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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

Economy

Is the Tarkine’s Keppel Creek the next forestry battleground?

*Pic – Ted Mead – Giant eucalypts in the Keppel Creek Forest.

Sharpen up your picks and shovels everyone because this summer looks like another season to be digging in the trenches. The STT’s recently released 3-year wood production plan indicates that the proposed logging of high-conservation forests has become a primary target once again. So is there an election in the air?

The Tarkine’s Keppel Creek forest is west of the Sumac lookout and south of the Arthur River. The proposed 20 – hectare coupe is predominantly transitional eucalypt to rainforest with trees to about 350+ years of age. Some of these giants probably meet STT’s protection criteria of having a volume mass of 280 cubic metres or more.

This region is a particularly aesthetic forest, grand and open, the sort of place you can wander around in marvel admiring some of nature’s finest creations.

This is a massive tourist drawcard, and it is virtually adjacent the Tarkine’s tourist drive. This exquisite forest should be opened up with a walking track into its sanctum, not left as another scared and battered piece of landscape.

Some of these trees are breathtaking and iconic – So why does STT want to log it?

If you believe what STT and the Liberals have been saying about the need for sawlog and peeler quotas then even their own rhetoric is baffling.

Wandering through this magnificent ancient forest will soon reveal that there are no peeler logs in sight. The majestic old trees around Keppel Creek are huge. In fact most of them are too old and large to be considered prime sawlogs.

So what are they then? – That’s obvious! – Woodchips, or in a previous minister’s weasel words ‘residue’.

But how can an entire coupe be just residue. Even the likes of Guy Barnett are going to struggle coming up with a justification of why this region should be logged, other than the fact that it is there.

Don’t get sucked into their definition that it is aggregated extraction or retention – this is pure vandalism, iniquitous and rapacious!

It would be a lucrative bet to put money on the fact that no forester has been into the inner reaches of this coupe. Forestry planning these days seems to be done by staring at aerial maps whilst seated on an ergonomic chair in a cosy air-conditioned cubicle … somewhere within a hands grasp of a nice glass of Grange Hermitage!

This coupe has only just appeared on the 3-year wood production plan. Funny about that!

Contentious and provocative, there must be an election brewing?

Of course Tasmanian taxpayers will subside the vandalism of this forest. In the past this has been a standard practice, but the real values to protect this forest to is well beyond a fiscal argument.

To log, or even advocate the logging of such a magnificent forest will draw the attention across the nation of what a sham STT and the logging of native forest has become in Tasmania.

Condemnation is in the wind!

I look forward to hearing from the Forest Stewardship Council about their position on how such vandalism can be considered sustainable forestry and acceptable in the 21st century.

*Ted Mead has been wandering amidst Tasmania’s wild forest country since the mid 1980s. Much of his photographic work that was produced last century has been published by the conservation movement to present what we stand to lose from the insatiable woodchip industry. Ted is relieved that many of Tasmania’s wonderful forests have now been protected for posterity, though he believes the extent of his commitment is yet to be fulfilled. The declaration of the wild Tarkine region as a secure reserve will be his final essay.

Ted Satire: Another burnt-out FPO …

• Stu, in Comments: I worked for FT for a number of years planning the logging and roading of coupes in the NW. If the coupe is the patch of forest I’m thinking of then I will protest myself (even though I have very little time for the likes of TM, equally I have no time for the likes of GH). If it is the patch of euc I’ve walked into (and FT removed it from being within a production coupe but have no doubt brought it back within coupe boundaries) it is very special and one of the most magnificent patches of mixed forest in the NW. Worth far more standing as part of the Tarkine Drive rather than sawlog that would keep a mill going for a short period of time only.

• Robert Middleton, USA, in Comments: … Keep at it, Ted. The likes of John Muir, Henry David Thoreau and countless others before you would be cheering you on. As for myself and the rest of the eight billion or so inhabitants of this planet, we all need to hear your voice from behind enemy lines in this horrific war in a far-away, isolated island that is blessed by nature in ways that few other places on Earth are, a place that should be one of the last on the planet where such a war is fought. If I were a wealthy man, I would give every last dollar to be able to stand for even five minutes in the same spot as the person in your superb photograph. That will never happen, but perhaps through your efforts and the vision of others in Tasmania, future generations will be able to …

Stuartjed Satire …

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35 Comments

35 Comments

  1. john hayward

    August 7, 2017 at 1:39 pm

    Nothing puzzling here. For millennia, conquering armies and their priests have burnt and razed the homes of defeated foes as demonstrations of dominance and subjugation.

    Tasmania is one of those lands that social evolution forgot.

    John hayward

  2. George Harris

    August 7, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    Before over-the-top Ted gets his tits in a tangle, he should realize a few things…

    1. This coupe is in the Permanent Timber Production Zone. It was even in the TFA PTPZ lands agreed by the ENGO Signatories.

    2. It is not part of the 356,000 hectares of the proposed Future Permanent Production Forests lands.

    3. It was within the FMU (Forest Management Unit) that FT sought FSC Certification under, and it is FSC that is now dragging its feet, (can’t get their act together), but they are drooling over the prospect of getting certification $$$ out of STT and are hoping the grizzling green nut-jobs don’t spoil it for them! (personally I would tell them to go to buggery, I don’t like the idea of giving sit-down money to a bunch of industry haters for certification that no one asks for!)

    4. The coupe is only twenty hectares, but it contains valuable eucalypt saw logs and Special Timbers. These will be harvested in a ground-based operation in the form of Aggregated Retention and then regenerated to native forest. Trees like the big eucalypts in the image will not be felled.

    5. Over-the-top Ted might want to restart the forest wars, but few other people want to. If he wants to move the goal posts to do it, I’m sure he will be met on the battle field, where he will get a more than adequate response, and then some…

  3. George Harris

    August 7, 2017 at 3:23 pm

    Before over-the-top Ted gets his tits in a tangle, he should realize a few things…
    This coupe is in the Permanent Timber Production Zone. It was even in the TFA PTPZ lands agreed by the ENGO Signatories.
    It is not part of the 356,000 hectares of the proposed Future Permanent Production Forests lands.
    It was within the FMU (Forest Management Unit) that FT sought FSC Certification under, and it is FSC that is now dragging its feet, (can’t get their act together), but they are drooling over the prospect of getting certification $$$ out of STT and are hoping the grizzling green nut-jobs don’t spoil it for them! (personally I would tell them to go to buggery, I don’t like the idea of giving sit-down money to a bunch of industry haters for certification that no one asks for!)
    The coupe is only twenty hectares, but it contains valuable eucalypt saw logs and Special Timbers. These will be harvested in a ground-based operation in the form of Aggregated Retention and then regenerated to native forest. Trees like the big eucalypts in the image will not be felled.

    Over-the-top Ted might want to restart the forest wars, but few other people want to. If he wants to move the goal posts to do it, I’m sure he will be met on the battle field, where he will get a more than adequate response, and then some…

  4. Jack Lumber

    August 7, 2017 at 4:03 pm

    for those new to TT

    step 1 Ted posts a magnificent picture and then makes some remark re harvesting even thought its in an area designated for production forest and still may be assessed for special values

    Step 2 anyone one with the initials “JH” jumps in and claims that a certain Tasmanian senator is involved or some form of reference to convict heritage

    Step 3 William then offers a view which is comprehensive but not linked to the topic in any shape or form

    Step 4 Parties such as JL, MJF , TCG and MP just say Ted ” just say you are against all logging ” and keep the nice pics going

    Step 4 Spike uses a lot of words regarding “pooh”

    Step 5 everyone actually agrees that
    a STT should not be run at a loss
    b Ta ann should not be allowed to be regrowth only
    c All sawmillers should have a stumpage increase to enable STT to make a return
    d assessed HCVF forest should be protected but if HCVF is to be recognised so should WPF which is one of several outcomes post assessment

    Repeat cycle up to 10 times to get 40 comments

    Refresh picture at beginning of Sept for a new area of alleged outrage

    Dear Editor this is what TT has now become

  5. abs

    August 7, 2017 at 4:54 pm

    not-existing-in-reality george states “for certification that no one asks for”…..?

    lmao, George, no-one except the customers

    and Jack, it a nice thought, but isn’t the problem that what everyone agrees on in step 5 never actually happens? but hey, be like ‘not-existing-in-reality george’ and blame the greenies, you know the ones who don’t hold power nor make the decisions!

  6. Ted Mead

    August 7, 2017 at 5:30 pm

    #2,3,4 – How predictable it is to see the forestry trolls out there in an instance – Gotta earn your keep I guess?

    Quite frankly I don’t care how this forest is classified. The problem is that many HCV areas were traded off in the IGA / TFA process.

    I will write an article about the failures of the IVG process soon!

    This is what Tasmania has come down to, and that is defending magnificent forests on its merits and sensitivity.

    The 20 ha coupe is just an incision into a greater area of a couple of thousand hectares. Many of that may have some amazing trees in it, of which i will investigate sometime, unlike forestry dinosaurs who glare over aerial maps, whilst multi-tasking simultaneous reference to their personal bank balances.

    Unfortunately it is not conservationists who wish to ignite conflict. This coupe was deliberately placed in the wood production plan for a reason to log this summer, as it was not in previous 3 year plans.

    Liberal divisional antagonism! – the timing of it being just before a due election is no coincidence.

  7. Pat Murray

    August 7, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    How interesting that one of your pro-clearfall correspondents states that this coupe will be stripped for specialty timbers, along with eucs. This is because there is a shortage of minor species for the relevant markets. Why? because FT have a long history of trashing specialty timbers whilst creating plantations out of native forest. What goes around comes around. This farcical situation had to show up sooner or later.
    Minister Barnett recently asserted that 3 trees are planted for every 1 harvested. He conveniently omitted all the minor species, shrubs, etc. that are just cut and left to rot-or burn. Fallers are compelled to drop these “lesser” trees without any financial return and the forest loses all integrity. I personally recall being associated with salvaging a truckload of ‘celery’ at Repulse,(yes, with a licence), and I walked across the coupe on dropped celery logs without touching ground. Monumental wastage that has now come to bite us on the bum. This now requires new spin to flog to the punters. Shame!

  8. Ted Mead

    August 7, 2017 at 6:12 pm

    #4, 7 – The whole argument about this coupe being aggregated retention with specialty timber extraction and leaving remnant eucalypts is a classic case of pure BS.

    There are some big myrtles there, but not much else that the industry would like.

    The tide has turned – They once logged eucalypt and trashed the rainforest left over – now they want to log rainforest and trash the eucalyptus forest.

    They have gone mad from one end of the spectrum to the other.

  9. Jack Lumber

    August 7, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    re #6 Thank you for confirming the cycle and the use of “troll” equally predictable Ted

    How soon before a reference to ANU/IFA/Illuminati?goats whatever you want to rant about

    Bring it on Ted re IVG and Mr West
    TWS ACF ET will be reminded of the deals they brokered

    re celery and repulse – no argument re such waste being poor dont blame woodchipping as it is not used for paper making . Yep blame the then concession holders not FCT/FT

  10. Stu

    August 7, 2017 at 8:06 pm

    I worked for FT for a number of years planning the logging and roading of coupes in the NW. If the coupe is the patch of forest I’m thinking of then I will protest myself (even though I have very little time for the likes of TM, equally I have no time for the likes of GH). If it is the patch of euc I’ve walked into (and FT removed it from being within a production coupe but have no doubt brought it back within coupe boundaries) it is very special and one of the most magnificent patches of mixed forest in the NW. Worth far more standing as part of the Tarkine Drive rather than sawlog that would keep a mill going for a short period of time only.

  11. John Hayward

    August 7, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    How does a special tree end up in a “permanent timber production zone”, not to mention the innumerable collateral casualty trees from the 80m wide swathe leading to it?

    Was it the decree of some omniscient god? Or was it on the order of some mortal very like Woodchipper, Lumber, or Evan Rolley?

    When will some of the world’s most destructive extraction jobs become more expendable than the world’s lungs and water catchments?

  12. Ted Mead

    August 7, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    # 2&3 – Selective logging my Arse!

    So what Georgie is now claiming, what they want to do is log some of the specialty timber and smaller euc sawlogs (If they can find any) then simply leave the big trees alone out there so they can dry out, get torched in reg burns or blow over because of their open exposure to the elements.

    Sounds a bit Dejavu El Grande to me – And there is no example where such methodology of strip selective logging has worked.

    FT did fiddle around with some dumb ideas like this in their “pie in the sky’ Warra experiments, but we never heard much about that, nor did we see some workable examples that didn’t get done over by their regen burns!

    George and his hangers-on are probably trying to figure out how in the hell to log and leave without invariable broad-scale destruction, and the proceeding condemnations of such folly.

    I suggest – Aggregated Retention of Superlative Ecology – Having Obtuse Logging Extraction Standards!

  13. MjF

    August 7, 2017 at 11:02 pm

    #7
    Minister Barnett should know STT don’t plant trees any more unless re-establishing harvested plantation areas.

    Presumably he was referring to regenerating trees from sown seed.

    A bit clumsy though, even by his standards.

    #10
    Any chance giant trees ?

    This appears to be the term of choice for the author here but probably a little presumptious of him.

  14. Lynne Newington

    August 7, 2017 at 11:25 pm

    With all the to-ing and fro-ing I can’t figure out if this [and other] magnificent tree is subjected to logging……surely not.

  15. Ted Mead

    August 7, 2017 at 11:42 pm

    #13 – Giant is a descriptive term referred to something bigger than usual.
    Dictionary – • an abnormally or extremely tall or large person, animal, or plant.

    I would have thought the photo represented that quite well.

    One suspects not calling these trees as such would be denial of their existence in fear that someone might agree with my views?

    Even Forestry Stu #10 doesn’t condone the proposed destruction of this magnificent forest, and can see far greater value in them than woodchips.

  16. Robin Charles Halton

    August 8, 2017 at 3:02 am

    #10 Stu, good to see you back into the fold after a long absence.

    I was starting to get suspicious after reading some of the entries, I dont know the particular stand but as you do and with real forestry knowledge and for not being some anti foresty Greenie or pro logging FIAT aligned enthusiast, I respect your comment!

    Special timbers operators apart from blackwood millers are in dire straits, those operators who intend to work outside the square may find themselves in a position to make a go of it for being damned if they do and damned if they dont!

    The last thing we want are headlines leading to this stand containing Old growth, in particular false information as it seems Ted has provided indicating felling of the large eucalypts!

    So it sounds as harvest for myrtle understory and any other SS that happens to be on the coupe!
    I cant say I have ever been involved with a STMU that contains Euc!

    I have been involved with myrtle STMU’s in the past but it involves a one off selective felling for sawlog only, minimal tracking opening up a few gaps for some sunlight and natural seedfall from standing myrtles yet providing enough ground cover to miniumise browsing.

    Sue Jenning at Silviculture in Smithton used to collect field data and basic myrtle regeneration survey information provided by field officers.
    Since the complete overthrow of Murchison District during the past 15 years I dont know who is monitoring any Special species regen work!

    I am not inclined to bother SST, staff would be finding their feet after the shock of the changes imposed on them and attempting survival in what seems as a whirlwind of unexplained detail by Minister Barnett as it might be only an experiment that does not result in a settled outcome for forestry. Phew!!!

  17. Robert Middleton

    August 8, 2017 at 4:01 am

    Ted: I marvel at your wisdom, persistence and courage in revealing yet again another devious assault in The War Against the Trees.

    The childish name-calling and semi-threats of Harris, Lumber and the mysterious MJF-thing reveal the shocking ignorance of those individuals. What miserable lives they must lead, having to defend vandalism, desecration of national treasures, terrorism, chemical warfare, arson and poisoning. World-class forestry? How about Underworld-Class, as in the work of the Devil.

    You wrote “the logging of such a magnificent forest will draw the attention across the nation of what a sham STT and the logging of native forest has become in Tasmania.” It’a not just the nation; the rest of the world is watching as well.

    Keep at it, Ted. The likes of John Muir, Henry David Thoreau and countless others before you would be cheering you on. As for myself and the rest of the eight billion or so inhabitants of this planet, we all need to hear your voice from behind enemy lines in this horrific war in a far-away, isolated island that is blessed by nature in ways that few other places on Earth are, a place that should be one of the last on the planet where such a war is fought.

    If I were a wealthy man, I would give every last dollar to be able to stand for even five minutes in the same spot as the person in your superb photograph. That will never happen, but perhaps through your efforts and the vision of others in Tasmania, future generations will be able to.

    With regard to Lumber’s (#4)”this is what TT has now become”, I say long live TT! It is one of the few beacons of truth and hope in the otherwise smoke-filled, torturous environment of “The Lucky Island.”

  18. MJF

    August 8, 2017 at 11:49 am

    #15
    Thanks teddy.
    I’d prefer to wait for a more objective view from stu if he shows up. You know there’s minimum criteria set by the land manager to recognise and preserve ‘giant’ trees. If they stack up then they’ll get protection.

    Pretending FC’s colloquial term should equal a dictionary definition is a bit of a stretch. Have you measured any of these old timers teddy to validate your claim and bring to FT’s attention ?

    You know how all their foresters work from their plush chairs and a/c’ed offices. You’ll have to do it for them.

    Let’s not have another el Grande brouhaha.

    FMI, what’s the coupe code pls and species of the tall eucs?

    #17
    Middleton – what’s the president up to this week ?

  19. Claire Gilmour

    August 8, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    2000 identified dams proposal in Tasmania

    Ok, so I’ve downloaded the ANU overlay map for the Tasmanian Liberals proposed dams onto my google earth.

    What it shows is that many of these proposed dams are in state forest – both native working forests and in plantations.

    In addition I have then overlayed the forest reserves and HCV forests map. This shows that some of these proposed dams are in existing forest reserves and in HCV areas.

    This opens up a barrage of questions, not least of all –

    1. Firstly how will these dams affect water supplies down stream – for both private users, farmers and the environment?

    2. Is the government wanting to role back reserves so to place these dams, and thus then requiring even more reserved forests for logging?

    3. Are those dams proposed, that are in and or near plantationsin state forest, in fact to water plantations, and ultimately for the benefit of whoever is going to be privately leasing these plantations?

    4. Has the government finally conceded there is little to no money to be made from government run forestry and is now looking to farm water, thereby allowing creek buffers and water catchments to be logged and trashed further?

    5. Is this dam proposal – part of a Liberal, sink or swim, 2018 election strategy?

    http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php?/pr-article/work-underway-to-make-tasmania-the-renewable-energy-battery-of-the-nation/

    http://re100.eng.anu.edu.au/research/re/site/tas.php

  20. Ted Mead

    August 8, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    #18 – The problem with forestry is they don’t understand or want to understand what the concept of ecological representation may mean.

    It’s a typical modern day anthropocentric delusion that we need to preserve or protect the biggest and the best to satisfy some sort of warped idea that is all we need to do.

    It’s a bit like measuring your dick length, and if it doesn’t fill some loopy criteria, then you are considered a less significant person than another.

    From my brief observations out there I doubt many of these Tarkine trees would fulfil the Giant register’s criteria, but that is insignificant as to other factors why this area should not be destroyed at a cost to the taxpayer and the loss of posterity.

    The coupe Number is SU055C

    What I observed is exclusively E.obliqua

    This is just one small section of a grander catchment that may possess even bigger trees.

    But nobody’s been out there to explore the entire Keppler valley or Stephans Rivulet, if any of it.

    I intend to do this come spring season, as the wet horizontal scrub areas aren’t inviting out there at the moment.

    Knowing nothing about a place is all the more reason why they should log it!

  21. Ted Mead

    August 8, 2017 at 3:21 pm

    #20 Erratum – That last sentence was meant to say shouldn’t log it!

  22. John Hawkins

    August 8, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    If Bill Manning is still in Tasmania I would like to make contact over the Forest Practices Plans for the areas above the Mole Creek and Lilydale water supplies.

    I have not forgotten this matter Fitch I am still gathering the evidence.

  23. MJF

    August 8, 2017 at 4:18 pm

    #20/21

    You use strange phraseology teddy – “anthropocentric delusion” ?

    Do you make these up yourself ?

    We live in a world of measuring. It’s a fact of life.

    e.g. You have your assets measured to determine if you qualify for a pension or not

    e.g if you commit a crime the severity will be measured to determine your sentence

    e.g. if you make home brew you need to measure the ingredients to make it drinkable

    Why should achieving Giant Trees status be any different ?

    Re the pecker analogy, I foolishly believed it was more a case of how you used your dick rather than its size.

    But you’re right now I think about it. Porn sites contain, amongst other things, videos of big dicks but not the clever ones.

    Thanks for coupe ref, I’ll review in the 3YP.

  24. MjF

    August 8, 2017 at 4:30 pm

    #22
    Awesome hawk…as I haven’t, along with your retraction for trotting out rubbish.

    Seems to have become your hallmark.

    Hurry back.

  25. Claire Gilmour

    August 8, 2017 at 11:54 pm

    Watch your forests disappear …

    As a government enterprise – FT/STT, and if it all wants to prove itself ‘sustainable’ under their new name – Sustainable Timbers Tasmania in selling their product on world wide market, it should be forced to contribute their information on logging and growth information to a world web scaled info net work such as Global Forest Watch …

    http://www.globalforestwatch.org/map/7/-42.02/146.54/ALL/grayscale/loss?tab=analysis-tab&begin=2001-01-01&end=2016-01-01&threshold=30&dont_analyze=true

    http://www.globalforestwatch.org/map/7/-42.56/147.20/ALL/grayscale/loss,forestgain,forest2000/581,612,592,607?tab=hd-tab&wdpaid=309657&begin=2001-01-01&end=2016-01-01&threshold=30&dont_analyze=true

    Have a play with it, look at your area. A very interesting and telling tool, albeit not on a long enough time scale.

    As it says, forest loss is not always deforestation, ie fires etc contribute.

    Forestry coupes (name and number) should be able to be attached, I just don’t have time and money to do such on my own … as I said it SHOULD be mandatory for government owned/controlled enterprises to contribute to such, … instead of hiding. I guess in the not too distant future it will be …

  26. Claire Gilmour

    August 9, 2017 at 12:58 am

    If you want to/need to add some more pics of specific coupes and the area in question on any of your articles Ted, I can do so through google earth. (unfortunately I can’t add such pics later through comments – or can I send a pic via email to TT to be attached?).

    I note how close this particular coupe in question is to creeks. I also note that there is no forest practices plan attached on FT/STT.

    Their new web site is abysmal – less info than ever was – in fact an embarrassment for a government controlled website. Who designed it? Simple Simon? It looks like the Liberal government pushed them to get it out quick without it having any decent back bone and to ensure less info to public is better for them.

  27. Robin Charles Halton

    August 9, 2017 at 2:33 am

    So Ted you should the target of the attack, not the large eucalypts on the coupe!

    Explain the actions of your forked tongue by creating a misleading article to excite the misguided believers of supreme Green power.

    Green power is on the decline nationally, I suspect a sense of being bored has set in.

    Its now desperate measures to grab media attention eh!

    Tree sits dangling in the eucalypts this summer as hordes of the unwashed in beat up hand painted unroadworthy old vans descend on the coupe to leave their signature grafetti and excreta!

  28. Ted Mead

    August 9, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    #26 – Re – Maps, – Thanks Claire!

    As informative as they can be, I rarely use Google maps unless I need to show impacts of roads and clearfell. There’s nothing like a good oblique aerial photo to portray a landscape.

    If you want to contribute an image or map just email it to the editor – editor@oldtt.pixelkey.biz

    As far as the Sumac coupe goes, yes there is no management plan or roading schedule attached to the info on the STT interactive maps. which raises a few possible questions of either ineptitude, haste or deliberate. Anything is possible!

  29. Ted Mead

    August 9, 2017 at 1:19 pm

    #27 – The fact that the Green Party vote is down doesn’t indicate that the public are disinterested in saving our high conservation areas.

    I won’t, and have learnt not to expect much support from the Greens. In fact their historical action is either to be mute or undermine the campaigns I have worked on. So they have probably figured out that I don’t vote for them.

    There are many political processes I will go through between now and summer 2018, when they claim they intend to log Keppel Creek.

    As far as STT’s quest for FSC goes, their actions are really dumb because FSC criteria is focused on intended use of forests, and the economics of such. STT just don’t get it do they?

    STT is currently going through a revision of HCV forests. It will be interesting to see the results, and the rumour is that they have already gone cold on the upper Frankland coupes where the recent protests were.

    You see Robin, nothing is really going well for the Liberal logging agenda, they seem to have snookered themselves in all departments.

    All they have left is to go to an election asking Tasmanians for a Forestry mandate, whilst trying to convince the public that a $100 million loss is justifiable for a few jobs weighed against more cuts to health and education.

    Labor looks like a shoe in at the next election!

    Which will leave you in retreat to your bitter and insular cave!

  30. Jack Lumber

    August 9, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    re 29 Ted hmmm claiming an understanding of FSC are we ?

    Your comment suggest “wishful thinking ” rather than an understanding of the standard

  31. Robin Charles Halton

    August 10, 2017 at 2:40 am

    #29 Oh come on Ted, you are in a corner and now you are making it up as you go along!

    FSC is on about the same level as Renewables, one can add it only to impress with more ticks for another logo but it a non essential service measure which really only engages more hangers wanting to look important collecting fees for expecting their clients to feel better.

    There is more than enough bullshit around at the moment, we’ve heard enough of yours.

  32. MJF

    August 10, 2017 at 3:40 pm

    #27 halton

    “Tree sits dangling in the eucalypts this summer as hordes of the unwashed in beat up hand painted unroadworthy old vans descend on the coupe to leave their signature grafetti and excreta!”

    Surely not a return to this sort of activity (image above) ?

    Are you here somewhere teddy ?

  33. Max Hodge

    August 10, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    # Robin There are two groups of people involved in forest wars, the ones who are trying to save the world and those who don’t give a shit. Why use derogatory terms when describing people that wish to leave the world in a better condition than those who don’t?
    Exploitation of the world’s wonders has brought us to the present situation where there may well be nothing left for future generation. Instead of trying to belittle a group of people you brand as green power, have a long hard look at your own history of exploiting a finite resource to create a burden on taxpayers. When you destroy or deface the environment for nothing it’s called vandalism,

  34. Robin Charles Halton

    August 12, 2017 at 5:59 am

    # 32 MJF, #33 Max,

    It is highly possible the Greens supporter element would be planning another assault on State forestry operations this summer!

    Teddy boy has claimed to have embedded himself in saving the precious Sumac OG forest eucalypts at any cost, so action is more likely than not!
    Boredom must be setting in after the coupe adjustment period at Lapoinya!

    This could result in a smoke nuisance deterrent that could be created unofficially to send those overly enthusiastic bush squatters on their way under an official order by police and fire authorities.

    The Flossie (Florentine) tree sit got international attention a bold move over an extended period, I think that eventually with threat of fire moved the camp on!

    I wonder what Bob as God and Markets for Change advocates Peg and Jenny have in mind this time around for an annual event!

  35. Max Hodge

    August 12, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    #34 Robin
    You continue to attack people who have tried to stop the psychopathic actions of forestry in Tasmania. Instead of attacking, try another approach, tell us of the wonderful things you achieved for all of us in your working life as a forester.
    At the moment and for a very long while forestry in Tasmania has been like a migraine headache when the only good thing about it would be if it stopped.

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