided to the petitioner. In that letter of 26 November 1992, out of an abundance of caution, I said, in part:

    Given the latest High Court ruling in relation to the possibility of dual citizenship, I write to advise that any citizenship that I may still have with West Germany or Germany is hereby renounced, and I consider myself simply to be solely an Australian citizen. In the event that anything further is required, please advise immediately so that those matters can be attended to.

    I ask John whether he can confirm that Eric Abetz provided him with such a letter of renunciation.

  7. Russell

    August 13, 2017 at 11:25 pm

    Surely Senator Peter Whish-Wilson, you are in a position to “demand” to see the evidence, not “urge” to see it?

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