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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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‘World’s Best Practice’ … ? Rebuff Libs, say Weber, Putt, McKim …

Fire bombing a logged couped – Once a pristine forest in the Tarkine. – Pic Anonymous

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*Pics: All images were taken in the 1990’s, yet in this 21st century the forest atrocities haven’t relented …

Forestry Tasmania has long professed a catch-cry of ‘World’s Best Logging Practice’, but outside the insular walls of its offices there is a different reality.

Images of logging practises in Tasmania have been imprinted deeply into our minds.

Scenes of utter destruction like the Hiroshima-blackened landscapes, the smoke-filled mushroom clouds that billow and waft into our urban environment, and the once endless procession of log trucks parading our highways en-route to the insatiable jaws of the woodchip mills.

Essentially Tasmania’s forest industry over the past several decades created an Armageddon upon our natural environment, yet in this 21st century Forestry Tas shows no sign that it wishes to repent.

Its quest for FSC is not aimed at redemption. It is merely pursuance for a licence to blindly continue in its myopic ideology.

There is a recurrent cliché -‘Pictures paint a thousand words’ – yet in no other way can I portray so vividly the iniquity of FT’s abhorrent practises upon the magnificent world-class forests of our bountiful island.

Where articulate and apt descriptions may fail, the impact of my photos don’t, and they constantly remind me of why I have been campaigning for native forest protection for more than 30 years.

*Ted Mead began campaigning for wilderness protection in 1980 soon after he first visited Tasmania. Subsequent to the Franklin River success, the senseless destruction of the Island’s primeval forest became his focus; which has been ongoing for the past 30 years. Ted was arrested and prosecuted for defying the law at Farmhouse Creek, which became a catalyst towards those forests now being fully protected in the World Heritage Area.

• Paul Tapp in Comments: Within my dream/There lives a scream/Which fills me so with fear/I feel its breath upon me/The beast is drawing near/It’s breath is hot and fetid/And it vomits in the seas/The beast has dogs/Which carry logs/The monster feeds on trees … I visited the Tarkine and also took photographs of soaring, silent trees and wondered how anybody could cut them down, disturb the peace of ancient forests and the mysteries within. But they do, without conscience, for at the end of the day, it is merely a tree and it is a practical way to put bread on the table, when jobs are scarce and global economics can put them on unemployment lines at any time.

• Pete Godrey in Comments: Well put Ted, thanks for maintaining the rage. The picture of Triabunna woodchip mill is pertinent, after Gunns closed the mill there were 30,000 tonnes of woodchips left unsold. The new owners had to move them to rehabilitate the site to meet EPA requirements. So 30 thousand tonnes of our forests were destroyed and left to rot, that is around 3000 truck loads of logs cut, carted, chipped and left to rot. And the best bit is we paid massive subsidies to the companies to do it. Rage is the only response. This ongoing conversion of rainforest to eucalypt forest must never be sanctioned by FSC or any other organisation that claims to be environmentally responsible.

Tasmania’s first BioBlitz in the Tarkine!

Cassy O’Connor: Forest Practices Plans Routinely Ignored

Cassy O’Connor: FSC Looking Like a Mirage Under Harriss

Vica Bayley: Government plans to sell plantations threatens FSC and PEFC certification

Paul Harriss: Increased protection for critically endangered Swift Parrot on Bruny Island

Peg Putt: Cautious welcome to Bruny Island logging moratorium

Vica Bayley: Action on Bruny swift parrot habitat welcome but needs to be more widespread

Jenny Weber: Swift Parrot survival depends on permanent protection of forests on Bruny Island and across Tasmania

Rosalie Woodruff: Swift Parrot Logging Moratorium

Paul Harriss: Hardship program to assist forest contractors devastated by Labor-Green policies … The Government has reallocated $1 million in Commonwealth funds, which remain unspent from previous compensation schemes for a limited hardship relief program. Today, I am pleased to announce details of the hardship program are now available and applications open •

Sarawak Report: Environmentalists Want Answers From Adenan As Peatland Clearing By KTS Continues

MONDAY, November 23 …

Matthew Groom: Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area … The technical advisers will spend the week in Tasmania assessing the state of conservation of the Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area and will provide advice on the finalisation of the draft Management Plan for the Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area …

TUESDAY, November 24 …

ABC: Private forestry company Forico wins environmental tick for woodchip exports

Jenny Weber, Peg Putt: World Heritage Reps urged to rebuff Tasmanian Government on rainforest logging … … “The rainforest ‘special species’ logging trial in the southern forests coupe EP048C had demonstrated the range and scale of disturbance associated with such logging. Any attempt to log in the World Heritage property will be significantly detrimental to the maintenance of Outstanding Universal Values,” Ms Weber said …

Nick McKim: Time for Hodgman and Turnbull to Accept Umpire’s Call on World Heritage Logging … “The Liberals’ bloody mindedness over logging the TWWHA is already damaging the tourism industry, with Lonely Planet ( TT HERE ) issuing warnings to see these precious areas before they are compromised.” …

ABC: Specialty timber industry wins Tasmanian Government support, despite doubts over logging in UN-listed areas

• Claire Gilmour in Comments: A gumtree ad on 4 Nov 2015. “I am a 23 year old male currently seeking work. I currently work in forestry planting, pruning and fertilizing trees but the warm weather caused the dirt to dry out to much and we have been laid off untill further notice… I live in wynyard and have my motorcycle license.” Until further notice eh!? What say ye FT and Government? So Forestry and their business partners are laying off more people … so the Tas government fly on in with more Fed money to gift …

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81 Comments

81 Comments

  1. Karl Stevens

    November 27, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    Claire Gilmour 80. I understand the GST is a domestic tax and is not levied on ‘commodity’ exports like minerals and wood products.
    The current Liberal government has unravelled the GST system by asking foreign companies to collect Australian domestic GST on items bought online.
    That appears to take us to a level just below a one world currency and a world government which is the logical conclusion for governments that live off people’s work and innovation in a globalised economy.
    You maybe thinking of a ‘carbon tax’ in relation to timber products which was lifted by the incoming Lib gov.
    Domestically, there is a GST on all timber products and it is passed on to the consumer. In the example of a church, they collect GST for the government and deduct any GST they raise (by selling books say) so are mostly in a GST neutral position. Overall, ‘religions’ don’t pay other taxes.

  2. Claire Gilmour

    November 27, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    #77 Great question Alison Bleaney.

    Perhaps one could go a step further and ask – what are the health and monetary pros and cons of re-establishing plantations? Indeed government funded forestry in general.

    Perhaps a little outside the square but ultimately let’s take into account the following recent proposal …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-28/weatherill-gst-hike-plan-sparks-interest-of-act-commonwealth/6983296

    A GST hike of 5% to pay for health costs.

    Now correct me if I am wrong, (and would really like some very knowledgeable input on this), but aren’t the Forestry/government and forestry business partners suggesting their business is carbon neutral so GST free? (Even though they use poisons and smoke).

    In addition let’s take a look at a scenario that seems to play out … between forestry and church …

    http://www.youraccountant.net.au/tguide/guide/GSThbook/GST01030.asp

    Hello! where are you Eric Abetz and Tony Abbott?

    My ultimate question is …

    Why are some of the biggest physical, mental and environmental health hamperers (is that a word) and dis-ease creating industries gst free?

    If the catch cry for increased GST is to be … better health benefits… then shouldn’t it be the unhealthy businesses paying more?

    Why should it be the average citizen, who is given NO choice, be the one to pay … in both money and life?

  3. spikey

    November 27, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    I find it fascinating studying facism
    The obvious elements of truth denial, aggressive propaganda regimes and misplaced ideologies of ownership and righteousness appear in so many facets of our lives.
    Some could argue both sides of this argument represent these elements.
    It would appear however one side has stronger ties to our governance and media.
    It would also appear as though one side has direct vested interest.
    I hate sides, and facists.

  4. Clive Stott

    November 27, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    What about a strategic growth plan for Health?

  5. Alison Bleaney

    November 27, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    # 75 Please describe what ‘re establishing plantation forestry onto a good international footing’ actually looks like ..in detail.

  6. Alison Bleaney

    November 27, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    “A contract has been awarded to Battery Point company Timmins Ray to consult and co-ordinate a strategic growth plan for the forestry industry.”
    http://www.examiner.com.au/story/3524073/150000-for-forestry-plan/?cs=95
    Hhhmmmh! Shouldn’t we already have one or what are FT and Forico and other private companies doing at present? And why should we as taxpayers be paying for private companies to develop a growth strategy to allow them to make a profit? We would be happy to give them a sustainable and environmentally acceptable business model….please just ask; what’s that? you didn’t want that one as you felt you didn’t make enough/any profit? Perhaps you’re in the wrong business!

  7. Robin Charles Halton

    November 26, 2015 at 11:46 am

    Get over it folks, who cares if 25,000t-30,000t consignments of export woodchips consist of a mix of wood derived from pre and post 1994 plantings.

    The overall commercial value of already established plantation wood in the market place is the important factor, playing politics lead by the anti forestry lobby Markets for Change must not be tolerated by the Tasmanian Government who is in favor of rebuilding the industry.

    Forico is clearly doing just that be by re establishing plantation forestry onto a good international footing.

    Markets for Change must be stopped in their tracks from bad mouthing our Tasmania.

  8. Steve

    November 25, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    #70; That’s a very large loophole PB and I’m not sure it should be there.
    It’s comparable to allowing organic certification on a property and ignoring what has occurred previously, because the owners have re-registered their company under another name.
    It’s a worry because there’s a simple solution. Black and white; you can’t claim FSC certification for timber from land converted post 1994. Do that and the loophole disappears.
    It’s not as though it’d be a game stopper for Forico. They’d simply have to market their product from such plantations under another name, without FSC certification.
    With that loophole, it’s always possible for any company to register another company name and sell the “contaminated” plantations to it.

  9. William Boeder

    November 25, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    SO the CEO of Forico is a past executive of Gunns Ltd, this is going to prove a huge weakness in the bona-fides of the now established Forico in Tasmania, in my view.

    … the basis for even further introspection to the tripe fed to the people of Tasmania via this State’s news platforms.

    One might even refer to media articles presented by the above-mentioned news platforms as State sanctioned propaganda.

    There is no other word that better describes propaganda than this very unique word in itself..

    EG: the American Administration has a $700,000,000-00 budget allocation specifically to support its propaganda programs to dumb down its citizens, also to create that which is transmitted internationally which is soon proven non-credible. …

  10. russell

    November 25, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    There is no doubt in my mind that fsc when it first started was a ‘true system’ but now it seems so hollowed out and infiltrated by industry such as to render it as nothing more than an extension of industry. Just the way they like it. Green groups around the world have had their ideals compromised by becoming contaminated by it. Is it an industry front and an old growth knock down enabler? It must provide huge satisfaction to industry to have greens groups actively involved in enabling and licensing forestry knockdowns. And quite a few chortles I imagine. Backslaps all round. Thanks PB at #70, it reminds of the ft/taann debacle.

  11. William Boeder

    November 25, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    #69. Robin Charles Halton. Do please understand that the Tasmanian people have been misled, lied to, then constantly given untrue accounts of the supposed sustainability, so much so that your mate Paul Harriss and that insufferable Senator Eric are quite happy to rip into the WHA on the pretext of just grabbing a little of the special species timbers just to help out the State’s craftsmen.

    This we know will be more lies than anything other.

    Historically the people have ever been fed bull-shizer and still nothing has changed for the better.
    As we speak there are Old Growth Forest trees that are being cut down merely to feed the Northern wood-chippers.

    Your continual advocating that there is some measure of sustainability going on is a load of old cobblers.
    I feel you need to get out and have a bo-peep at what goes on in the rear-most regions of Tasmania’s wet-land forests, perhaps a scenic trip through what remains of the Tarkine for you will soon see what is happening in this former natural wilderness, with its once prolific riparian forested wilderness that are now being slaughtered just to feed Ta Ann and then the wood-chippers get the rest.

    Then there are the out-of-hours dark-of-night transporting of logs from different areas over here in the West Coast. of Tasmania, I’ve seen them with my own eyes, in the wee small hours of the newly arriving day.

    So Robin please stop fooling yourself that it is only plantation eucalypt that is being chipped.

    “Falsity Tasmania” would be a far more appropriate name for this State’s government consented forest destructor of Forestry Tasmania.

    The jury is still out regarding Forico and their use of highly toxic aerial spraying, (I’ve seen the helicopters lifting off from the edge of the Murchison Highway down toward Waratah,.

    I have to wonder what types of killer poisons and highly toxic chemicals are being released into our lower atmospheres by these spray boys over in this former Native Forested wilderness region, seems that there are no people about checking what is being released in this method.

    The history of logging in Tasmania has relied upon lies being fed to the people of Tasmania to pretend that all is well, well it isn’t.

  12. PB

    November 25, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    FSC rules preclude the conversion of native forests to plantations post 1994 but provide a convenient loophole by providing an exemption if the conversion was carried out by a previous organisation.

    This rule has been cynically exploited by Forico which has taken full advantage of the conversion of thousands of hectares by the previous owners of the land estate, Gunns Limited.

    However, the auditor has failed to take account of the fact that Forico CEO, Bryan Hayes, was previously General Manager at Gunns Limited which was directly responsible for the conversion of these plantations and as a result the FSC certification is a complete sham.

    http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Bryan-Hayes/366923408

  13. Robin Charles Halton

    November 25, 2015 at 10:27 am

    It must be a good sign for the State economy that Forico plantation operations in Northern Tasmania will be a great success meaning that the intended use is available resource is being utilised as a wood chip as was originally intended.

    If Forico can solve the cartage distance problem for Southern wood so it be.

    What is the overall problem, we should be welcoming the revived forest management by Forico.

  14. Factfinder

    November 25, 2015 at 2:11 am

    Forest conversion practices to GNS hardwood plantations executed by senior executives like Bryan Hayes and Associates?

    http://gunns.com.au/investors/investorssenior-executives

    Mr Bryan Hayes
    General Manager, Gunns Forest Products

    Mr Hayes is responsible for forest operations, wood fibre production and sales in Tasmania, including the Fibre Technology facility at Ridgley and pine operations in the northwest. He has a Bachelor of Business from UTAS and has worked in the Tasmanian forestry industry for 36 years. —

    AND

    http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php/article/carry-on-chipping
    Public expectation has been that the pulp mill, with its value-adding processing of woodchips into pulp, will replace the need for continuing low-value woodchip exports from Tasmania’s ports. But Gunns regional manager Bryan Hayes told a meeting of logging contractors in Launceston last week … (that) Gunns’ ability to finance the $1.4 billion pulp mill “in its own right” would depend on the company continuing parallel large-scale raw woodchip exports. This shock admission reveals the timber giant intends to operate this two-pronged chip policy until at least 2025.
    …
    The revelation is contrary to public claims made regularly by Gunns, the State Government and pulp mill advocates that the new mill will be a value-adding replacement for the low-value woodchip export industry. – Just for the record

  15. Treeger

    November 24, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    “What the hell have you people been smoking out there? They’re just goddam trees!” from the Motion Picture Avatar.

  16. Claire Gilmour

    November 24, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    A gumtree ad on 4 Nov 2015.

    “I am a 23 year old male currently seeking work. I currently work in forestry planting, pruning and fertilizing trees but the warm weather caused the dirt to dry out to much and we have been laid off untill further notice… I live in wynyard and have my motorcycle license.”

    Until further notice eh!? What say ye FT and Government?

    So Forestry and their business partners are laying off more people … so the Tas government fly on in with more Fed money to gift …

    Now I could utilise a young man like this in my burnt out forest that the Forestry and government contributed to ruining! SO instead of the government continually paying out their forest Boys club for doing nothing, perhaps it should be more akin to what the government is currently doing with the dole … they can work half for the dole and half privately – to fix up FT and Govs mistakes!!!

    Or is the Tas government through Fed funds trying to buy some votes at $10,000 a piece?

  17. PB

    November 24, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    Further to my last comment, the auditor’s final report notes that Forico’s application for derogated use of alpha-cypermethrin was rejected by FSC. Although the company has committed to not use any chemicals listed as Highly Hazardous by FSC it has demonstrated complete contempt for the decision by compiling a revised derogation application:

    “16/11/2015: Forico’s application for derogated use of alpha-cypermethrin was rejected on 27th August (FSC_DER_30_001_V1-0_Alpha cypermethrin_Australia_2015_rejection.pdf).
    Forico are currently (Oct 2015) compiling a revised derogation application to be submitted in collaboration with a number of existing FSC Certificate Holders in Australia.

    Meanwhile, Forico have committed to not using any of the chemicals listed as Highly Hazardous by FSC and have demonstrated this via submission of a letter of committment from their CEO Bryan Hayes (29th September) and ratification of a revised Environmental and Sustainability Policy (10th September 2015).”

  18. Clive Stott

    November 24, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    After glomming onto smoke particles, toxic chemicals applied to our plantations can hitch long-distance rides — sometimes across oceans — before they’re grounded again and contaminate some new region, scientists report.

    Not to mention the local population breathing them.

    I cannot remember FSC or our forest industries telling us about this can you?

    https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-public/pollutants-flames

  19. PB

    November 24, 2015 at 12:04 pm

    Forico was awarded conditional FSC certification despite using a chemical classified as Highly Hazardous by FSC – Alpha Cypermethrin, in the last 12 months.

    FSC’s auditor noted this as a Major Corrective Action as follows:

    Non-compliance (or potential non-compliance for an Observation)

    The company has, in the last 12 months, used a chemical classified as Highly Hazardous by FSC – Alpha Cypermethrin. As the company does not have a derogation for use of this chemical, this is a Major CAR, which becomes a pre-condition at Main Assessment. NB. Forico applied to FSC International for a temporary derogation for the use of alpha-cypermethrin in April 2015. At the time of the audit, no decision had been received from FSC International.

    Corrective Action Request

    “The company shall not use chemicals classified by FSC as Highly Hazardous without a derogation from FSC. (Note – This pre-condition can be closed by either:
    – a derogation for use of Alpha Cypermethrin by the company being issued by FSC
    – submission of clear evidence that the company does not (and has no plans to) use highly hazardous chemicals).”

    Furthermore, Forico exploited abject FSC regulations allowing the post 1994 conversion of native forests to plantations by former owners Gunns as follows:

    Non-compliance (or potential non-compliance for an Observation)

    No conversion to plantations or non-forest uses has occurred since the company’s formation in September 2014, so FSC requirement met. It was noted, however, that the FMU does include plantations established through conversion, some of which will have occurred since 1994, as a result of the activities of previous owners of the land estate. The company’s Environmental & Sustainability Policy includes a commitment to management that complies with the FSC certification standards. It is also understood from discussions with management that the company has made a commitment to not undertake conversion, however, this commitment is not explicit in the company’s policies. Given the development history of the plantations within the FMU, a specific and documented commitment against conversion would help dispel concerns by stakeholders that the new owners of the FMU may seek to use conversion to expand its plantation estate.

    Corrective Action Request

    “The company shall document its existing commitment not to undertake conversion, except in circumstances where conversion:
    a)entails a very limited portion of the forest management unit; and
    b)does not occur on high conservation value forest areas; and
    c)will enable clear, substantial, additional, secure, long-term conservation benefits across the forest management unit.
    d) The conversion complies with relevant state or federal legislation, and the enterprise has all necessary approvals for the conversion, in line with the applicable Commonwealth and state territory requirements”

    Full details are available on the FSC website here by inserting the name Forico and country Australia in the Organization field:

    http://info.fsc.org/certificate.php

    In my view, FSC is rapidly following PEFC down the lines of greenwash.

  20. Robin Charles Halton

    November 24, 2015 at 11:05 am

    #60 Carol good question, but I was considering the natural invasion of minor species into silvicultural treated eucalypt forest in ecological terms by keeping the balance of spescies.

    In my opinion FT should stick to the 90 year cycle if they continue to clearfell native forests. I could also suggest they may decide to selectively log some areas that prove to be rich in minor species as understory.

    Faster growing minor species such as blackwood and wattle presents no problem for shorter rotations than old growth in advanced eucalypt regrowth forests.

    Because are talking about Production Forests, the harvest of minor species from areas of pure rainforest STMU’s by leaving gaps post logging, myrtle seed is spread the same way as I described earlier #51 and would be the mainstay for myrtle, sassafras 90 years plus in the future.

    STMU’s would create the new generation of myrtle for production in 150+ years time.

    I may take the liberty to ask around if younger age myrtle has been successfully cut as milling timber for furniture and crafty knick knacks.

  21. Clive Stott

    November 24, 2015 at 9:50 am

    We can not keep up these senseless practices.
    The smoke from these burns is carcinogenic and causes cardiac and pulmonary diseases.

    The latest true cost of asthma alone in Australia is almost $28 billion.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-24/asthma-costs-australia-almost-28-billion-every-year-report-finds/6967372

  22. Carol Rea

    November 23, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    Ah #51 Robin – the young myrtle – “I am surprised that nobody has not been in the bush when myrtle has a good flowering year, resultant seed with its winglets flutters from the tree tops for considerable distance some of which lands in open ground hence creating a new generation of young myrtle.”
    Surely now growing in a coupe with a 40 to 80 year rotation? There will never be a mature myrtle there again under this regime.

  23. Leno

    November 21, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    I just don’t understand this story. The Tasmanian government gave Forestry Tasmania millions and millions year in year out and then they spent it all with no profit being made? From an outsiders perspective I don’t see how this can be right.

  24. Clive Stott

    November 21, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    Ted times are changing…

    Landmark decision:
    Judge Hill in Washington State recognizes Constitutional and Public Trust Rights. Announces it is the Washington Department of Ecology’s Legal Duty to Protect Atmosphere for Present and Future Generations.

    Press release: http://ourchildrenstrust.org/sites/default/files/15.11.20WADecisionPR.pdf

    Court Decision: http://ourchildrenstrust.org/sites/default/files/15.11.19.Order_FosterV.Ecology.pdf

  25. john hayward

    November 21, 2015 at 11:29 am

    Whatever changes the climate or evolution may wreak on the planet, entropy still rules in Tas. OK?

    ERIC HAS BEEN PRESELECTED AT NO1 ON THE TICKET!

    John Hayward

  26. Karl Stevens

    November 21, 2015 at 8:59 am

    Frank Strie. I’ve given-up on FSC. Life’s too short to waste time on greenwashing the Tasmanian Aboriginal genocide as ‘sustainable’.

  27. Robin Charles Halton

    November 21, 2015 at 6:35 am

    Ted Mead, a recent photo of the cable coupe on Junction Rd Hellyer Forest Block in all of its greenery would be a reasonable conclusion to the forestry argument that has been flourishing here for too long.

    The conclusion should be satisfactory once forest cover has been reestablished, isnt that what we all want.

  28. Frank Strie

    November 20, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    #50 Alison Bleaney
    “… then we need to go back to the drawing board.
    Simple really.” –

    OK Alison, please let me know what that will look like?

    Who is “we” need to go back to the drawing board?
    Who will go back, come back to the drawing board and when and how often and for how long?
    You have my contact details.

  29. William Boeder

    November 20, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    #44. Clive Stott. Hello Clive, I wonder how many people are aware that Korda Mentha goes to great lengths to justify its enormous and quite extensive range of fees per each insolvency undertaking.
    Then one can add to that enormously high pinnacle of Korda Mentha fees, when the functionaries of PPB Advisory send in their invoices for work claimed to have been carried out by PPB advisory, that becomes no. 3 in order of claimants on the assets of that particular insolvency case.

    What ever the Gunns Ltd assets may have once amounted to, then that which had remained after the Banks had secured their amount of funds,Banks, then the rest of the moolah in for example this Gunns Ltd estate is up for grabs by those who are positioned the closest to those funds, which after a period of time are all consumed by those close to this moolah.

    I can advise that this same Korda Mentha financial empire recently sought, via a High Court action, to justify the full monty of their enormous totalled invoice amounting’s per each case which have featured some of the largest insolvency cases that could have been made possible by either of the Big 4 Banks or a combination thereof.
    Then there has been the matter of over-servicing and improperly extended-term insolvency case claims brought against this same financial gazumping institution.
    I recall that a certain reputable senator had made the claim that there were evidences emerging of a serious new white-collar crime activity rising from within these financial aggregating entities.
    It is fair for me to claim that this insolvency gig is without any firm regulation, nor is their an agency of substance that can conclude what a fair charge is for a fair days work by the various seniority ranked individuals that had been claimed by the likes of Korda Mentha.

    One could readily claim that this rising set of of corporate gorgons could well be the equivalent of a newly styled mob of financial extraction operatives not unlike a new born Mafioso.

    One last reference to this well-connected group of gold-fingered elites is that Korda Mentha were appointed to oversee the integrity of yet another of the Commonwealth Bank Compensation Schemes that this Bank claimed to have set into place, to rectify the finding of a great volume of severely non-compliant uncontrolled fraudulent and falsity of documentation, that lay thick within the cabinets of the financial service advisory division, had actually failed in this high-level appointment.

    This same Bank has only paid out the most minimal quantum of compensatory monies to those persons that were deluded and or purposely savaged by this Banks ‘higher echelon aware management structure.’

    EG: “Speak not to me of white collar crime, for we are far to wealthy to be (seen or caught) engaging in this kind of deceptive conduct.”

  30. Ralph Wessman

    November 20, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    Re 32. Now you claim that FT has no scientists…

    I suspect the claim simply reflects the current staffing levels of FT’s scientific staff, which have downsized pretty dramatically since the contract non-renewal of FT’s Chief Scientist a few years ago.

    There’s a parallel here with the extent of scientific literature held by FT’s library, a good deal of which was culled four years ago. (I remember at the time being a bit deflated by it all and managed to salvage a couple of boxes of the best & find them a good home).

  31. Robin Charles Halton

    November 20, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    The aim is to produce a satisfactory crop of regeneration post harvest.

    Regen. requires sunlight and a seed bed free of poorly burny biomass on the forest floor.

    Intensive burning similar to a major wildfire is required before seeding is applied either by aerial seeding or from standing trees.

    In many cases the monoculture framing that is often used by those begrudging forestry can over a period of time become a mixed forest including blackwood from ground seed which can remain viable for 200 years or naturally aerially dispersed myrtle, sassafrass and leatherwood from around the coupes edges.

    I am surprised that nobody has not been in the bush when myrtle has a good flowering year, resultant seed with its winglets flutters from the tree tops for considerable distance some of which lands in open ground hence creating a new generation of young myrtle.

    This is why coupes should be dispersed into mosaic patterns to take advantage of large perimeter of treated coupes edges adjoining undisturbed rain forest or mixed forest.

  32. Alison Bleaney

    November 20, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    # 48 Between the concept and the reality lies the abyss…..FSC would make us believe in ecological sustainability ( and even yield) but the reality is that is just not so and cannot be with current practices. It is a hoodwinking exercise no matter how much they splutter, smooth ruffled feathers, and have stakeholder engagement webinars. In 2015 if this is the best we can do ( and it’s plainly not) then we need to go back to the drawing board.
    Simple really.

  33. Clive Stott

    November 20, 2015 at 2:46 am

    And others have talked about a 15 year rotation:

    http://kordamentha.com/news/gunns-woodchip-mill-re-opened

  34. Ted Mead

    November 19, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    FT science is biased science, not ecologically based science! It is designed to justify their short-term wood production /working forest agenda only -!!!!!!!

    There is a constant reference by the pro FT’ers requesting photographs of areas taken several years after logging and regeneration to display how everything is hunky dory out there in the forests once again. But there is more to the picture than meets the eye!

    Primarily these logged forests were previously extensive tracts of primeval country prior to European settlement. In most cases they have not seen catastrophic fires for centuries. What FT’s trashing does is to completely alter the ecosystem well beyond any events of natural fire phenomena. In FT’s archaic processes the soil is highly disturbed, all organics and humus is removed through fire, and the NPK elements are severely imbalanced.

    Yes the forest will recover and the natural biota can be restored providing there is adjacent intact forest, but it will take several centuries to replace such a well-balanced and evolving ecosystem. However that’s not what FT is about!!!!!!

    FT has only one agenda. That is wood production. All of their regenerated eucalypt forests are monoculture, hence the extreme density of eucalypt regrowth that will invariably have to thin themselves through natural competitive processes.

    What FT is aiming at is to produce a working forest on a 90-year rotation cycle. That means repeating the same obsolescent practices, which is still centuries away from being a return to the former ecosystem the wild forests once were.

    FT simply has no comprehension or ethical desire towards ecological management. For them it has always been about hypothetical economics, and a $ billion dollars of taxpayer funds have been squandered whilst they are still trying to get their head around that extractive/fiscal equation.

    In the present, particularly with the toxic liberal troglodytes in power, the status quo of forestry ideology in Tasmania prevails. Yet those rapacious clearfell, fire-bombing days of our native forests are soon to be gone, and the market certifying standards of the future will ensure it.

    I have reservations in the current FSC process, though the concept of it is reassuring. Unfortunately the Tasmanian government believes if you throw enough money at a process you usually get a desired result. A $7 million bonus to FT’s quest for FSC seems like a good start !!!!!!!

  35. John Powell

    November 19, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    William #46 …

    http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php?/article/the-short-sight-of-forestry-tasmania/

    … What I belive is an unrequired attack on me as an individual … and histrionic support of the FT/FPA proposed and actual activities on Coupe BA388D.

    This is ongoing as FT pursue their deflowering of this indigenous area in the PPZ in 2017/18.

  36. William Boeder

    November 19, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    #41. Thank you John Powell for confirming my thoughts toward our once upon a time prolific comment contributor.
    For the information of mjf, I have at last locked onto a means of taking an action against the State’s logging minister and the other minority shareholder this being this State’s treasurer, then to include the Skunk works of GBE Forestry Tasmania and its elder brother the State government of Tasmania.

    It was rather clever how you were superannuated by the Tas government and now engage in consultancy work, (Thanks John) without continuing the risk of staying employed with the GBE of Forestry Tasmania.
    Otherwise you would have to face the risk of being provided your superannuation retirement package with a bundle of IOU’s, (A special mention toward Miles Hampton and Michael Aird in this regard) yet you are still nostalgic over the former elaborate controls you never put into practice as a doyen of the FPA make believe regulatory processes.

    No mjf your comments are not convincing and also you have erred in so many of your critical references.
    Please have a nice day.

  37. Robin Charles Halton

    November 19, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    #42 Dear Editor, juist to let you know I absolutely loved George’s blogspot, the comments about Peg were stupendous, we should have more of this type of humor. Pity to remove it from the wider audience.
    (George’s link is still in his comment)

  38. john hayward

    November 19, 2015 at 11:18 am

    MJF, Halton, Woodchipper, and their ilk should at least acknowledge their debt to the Dead Parrot Sketch for their polemical strategies.

    The Tas logging industry’s extraordinary wastefulness and dishonesty have long been matters of record and of observable reality. Their continued combativeness may be the effects of senility.

    John Hayward

  39. phill Parsons

    November 19, 2015 at 10:21 am

    How long before the State works out logging on an island with a limited ferry service and great tourist potential is stupid and outdated, let alone it is an ideal refugia for many species including the swift parrot.

    The moratorium on forestry needs to be permanent. The colonial period has ended, nation building has changed and now we are in a post industrial era. Wooden mother boards are not going to be the next thing.

  40. Editor

    November 19, 2015 at 8:02 am

    Steve (39) makes such a good point … Consider the situation. Two lines of conversation; TT and anti-TT. One with rules, one with no rules…? … There have to be rules, a Code of Conduct, like it or not: http://oldtt.pixelkey.biz/index.php/pages/legalbits

    Steve is right about the (attempt) at humour …

  41. John Powell

    November 18, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    And how wonderful to see mjf … back in action. I understand he continues to provide consultancy services to FT/FPA for a fee in the Meander Valley area. Easy to be critical of those that wish to protect the environment when collecting $$$$$ … ?

  42. Robin Charles Halton

    November 18, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    I am at a point were I am angry towards TT. I dont take lightly the incresing number of deletions as the online newspaper is becoming TOO TAME in its need to allow individuals from all walks of life to express their opinions, with this article, notably George Harriss #33.

    Constantly I am asked Ted Mead ” the stirrer” to photograph the older logging areas post regeneration treatment.

    I welcomed George Harriss’s blog spot being allowed to be printed by the Editor at least it shows some point of democracy being allowed back into the ongoing forestry debate!

    All Ted Mead has to do is photo the areas he has shown in a later post burn condition, perhaps the cable coupe shown in Hellyer Forest Block logged by Glenn Nothrop under the banner of North Forests in the early 1990’s.

    It is true there were minor land slips at the time of harvest and probably post burn. Threshold slopes were then readjusted to comply with better understanding of geomorphological conditions amended within the Forest Practices Code.

    From what I can recall FT was not the forest manager involved with these events, North Forests were the Forest Managers at the time, the area being a part of the Southern Working Circle somewhere around the time of the abandonment of the 1926 APPM Concession.

    The area was definitely under he constant attention of the FPA.

    The Picton photo in the blogspot #33 submitted by George are true and factual but because of the Greenie inspired TFA FT lost this area into WHA which of cause is a great pity for the future of production forests.

    The photo just shows what can be achieved by good burning practice and successful seeding.

    So far all Ted Mead has done is to criticise EVERYTHING forestry, leaving an element of sacrifical suckers on teh TT site to giving the nod to his views.

  43. Steve

    November 18, 2015 at 8:53 pm

    #36; I’m not sure if the editor is displaying generosity or a quite elegant sense of humour; whichever it is, I’m not sure if the sentiment is sensible.
    Consider the situation. Two lines of conversation; TT and anti TT. One with rules, one with no rules…?

  44. spikey

    November 18, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    #33
    Mr Harris, would you like a sneak preview of my review of your recent comments on ABC radio following the book review of James Boyce’s book?

    Would you like me to post them here and/or on your amusing blog. That chapter is already written. It’s entitled ‘Saint George and the dragon’

    It’s a great read 🙂

  45. Pete Godfrey

    November 18, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    #35 Ted, yes George does seem a tad cantankerous.
    He after all was one of Gunns favourite cheer leaders when they were helping to supply minor species timbers by woodchipping over 5 million tonnes of our forest each year. Since their demise due to ineptitude and complete mis reading of customers and markets he has to survive on scraps fed to him by FT. It does seem to have changed his demeanour but not much.
    The tirade written about you shows us that you are making waves and that is the best we can hope for.
    Well done.

  46. Karl Stevens

    November 18, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    George Harris 33. It shows what an incredibly generous spirit the editor is?
    You can do quite amazing things with a humble blogspot site. For as little as 400 tonnes of woodchips I can give you a personalised javascript slider like the one here:
    http://west-tamar-talk.blogspot.com.au/

  47. Ted Mead

    November 18, 2015 at 12:12 pm

    Dear old cantankerous George and your TT slapper.

    You obviously admire my pseudonym.

    I think you will find George that the reason your TT comments are not published or are edited is because you refuse to comply with the TT code of conduct, which seems to be synonymous with your general demeanor.

    It would be easy to respond to you myopic diatribe, but maybe it’s better if you ask yourself who is winning the war to protect our magnificent forests from insatiable and senseless destruction.

    FSC or no FSC the days are gone of native forest pillaging on the scale we witnessed last century!!!

  48. George Harris

    November 18, 2015 at 11:27 am

    Thanks Linz….

  49. George Harris

    November 18, 2015 at 10:21 am

    Editor’s note: comment deleted – TT has a policy of not linking to other sites which don’t comply with TT’s code of conduct

  50. Ted Mead

    November 17, 2015 at 11:44 am

    #27 – Because you cower behind an acronym I can’t politely call you by name.

    Me thinks you haven’t been around in FT land all that long?

    Here some info for your benefit –

    The Hellyer Coupes also known colloquially as ‘Banner Ridge’ is on the Keith Map west of the upper Arthur River.

    The logging region was abandoned around 1990 due to internal FT rumblings about the steepness of the logging slopes. If there was professional planning management in the first place then this steep country would have never be considered for timber harvesting from the outset. So the region couldn’t have been be subjected to anything beyond identifying high-density extractable forest there. I will admit that FT’s harvest management plans have probably evolved forward somewhat since then.

    As for slope degree, the nose and flank of that coupe is 50 degrees plus, albeit a small section of the coupe. If my clinometer indicates a degree then I will stand by that rather than calculate the percentage value. In layman terms its simply too steep for land clearing. We will have to agree to disagree on the evaluation processes of that.

    Now you claim that FT has no scientists, which is contradictory to the FT’s ex Conservation officer (another oxymoron) who constantly claimed FT evaluates everything through science! The debacle Wielangta court case is a classic example. If you want to be informed about embarrassing FT falsifications I suggest you read the commissioner’s findings of that case.

  51. Karl Stevens

    November 17, 2015 at 10:12 am

    Tasmania has seen an astounding build-up of parliamentary residues.

    With no convenient way of exporting useless political residues, the whole island is being strangled by the torpid, fungal-like growths infecting the leather couches of the penal colony parliament.

    Can’t herds of Tasmanian parliamentary residues be loaded onto live residue export ships at Macquarie Wharf?

    Without access to markets for live political residues, the business of denying Tasmanian history and creating a destination for totalitarian tourists has become untenable.

  52. Steve

    November 17, 2015 at 12:24 am

    #28; I’m going to leave the rest of your post to others but I can’t pass by your description of a 60 degree slope as being essentially vertical!
    A 60 degree slope is as close to vertical as a 30 degree slope is to being flat. I’m guessing you were reading Zen and the Art of Chainsaw Maintenance during the relevant maths lessons at school but if you still own a protractor, it might be beneficial to pull it out, blow off the cobwebs and actually look at it.
    Ninety degrees from the horizontal is vertical. This can’t be expressed as a percentage as the percentage of a slope is the vertical rise divided by the horizontal distance. A vertical slope has no horizontal distance and you can’t divide by zero.
    The 100% slope you refer to is 45 degrees, where the vertical distance is the same as the horizontal distance (100 x 1/1). A sixty degree slope would be 173%, where every 173 metres of vertical rise covers 100 metres of horizontal distance.
    Sorry to be pedantic but if you are going to post from the the high mathematical ground, you probably should present your facts correctly. Mind you, I would agree with you about the images. There’s some steep hills shown but I doubt any are sixty degrees. Your 60% (31 degrees) is far more likely.

  53. spikey

    November 16, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    #21 thankyou for your kind permission sir/madam, I shall do so with relish once I’ve ascertained exactly what you are implying.

    Just to clarify your factual position which is ‘closer to the truth’ before I get busy on my next chapter, you do assert that ‘the claim there will be ongoing conversion to plantation is rubbish’

    As I read that, you are stating that there is absolutely no chance of conversion of any more native ‘mixed forest’ or ‘rainforest’ or any other ‘not yet plantation forest’ to plantation.

    I’d hate to think you were misleading the public audience of tasmanian times on this matter.

    I will add I find relating this to the disaster of BHP in brazil a little distasteful. We are discussing FT, not BHP, in Tasmania, not Brazil. I’m not sure why you’d even make the comparisson, the term strawman springs to mind as does distraction of attention.

    If indeed the days of conversion to plantation are over, that certainly warms the cockles of my heart and I apologise for any misunderstanding. I await your clarification with champagne chilling.

  54. MJF

    November 16, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    #21 You’re very keen to quote people Spikey but no problem, knock yourself out from me

    #22.Presumably into landfill then. Hope leaching was addressed.

    #24.Mead – I must apologise for I have seriously overestimated your level of general knowledge and understanding. Do rest assured I did receive an education at various institutions and did reasonably well at geometry, not that that has anything to do with measuring slope angle

    Some points of order to clarify:

    1)I don’t claim the slope of photo’d coupe is 31 degrees. You stated it to be nearly 60 degrees. I am merely trying to point out the stupidity of that statement. There are two ways to describe slope angle, either in degrees or percentage, they are not the same. Give yourself an exercise and google up a degree to percentage slope calculator. Now enter 60 degrees in the relevant field and see what the corresponding percentage is – 100 % or thereabouts. That’s a slope that is essentially vertical, either up or down. That’s the kind of slope you would be looking at standing on top of the Organ Pipes, Stacks Bluff or peering down from the Shot Tower. This is the kind of slope base jumpers seek out. Please advise Ted could you seriously leap off the edge of the landing in the photo, safely deploy a parachute and land in the gully below ? Have you seen cable coupes on vertical slopes ? How did the trees stand up ?
    There would be no soil. How do men stand up to fell trees that don’t grow there ? This is why your ridiculous claim triggered my bullshit detector, you lied for reasons best known to you.

    A little closer to the truth would be the slope angle actually being 60% which is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt in mixing up your units. I am not saying the coupe slope is 31 degrees as I haven’t been there but it would be a hell of a lot closer to that than your 60 deg.

    I suggest that if you’re going to wander around in the field and wish to accurately calculate slopes angles,then purchase yourself a clinometer which is a compact but precision instrument which instantly and accurately measures slope angle, anywhere, anytime. These are made by Suunto and cost about $300. They give you both scales when viewed through, degrees and percentage for any given slope. You could definitely benefit from some factual data. If you can state you found a 45 degree slope as measured through a clino, then no argument, I would accept that as true if I knew you knew how to actually use the instrument first.

    2) Forest veterans – while there can be no doubt 1000’s of tonnes of OG wood disappeared down the chute at Triabunnna, my point is that labelling log stocks in an aerial image of a logyard as all veterans is rubbish. You have no idea what the log stacks are made up of. If you wish to speculate on such things, then say as an example “in all probability a percentage of the logs stacks captured in this photo would comprise OG logs from the Southern Forests”
    Thats a reasonable description, yours is not and is clearly worded to be sensationalising.

    3) Not certain what “Heller forest area” is actually intended to mean but I can only presume you are referring to a section of FT’s Murchison District. Again you show compete ignorance. FT do not have their own scientists, any advice on area exclusions will be determined in collaboration with FPA specialists. If FT have consciously excluded areas from harvesting due to certain constraints then that shows the benefit of proper planning does it not ? You should be applauding these informed decisions.

  55. Ted Mead

    November 16, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    # 23 – For your info Robin – I haven’t been active regarding Lonely Planet’s view of Tasmania as I have more productive things to do, and anyway I’m sure it was merely a political statement from LP relating to the way they see Tasmania’s wilderness being grossly mismanaged.

    I think you will find there is nobody really driving your conspiracy theory as LP probably just informed themselves through social media and feedback.

    Whilst you continue to dwell in your insular cave you are forever out of touch and underestimate the political effectiveness of social media has to inform and change the way people think about issues and consumerism.

    Gone are the days of people standing in front of bulldozers, chaining themselves to things, or rubber stamping anti-protest laws. Social media is now the most powerful political tool of the modern era, and in the future it will be the demise of many unethical businesses.

    Social media will is the new wave of consumer boycotting.

    Soon FT won’t be able to export a stick of timber that doesn’t have FSC approval.

    Even in time Ta Ann will inevitably lose its markets.

    Whining about the good old days of free for all on the FT gravy train express won’t help your ulcers.

    Times are a changing!!!!!!!

  56. spikey

    November 16, 2015 at 2:49 pm

    #23 are they your words?
    can I quote you on them?

    who is weak?
    who is stirring up emotions?
    who has consistently supported past, present and future FT unsustainable uneconomic madness?
    who is chauvinistically inflammatory?

    Where have our mighty ‘mixed forests’ full of ‘minor species’ gone? Where is the regrowth of mature sassy, celery and myrtle from your scorched earth sustainable worlds best practise policies?

    pity help you if I decide your propaganda meets the criteria I and others have devised for deliberate public deception and environmental vandalism…for personal and political profit…as opposed to the clearly less damning closed minded ignorance

    I invented a catchy word: treeson
    to accurately describe the damage you and your cronies have and continue to engage in. In terms of environmental, social and economic damage to the state of Tasmania and all who dwell here.

    Continue to prove your intelligent capability/culpability as you see fit. My philosophical autobiography needs some more light relief.

  57. Ted Mead

    November 16, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    To those respondents in shock and awe of the truth that hurts.

    I would say the dated images are very relevant because It was in the 1990’s that FT first claimed ‘World’s Best Practice”

    What FT and all the deluded hangers-on need to prove is what has changed in their practises since then.

    Nothing of course, and that’s why FT will never get FSC.

  58. Ted Mead

    November 16, 2015 at 11:16 am

    More desperate comments from pro-forestry philistines that can’t comprehend photos are far more compelling than semantic waffle.

    # 20 – I’m not sure where you went to school, if you did, but you certainly must have failed geometry. Even to the naked eye that burnt coupe is very steep, well beyond the 30 degrees you claim. If fact that Heller forestry area was ultimately abandoned due to FT’s own scientists condemning it due to environmental instability. There are probably still coupes on slopes around the state beyond 30 degrees, particularly if there is any cable-logging going on.

    Insofar as logging of rainforest to convert to plantations on public land, the days of Nitens are gone, but monocultured single- species eucalypts are replacing rainforests. This is merely disguised by the Industry’s perverted definition of rainforest.

    FT’s own definition of old-growth is eucalypts that have reached an age of 110 years. The term veteran would then be defined as a tree beyond that age. Triabunna was a graveyard for such forests. If Triabunna wasn’t chipping these primeval forests that contained century old trees, then where did they go? Up in smoke? There are countless images of ubiquitous old stumps in charred coupes to show they once existed.

  59. Robin Charles Halton

    November 16, 2015 at 10:31 am

    Ted Mead, how dare you stir up the emotions of the weak by displaying out of date photos of logging operations to draw attention to former forestry activities in Tasmania.

    Man up and go back and show the regeneration created from the intense burns post harvest.

    Pity help you if you one of those mixed up with Lonely Planet’s recent false analysis of the current status of our working forests.

  60. Pete Godfrey

    November 16, 2015 at 9:42 am

    #20 MJF, as far as I know attempts were made to sell the woodchips, unfortunately they had sat on the bottom of the pile for a long time and were rotting. Also the time lag between Gunns closing the mill and Mr Wood taking over made the composting process more complete. I believe that that the EPA required the composting chips to be moved from their location because of some requirement that if the mill was closed for 2 years or more the site had to be rehabilitated or made safe.

    I don’t know all the details.

    Yes I did hear of the BHP stuff up, sort of reminds me of the OK Tedi disaster, where they managed to lose a gold mine tailings dam and destroy the river and livelihoods of many villagers downstream. I do remember the affected people trying to get $5billion in compensation for the damage but of course they could not afford to hire the lawyers or wait decades until the court system drained their meagre funds. I guess the same will happen in the Brazilian case.

  61. spikey

    November 16, 2015 at 8:27 am

    #20 MJF

    ‘No doubt this clearfelled “pure rainforest” will in fact be mixed forest by scientific definition but to claim there will be ongoing conversion to plantation is rubbish.’

    Can I quote you on that?

  62. MJF

    November 16, 2015 at 2:57 am

    …………yawn. Another exercise in yesterdays back page news from Mr Mead. Here we have an array of 1990’s photos representative of claimed forest practices breaches yet the Forest Practices Code was significantly revised/issued for use in 2000 and again revised/issued in July 2015. Such claims by the author and associated with old photos are at best disengenious and at worst simply dishonest.

    Re steep country harvesting comments, no Tasmanian coupe has ever been logged which has remotely approached 60 degrees slope angle. Such a claim is a lie. I would prefer to think Mead has got his units mixed up and is actually lamenting slope angle approaching 60% which is actually 31 degrees.
    “Enormous impacts with soil loss and geological instability” ? Evidence please rather than ambit claims. Would it surprise the author to learn steep country coupes are actually assessed for soil type, erodability, slope angle and landslip threshold during the planning process by trained feet on the ground (amongst many other things)?

    While we’re at it, to dredge up an old photo with a caption claiming conversion of Tarkine rainforest to monoculture plantation and to present it as still happening is another lie and cannot go unchallenged. No doubt this clearfelled “pure rainforest” will in fact be mixed forest by scientific definition but to claim there will be ongoing conversion to plantation is rubbish. Mead in my view has no credibility but lacks nothing in imaginative fertility.

    #6. PG – What happened to the 30,000 tonnes of chip Cameron and Wood had to move ? Why did they not sell them as is, they only needed another 15,000 for a boat load.
    BTW, the chip heap would have also included wood from private property as well as sawmill residues so technically not all from “our forests” and certainly not all “veterans” as Mead colourfully describes them. May even have been plantation wood mixed up in it. In the pursuit of accuracy, you would have needed at least another 10% of weight in log form to produce the alleged 30K in chip heap. This is due to typical losses in chipping of fines, breakages, shatter, out of spec chips, internal defect in logs, remnant bark etc.

    #15. RCH – correction, cable logging continues on today.

    Did anyone notice BHP’s Brazilian slip-up last week ? Yes I know, completely insignificant when compared to Tassies environmental catastrophes.

  63. Treeger

    November 15, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    #15, see the current 3 year plan from FT. “C” in column 4 stands for Cable, C/G stands for predominantly cable.

  64. jamie ward

    November 15, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    Just completed a three day trip through the Upper Blessington area near St Mary’s and saw fresh, massively destructive clear fell operations in a number of areas. A truly hideous sight that horrifies any visitor.
    Re #15..Cable logging still going on in Tas. Seen it with my own eyes.
    For those that believe that God made this earth, why are we shitting all over what God has given us?
    Complete rape and desecration of Gods good earth for no gain what so ever.
    Worlds Best Practice??
    Utter garbage.

  65. Claire Gilmour

    November 15, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    Thanks Ted Mead and Paul Tapp …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAj1hsXp18c

  66. Claire Gilmour

    November 15, 2015 at 9:16 pm

    The oxymoron is … the government selling your environment and heritage to the very people they seemingly want to create a war with.

    Can you support the Government, indeed those ‘special’ Ministers and Forestry Tasmania and their sell out to the ta ann the muslims if you’re an anti-muslim?

    Remember that when your clearfelling, burning, poisoning, driving your truck up the anti …

    The pros have got you sidelined … big time!

  67. Robin Charles Halton

    November 15, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    Ted Mead, your photography is ancient, these practices such as cable logging does not happen any more, Triabunna “ist glossen” get over it and have a cold shower.
    OR
    I think that you could go back to those areas and photograph them now and wrap your self in the regeneration.

    Show us the result although you may not have agreed with the initial forest practices!

    Thank you Ted.

  68. john hayward

    November 15, 2015 at 7:15 pm

    Just last week there was a RN discussion on how the world is starting to take environmental crime, such as poaching of endangered species, illegal fishing, and rapacious logging, as global felonies.

    This is bad news for Tas logging, our biggest CO2 generator, where we have skirted the issue by legalising looting.

    John Hayward

  69. Karl Stevens

    November 15, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    Jack lumber. It took an extra half hour to understand my thought process did it? I’m kinda used to that.

    I think you should be concentrating more on 9-11-2001 than 1994. Forestry Tasmania has no reason whatsoever to be bankrolling and slavishly supporting Sunni forestry. Its just too alien for the rest of us. They actually burn peat swamps to grow palm oil that is now regarded as carcinogenic to humans. The smoke is also deadly to humans. They lie constantly about the massive land clearing of Sarawak and they are the foremost practitioners of ‘crony capitalism’.

    You see Jack, they are all convinced they will get 27 virgins in heaven, not 25 or 30 but a precise 27. Dying is their big windfall. How could the member for Huon and the lead Liberal senator for Tasmania have taken this rubbish hook, line and sinker? I think it’s close to treason for the Liberal Party to be working for those who want to destroy our way of life.

  70. Doug Nichols

    November 15, 2015 at 6:30 pm

    Re #10, if “two wrongs don’t make it right” neutralises my point in #9, which I am prepared to accept, then it neutralises yours in #7 as well. Got you!

  71. jack lumber

    November 15, 2015 at 3:04 pm

    Karl herard of the “1994” rule and FSC

  72. jack lumber

    November 15, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    re #9 doug two wrongs don’t make it right so no argument here .

    karl as always a pleasure not to understand your thought processes

  73. Doug Nichols

    November 15, 2015 at 2:10 pm

    #7, while you’re laughing at that little mistake jack, I’m laughing at the time I was at a talk by Bob Gordon (at a conference of the Australian Skeptics a few years ago) where he was explaining how forests can recover. He put up an old photo of some tree stumps and bare earth, said it was caused by mine pollution on the King River years ago, then put up another picture of the same river with the trees having regrown. The audience of Skeptics was supposed to nod and agree what a load of nonsense the conservationists talk about.

    I pointed out to him that the first photo was not old, but could be photographed today (indeed I had, just a few months earlier), and it’s not the King River, but the head of Lake King William just outside Derwentbridge, with low water levels so the stumps of the old trees were exposed.

    Who knows how many times he had used that photo to make his point.

  74. Karl Stevens

    November 15, 2015 at 1:13 pm

    jack lumber 7. The question you couldn’t answer regarding palm oil plantations was finally answered by Abdul Taib Mahmud’s cousin and Ta Ann owner Hamed Sepawi.

    Sepawi said ‘oil palm plantation is reforestration and not the deforestration of tropical rainforest’.

    That means palm oil plantations are ‘forests’ and can be certified by FSC International. It also means the mono eucalyptus plantations in Tasmania are ‘reforestation’. Interestingly, an FSC ‘forest’ only needs to have one species.

    I’m glad it’s been cleared-up by a qualified forester.

    http://www.theborneopost.com/2013/06/25/oil-palm-cultivation-is-reforestration-planters-national-seminar-told/#ixzz2XD4oPvtM

  75. jack lumber

    November 15, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    while dated and the comments are tired and wearisome at least they are Euc . The rest of us are still laughing about a certain Tas Green Green MP , using a picture and refer to the misjudged lonlely plantet comment … It was a picture of softwood plantations in Sth Africa and she was trying to say it was in Tasmania .

    Now back to the pictures above …… how may pictures do you want of bushfires and regeneration , clearfell and regeneration .

  76. Pete Godfrey

    November 15, 2015 at 10:15 am

    Well put Ted, thanks for maintaining the rage.
    The picture of Triabunna woodchip mill is pertinent, after Gunns closed the mill there were 30,000 tonnes of woodchips left unsold. The new owners had to move them to rehabilitate the site to meet EPA requirements. So 30 thousand tonnes of our forests were destroyed and left to rot, that is around 3000 truck loads of logs cut, carted, chipped and left to rot. And the best bit is we paid massive subsidies to the companies to do it.
    Rage is the only response.
    This ongoing conversion of rainforest to eucalypt forest must never be sanctioned by FSC or any other organisation that claims to be environmentally responsible.
    Love to catch up sometime Ted.

  77. peter adams

    November 15, 2015 at 10:01 am

    Thanks Ted. Because it is too easy to fall asleep, we need constant reminding of the nightmare FT has unleashed upon us.

  78. Paul Tapp

    November 15, 2015 at 9:34 am

    Well said Ted, the pics and the sentiment say it all. Take no prisoners in your quest to expose the forest fuckers and it starts right from the very top of the political tree. I spent my early years in a mining town beneath Ben Lomond, surrounded by the silence of the forest. I even wrote as a kid, broken-hearted at having left my sanctuary in a high-school essay, about discovering the lair of a thylacine within those forested hills, hoping one day to return. Since then of course, the region has been clear-felled and re-planted with monoculture; a heart-breaking statement of Tasmania’s dependence on the forestry industry.
    I visited the Tarkine and also took photographs of soaring, silent trees and wondered how anybody could cut them down, disturb the peace of ancient forests and the mysteries within. But they do, without conscience, for at the end of the day, it is merely a tree and it is a practical way to put bread on the table, when jobs are scarce and global economics can put them on unemployment lines at any time.

    I recently put together a little movie (a hobby) of a couple from North Queensland, we had a beer with in Launceston. I interviewed them at a little pub and asked them why they chose to holiday in the dead of a Tassie Winter. They said they wanted to see a frost and see some snow and feel cold.

    As they made their way they sent me photos of where they’d been with little descriptions of many things, the sadness of unemployment in Queenstown etc. Their only disappointment was their encounter with a giant log truck, which scared them a little and made them a bit wary of their road-trip.

    They said they had no idea how beautiful and different Tassie was and now use my little DVD souvenir to persuade their friends to visit Tassie.

    It has been stated many times that tourism is the key to the end of the industrial assault on our natural heritage. Its promotion as our key industry should be a continuum in the minds of all our pollies. The smoke signals in Tassie skies should be enough as a continual reminder.

  79. Paul Tapp

    November 15, 2015 at 9:03 am

    The Forest Fucker
    © P.A.Tapp, Feb 1 2007

    We’ve got to make you listen
    To make you understand
    That the way to fight the foresters
    Is with the swipe of a good back hand.
    Until we speak the language we’ll never kick bad arse
    It’s the only way to win the fight of the nouveau riche low class.

    What set me off on this diatribe was the prick in the truck behind
    I wasn’t going fast enough
    For the big truck’s slo-mo mind
    They hate to share the roadway with the likes of me and you
    But their hatred’s more than matched by mine
    To with them share it too.

    So he pushed his rig until it filled
    My rear view to the max
    The gap between his chrome, my car
    Damn near filled my dax
    He followed on as though attached
    Just to let me know
    That the highway’s built for highway men
    And not for the tourist flow.

    This was evident as I Roadhouse passed
    He slowed right down
    To detach himself
    For a grease-stop food and fast.
    So I had never really hindered him from his run to the forest far
    He was pissed at having to share his rig
    On the road with a touring car.

    And so I thought, I’ll turn about
    And with this red-neck have it out
    Put it to him straight I would
    A bunch of fives would do him good
    Speak the language as he awaited tucker
    The language of the forest fucker.

    The language of the roadtrainers
    The chainsaw gangs; the clear-fellers
    The language of the skidder
    That fouls the earth where the rivers run
    The language of the marching ants that would scalp the Amazon
    The language of the balance sheet that writes off you and me
    On the highways cursed by trucks galore
    In pursuit of the money tree.

    But no thought I, the law protects the source of lucre’s filth
    A better path to ease my angst would be by keyboard stealth
    Once penned the words shall echo
    In language, style, persuading
    Those with ears to count the years of a road toll’s tears cascading.

    We gotta speak the language
    The same as the cowboy trucker
    Match him with respect deserved
    Of the mindless forest fucker.

  80. Paul Tapp

    November 15, 2015 at 9:02 am

    The Tasmanian Devil
    By Paul Tapp© 1985

    Within my dream
    There lives a scream
    Which fills me so with fear
    I feel its breath upon me
    The beast is drawing near
    It’s breath is hot and fetid
    And it vomits in the seas
    The beast has dogs
    Which carry logs
    The monster feeds on trees.

    Within my dream there came a scream
    Like I’ve never heard before
    Something like the shrieking
    Of the modern bushman’s saw
    The beast is eating Paradise
    And knocking at my door.

    I see the silent , sleeping stream
    Swallowed in one gulp
    Hear mother nature weeping
    As her children turn to pulp.
    Hear the wailing of a people
    Who fell for the charade
    And wake to find the beast from Hell
    About in their back yard.

    So sleep a troubled sleep
    The beast will let you sleep
    But wake up if you care
    Wake up if you dare
    The beast is omnipresent…
    That means it’s everywhere
    I hear him in the haunted hills where he reaps without relent
    I hear him lying in the halls of the people’s parliament
    I see him standing at the bar
    The saw-dust on singlets in ranks
    I hear a jingling continuum
    The beast owns all the banks
    And see the people all in lines
    Like sheep we often see
    The silent shepherd is the beast
    The stupid sheep-
    Are we.

  81. Paul Tapp

    November 15, 2015 at 9:00 am

    The Magic Forest
    ©1972
    Shadows fleeing,
    Forest waking,
    Shafts of yellow light…
    Day’s breaking.
    Luminescent web is melting
    Droplets swelling, sparkling, falling
    Pardelote, currawong, cockatoo calling.

    Wand’ring young man.
    Forest steaming.
    Breath is vapour.
    Young mind dreaming.

    If you had seen it.
    Felt it.
    Smelt it.
    Had you wandered.
    Knew it.
    Loved it.
    Living forest.
    Whispering air.
    Had you wandered by my mountain
    Magic forest still be there.

    But look about you mister.
    Mister MP.
    Through that hilly vista.
    Tell me what you see.
    You won’t find a tree.
    Came a rumbling convoy.
    Carted them away.
    No trees here today.

    What brand of humanity.
    What kind of insanity.
    Condones the depravity
    That cuts down the trees
    Brings a forest to its knees?

    Go away now mister
    Leave this barren, smould’ring vista.
    Tell the people where you’ve been.
    Tell the people what you’ve seen.

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