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STATE: Giddings’ fight. Hirst, Ritchie, Arctic 30, WHA, Booth pulps Mulder, Parks. Copping

LIBERAL chances of securing majority government have been bolstered with 18-year Upper House veteran Paul Harriss to officially announce today he will run for the party in the Lower House at the state election in March.

Mr Harriss will join Opposition Leader Will Hodgman, current MP Jacquie Petrusma and former mother of the year Bernadette Black in a strong field running for Franklin.

His announcement is expected to be seen as a concern for Labor, with former independent Mr Harriss’s profile set to make it harder for Premier Lara Giddings and David O’Byrne to retain their seats in Franklin.

Mr Harriss, who will have to retire from the Upper House seat of Huon he has held since 1996, said yesterday he had approached Opposition Leader Will Hodgman last Wednesday to talk about running for Franklin.

“We are in desperate need for a change in direction,” he said.

“I believe in a fair go in an environment where you encourage growth and investment.

“What has driven me, in the past 30 years in public life, is the free enterprise system that gives people the opportunity to build business, creating the environment that promotes and sustains society.

Full story here

• The Hag, in Comments: SCOOP: From Dimity Hirst’s Facebook Page: It seems the Libs have rejected Give It Back campaigner Michael Hirst’s bid to become an MP …

A-G Brian Wightman: Liberal candidate Harriss should resign as MLC

Nick McKim: Liberals anoint forestry dinosaur

The Hag, in Comments: There is a strong and I think well-founded rumour doing the rounds amongst the ALP insiders who are saying that their old friend Alison Ritchie is going to run in Lyons – wait for it … … as a candidate for the Palmer United Party. Some people never know when to quit do they?

ABC: Harriss resists pressure to resign from Upper House

ABC: Activist’s wife pleads with AbbottVideo plea, here

ABC: Tasmanian integrity watchdog seeks wider powers to investigate corruption

ABC: Talks begin on Coalition plan to cut Tasmania’s World Heritage Area

• Pilko, in Comments: Tony Mulder MLC once again asserted today that the taxpayer buy the mill. Mulder suggested that when the mill inevitably becomes a profitable venture then we sell it! Ezy pezy, cookie cutter simple. Tony youre a genius mate. Ya wouldnt be takin the piss would ya? Pulp mill support ‘a waste of time’ Examiner: A MOVE to show support for the development of a Tamar Valley pulp mill is a time wasting, headline-grabbing exercise, a Legislative Councillor has said. Mersey independent MLC Mike Gaffney said Windermere independent MLC Ivan Dean’s decision to bring on debate on a motion asking the upper house to reaffirm its support for the proposed pulp mill on the third last day of parliament for the year was a media stunt.

Kim Booth: Shadow over pulp mill persists The Tasmanian Greens today tabled their Pulp Mill Assessment Act (Repeal Section 11) Amendment Bill 2013. Greens Forestry spokesperson Kim Booth MP said that the Bill is an important reminder that the community disquiet over the divisive and polluting Tamar Valley pulp mill proposal is still strong. “Now the Pulp Mill Permit is being hawked to any potential bidder by Gunns’ administrators, it is important that any prospective buyer is clear that despite there being corrupted legislation in place, the project does not have a social licence, and will never have a social licence,” Mr Booth said. “This Section 11 Repeal Bill being on the books is a potential ‘sword of Damocles’ hanging over the Tamar Valley pulp mill.” “Section 11 of the Pulp Mill Assessment Act 2007 is an abhorrent provision which should never have been allowed to pass the Parliament. It seeks to deny all Tasmanians their normal democratic processes to appeal any aspect of the project.”

• Examiner: MLC Tony Mulder urges state to fund, build then sell pulp mill

IF THE government wants a Tamar Valley pulp mill it should fund and build it itself rather than wait for a private investor, Rumney MLC Tony Mulder has said.

Speaking on a motion for the Legislative Council to reaffirm its support for the stalled project, Mr Mulder said it was not enough for the government or the opposition to say they supported the project.

“The state should step in, get an equity partner, take up the licences and build a mill and when it’s built they should release it to the market,” Mr Mulder said.

Mr Mulder said 80 per cent of lower house MPs in Tasmania were elected in 2010 on a platform of supporting the pulp mill, but private companies still appeared reluctant to support it due to lack of “social licence”.

“Eighty per cent of voters . . . I think that’s a social licence,” he said.

Fallen timber company Gunns received final approvals for the Long Reach project last year before going into administration. Receivers KordaMentha formally put the site on the market this month.

Read the full story here

ABC: Upper House set to remove abortion from Tasmania’s criminal code

Southern Waste Solutions: Update regarding minor fire at Copping landfill site

• Ian Broinowski, in Comments: The Puppets United Party (PUP) is the real threat to the Tasmanian Liberal Party rather than those terrible Greens or dissolute Laborites. Don’t get me wrong I like listening to Clive, he is larger than life, entertaining and charismatic, in fact, the antithesis to the current Liberal candidates. And there’s the rub: disaffected voters may well be attracted by his effervesce and outlandish spur of the moment comments but his candidates will also have serious money to throw around next year. It has been reported he spent $15,000,000 in one week prior to his election so couple more million to gain influence in Tasmania will be of little consequence to his piggy bank.

Cassy O’Connor: National Parks under siege “There is an alarming pattern emerging from Liberal Coalition state governments around the nation, of eroding National Park protections and handing over wilderness areas to private companies.”

Nick McKim: Big step towards fairer elections in Tasmania “Elections should be contests between values, vision and policy, not who has the deepest pockets.” “This Bill seeks to establish a fairer and more level playing field as well as provide a mechanism for state-based real time disclosure of political donations.”

Globe and Mail: First of Greenpeace activists given bail in Russia walks free AS … As Tasmania’s Colin Russell continues to languish in gaol, despite wife’s plea, Mercury here

• Sarah Taylor in Comments, Here: Update regarding minor fire at Copping landfill site This wouldn’t happen if they employed waste to energy units. There wouldn’t be any left over waste to catch fire. It would all be in the form of electricity and addressing climate change – something useful – as opposed to something which obviously cannot be managed. It is time to move out of the denial phase and accept realities. Two fires and one flood in a year … These incidents are clear warnings that a C cell is doomed to failure.

ABC, AFP: Greenpeace protests Russia jailings in Warsaw tower stunt

ABC: Father’s solo anti-junk food campaign takes a shot at Cricket Australia

ABC: Tasmanian Parliament decriminalises abortion amid protests as pro-life campaigners say doctors will quit

ABC: Upper House votes down bid to make it harder to sack public servants

Mercury: Golf proposal has locals up in arms on TT: Nick McKim: Aboriginal and local community concern on Arm End development

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46 Comments

46 Comments

  1. Basil Fitch

    November 24, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Did You Know?

    David Llewellyn getting cold feet about standing in Lyons? And so he should – hang up your boots David.

    Spring Bay Mayor Cadart to stand for Libs in Lyons, backed by Abetz and Big Sam. Dudded Hirst, who was supported by Hodgman. Hirst not happy.

    Llewellyn(70+) & Cadart(65)- there is hope for me yet at 76, and my mates in retirement village to get a birth. No wonder voters are disillusioned!

    Vic. Napthaline govt axed cold seam gas until 2016 wants public and professional input. Will the same apply Tas.(Midlands proposed). Bet not 20 jobs-jobs-jobs, bugger whether fire flies out of your tap when you turn it on. Bugger the farmers, another pulp mill disaster!

    Palmer spent $10million on Fed. election with success said he could win enough seats in Tas. to rule in his own right. Start stocking up the fridge going to be long election night.

    Hypocrite Liberal dominated LegCo have trashed the standing of the institute. Euthanasia voted down 8-6. Abortion passed. Terminate life at beginning (abort). Keep you suffering in pain when you are dying. What a joke they are.

    Adam Brooks cried foul, cap election spending (his reputed $150,000-$300,000) to beat Brett Whitely (Hodgman backed), bought the seat!
    Braddon voters put Whiteley into Fed parliament, perhaps realised voted wrongly at State election?The old paper Tas. Truth always said the Coast mob were odd.

    Liberal transplant Ivan Dean calls on LegCo s to support pulp mill. Why? (Already has both Houses approval.) McKim’s Bill to remove Section 11 must have him frightened. McKim should move to reject licence, not acted 6 months. Dean and 7 Lib mates wasting time.

    Sitting 50 days at cost to us of $3,000 a day, plus perks and lurks, come on Lara re-open parliament until 20 outstanding Bills are passed,
    and don’t call election until achieved.

    Just on Fed Treasurer Hockey, pays $8.5 billion to Reserve Bank, who didn’t ask for it. Why give it to them?? Next breath wants borrowings increased from $300,000billion to $500,000 billion. Getting ready for Double Dissolution or election. Must have 15% GST on everything to pay debt…. 10/1 on!!!! Basil

  2. Simon Warriner

    November 23, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    I would direct my gaze far closer to home if I were you, Bazzabee. The Tasmanian Fire Service have some very similar issues heading their way, and the relevant Labour Minister has had them on his plate but elected to ignore them. So has the Attorney Generals office. Interesting given what O’Byrne has previously had to say about not tolerating bullies.

    This should worry the hell out of our government, and the general public, because when what they have done becomes public, the cry for more volunteer fire fighters currently being run on the ABC radio is going to sound very unappealing.

  3. Leonard Colquhoun

    November 23, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    “Elections should be contests between values, vision and policy, not who has the deepest pockets.”

    But not confined to those, for therein lies the road to dictatorship, even if imposed for the best intentions and ‘our own good’ to ‘save us from ourselves’ or, in today’s jargon, to ‘save the planet’. Every Marxist “dictatorship of the proletariat” ended up specifically betraying the “proles” as a dictatorship of the intelligentsia and the nomenklatura.

    Yes, we need “values, vision and policy” (especially in that mainstream party which boasts so loudly about them), but they need to be put into practice by MPs as representative PLUs. The once-great and formerly inspiring ALP has degenerated into the most unrepresentative party in our history, and we are entitled to reckon that most of its apparatchiki now despise anyone who works in field and factory with their hands.

  4. bazzabee

    November 22, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    As a matter of principle I try to avoid using quotes from any of the papers owned by the evil emperor but this piece from The Australian Nov 14th is worth quoting at some length.

    “CLIVE Palmer’s Queensland dinosaur park and tourism resort are at the centre of a probe by the Fair Work Ombudsman after serving and former staff complained of severe bullying, abuse, false claims of theft, intimidation and the stripping of entitlements.

    Brisbane-based inspectors from the Commonwealth Fair Work Ombudsman’s office have been conducting a preliminary investigation into the allegations from staff, including Mr Palmer’s former security manager, Mike Hennessy. He described the Sunshine Coast workplace as “toxic” and claimed that Mr Palmer was a “tyrannical bully”.

    I would contend that even if the story is only half correct it would not be unreasonable to ask of each and every Palmer United Senator,member and candidate where they stand on the rights of working people? I am sure that workers would want to know what exactly is the Palmer United IR policy? This question would be especially relevant to any candidate who had previously been a member of the ALP.

  5. Russell

    November 21, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “Tasmania’s Integrity Commission wants similar powers to police so it can better investigate allegations of corruption and misconduct.”

    To harass and shut people up more like it.

  6. Robin Halton

    November 20, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    # 35 Ron Parsons: Its a pity Allison Ritchie could not accept the fact that because of her former political blemishes as a Minister with State Labor then an aborted attempt to run as an Federal Independent, it is she should stay clear of politics altogether.

    PUP could not possibly benefit from her pushing her way in where she is definitely not wanted.
    Banishment would be a better word.
    PUP needs to careful it who it selects.

    If PUP needs a ring master, a former successful Hobart City Counciller Marti Zucco could be a worthy choice.

    Marti can be rude and abrupt but there you go, he can be both outlandish and outstanding, left Council of his own accord was sidelined by the Liberals, run for a Federal seat with PUP, no doubt he is not going to sit around and twiddle his thumbs, is he!
    I would imagine he would like to show Will Hodgman the thumb across the floor if he managed to make it all the way.

    While I think that State Labor has little chance under the control freak Giddings regime carrying the baggage of her indecisive, fiddly farting Forests Minister / Deputy Clown, Hodgeman still needs to convince voters that he is the leader of choice!

    So far Will has not reached that level, then look out for PUP assuming they round up a few attractive candidates to run then the Liberals could face a significant challenge to be elected outright to govern after March 2014.

  7. John Biggs

    November 20, 2013 at 11:33 am

    #36 Palmer was exposed on 7.30 Report a couple of nights ago. There were claims that his Coolum resort had shed 400 jobs, was in the red, and he treats his staff abominably, brooks no disgaremment whatsoever. Has done one mining deal for about $400 million, no billions anywhere, has no mines today and is heading for imminent financial trouble. If this is true, it is doubtful he and his minions will stay the course of the current parliament.

  8. TGC

    November 20, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Palmer United Party via Clive Palmer is forecasting it will have a majority in Tasmania following the March/May election.
    Who will be the Premier?

  9. Robin Halton

    November 20, 2013 at 9:52 am

    #36 Ian Broinowski, I think your views may be shared by many, PUP is either a threat to or a necessary partner to give the Liberals the numbers to form government.

    Although I show myself as a pro forestry supporter in my # 29, at this stage I am not too sure if the Lambie/Morgan plan for a pulp mill for Burnie is genuine or just a pie in the sky, dreamt up by PUP leader Clive Palmer in an attempt to encourage Tasmania out of its economic mess.

    PUP needs to build up the case for a pulpmill and this could be based on the successfull sale of Gunns standing eucalypt plantation plus freehold land currently under offer by expressions of interest / receivers Korda Mentha.

    In my opinion PUP needs to be reasonably sure before State election time, ensuring the project would stack up given the current trend for any new pulpmills NOT to be built in Western countries for both economic and environmental reasons.

    Perhaps the charming Clive could introduce us to the delegation of Chinese or S Korean developers before the State election once the Gunns plantation sale is in its final stages.

    This is “a something” for both the State and Federal govts to gets their heads around especially as PUP shows that it is leading the charge with a “strong” possibility of political success in Tasmania.

    I’ll throw in my support on the basis there is sufficient resource in the State both private and Crown plantation wood, native forest residues, employment opportunities for locals and not Asian nationals, the Govt does not need to subsidise the project unlike the Ta Ann operations which cost the taxpayer for the benefit their owners in Sarawak.

    In my opinion dont touch the Tamar Valley, we dont want another episode of disaffected locals supported by the screaming Greens.

  10. David Mohr

    November 19, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    I can’t see the PUP attracting enough votes to get a seat in any electorate and they won’t hurt the Liberals as their preferences will flow straight back to them. Libs looking at 14 seats I reckon.

  11. john hayward

    November 19, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Whatever the economic unfeasibility of the mill, it won’t be scotched on legal grounds. The Landon-Lane challenge to the PMAA found that Tas laws are all continually revised on a white board on an ad hoc basis.

    John Hayward

  12. Ian Broinowski

    November 19, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Dear Editor,

    The Puppets United Party (PUP) is the real threat to the Tasmanian Liberal Party rather than those terrible Greens or dissolute Laborites. Don’t get me wrong I like listening to Clive, he is larger than life, entertaining and charismatic, in fact, the antithesis to the current Liberal candidates.

    And there’s the rub: disaffected voters may well be attracted by his effervesce and outlandish spur of the moment comments but his candidates will also have serious money to throw around next year. It has been reported he spent $15,000,000 in one week prior to his election so couple more million to gain influence in Tasmania will be of little consequence to his piggy bank.

    While readers may dislike the current major parties they are at least representative, accountable to their members, their ideals and beliefs which cannot be said for PUPs which is built entirely around the views and resources of one man – a first in Australia.

    What’s their alternative? Had the Liberals supported a return to a workable size of the House of Assembly or at least considered a coalition with another party the prospect of a couple of PUPs in the house would matter far less. However to vote against a limit on election spending simply defies logic or ethical reasoning. There is a troubling air of complacency settling over the Liberals as they presume government will be theirs in a few months’ time.

    I am far from convinced that this will be an easy road. If there are PUPs running amok and they gain some balance of power our State could in effect become just another Clive Palmer playground complete with its own dinosaurs.

    Ian Broinowski

  13. Ron Parsons

    November 19, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    #17 Question for the Hag about the “strong rumour” that Alison Ritchie will stand in Lyons for the PUPs. If this rumour is found to be untrue, will Hag reveal the source of the rumours?

    There is a more likely school of thought that this is nothing more than David O’Bryne et al trying to flush out whether or not she is running in Franklin, a concern that would be greatly exacerbated with the announcement that Paul Harriss is running in Franklin – something that TT readers have quite rightly commented on already.

    The real issue is that if Ritchie were to put her hand up for Franklin, even if she didn’t win a seat, this would all but assure that Labor would only be fighting for one seat.

    It would be a shame if the Hag’s Labor friends are using her to run their political agendas and even worse if Hag is complicit in such a sham.

    Ritchie has been successful in 2 of 3 elections and is relatively young. The comments that she shouldn’t consider standing for office are ridiculous. What about David Llewellyn, Lin Thorp, Marti Zucco, Richard James and many other perennials that have appeared on ballot papers for decades? It does seem as though this is a bit personally driven without any factual basis.

    The only people that should give up are those people that hide in shadows while they throw stones.

    Ed: The Hag is partial to Green Fairy Absinthe … that should tell you something. But she does have an astonishingly good strike rate with her Boulevard of Broken Dreams’ rumours, which is all this is. ‘By their fruits you shall know them,’ is, Hag believes, an appropriate response to your observations. She also acknowledges the truth of your observation about Llewellyn Thorp et al. Hag is an ageing hack and subscribes to the old journo pledge to never, ever reveal her sources (or her sauces for that matter; she makes a damn fine spag bol sauce (with carrot and lots of garlic). What does Alison say? She is most welcome to affirm/deny (or say whatever she wants) on this website, as anyone is …

  14. Mike Adams

    November 19, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    I sat in a ‘public’ seat behind the aldermanic one occupied by Ivan Dean at the first ‘pulp mill debate’ in the Launceston City Council.

    Mr Dean frequently consulted and quoted from a file of documents. I was able to note that the documents had a Jaako Poyry letterhead. It’s evident that his first enthusiasm for a Tamar mill was influenced by what he read, and that this was in no way diminished by the much less than independent nature of Jaako Poyry’s information.

    It seems not a lot has changed.

  15. Cameron

    November 19, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    #20 ‘robust assessment process’ BWA HAHAHAHA that is the best laugh I’ve had today. It was about as robust as my deciding what to have for breakfast this morning. What an absolute joke. (Toast with marmalade and a mandarin, in case anyone’s interested.)

  16. TGC

    November 19, 2013 at 11:00 am

    #24 It must be said that those MLC’s not supporting the continuation of a push for a pulp mill in Tasmania aren’t reading the domestic economic news-except, of course, they have the low-down on some very large and “suitable” investments for Tasmania -coming very soon!
    Otherwise they are just mucking about.

  17. David Obendorf

    November 19, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Yes, John Hawkins – bring on [b]Scruffy[/b] in all Tasmanian electorates – the ultimate [i]Protest Vote[/i]. When we have such an unelectable lot of incumbent political ‘dogs’ to vote for in the House of Assembly, the disillusioned, the demoralised, the let-down and the angry need to know who to vote for.

    What a Dogs’ Breakfast!!!

    Even [b]Bob Brown and Christine Milne[/b] know the power of the Protest vote…. sometimes it works in the Greens favour, sometimes not.

    PS: John maybe you can get some tips from YLvis video that has gone viral. Good luck!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE

  18. Estelle Ross

    November 19, 2013 at 10:07 am

    I cannot believe that the spectre of the pulp mill is to be resurrected once again.

    If Richard Chandler’s due diligence decided that it was a no-goer then why on earth should any other company even give it consideration. It never had and never will have the support of the majority of the community. Anyone who has perused the 100’s of pages of Gunns’ Plans for the mill would have to admit that it is just not viable, economically, environmentally and socially. This was clearly stated by the RPDC at the time and that is why Gunns pulled out of the review and the infamous fast track assessment was put in place plus the enactment of the iniquitous Pulp Mill Assessment Act.

    The back room deals and questionable antics of those in state parliament at the time was an absolute disgrace and there is no way that Tasmanian Taxpayers should have to foot the bill for what would surely be a gigantic white elephant.

    Anyone with an ounce of commonsense would realise that there is no way we could compete in a global market with our high cost of wages when other countries like South America and China can grown the trees faster and have much reduced overheads.
    There is no guarantee even that all the jobs would go to Tasmanians. There might be a few lowly paid labouring jobs but the highly qualified staff needed would probably come from overseas

    For goodness sake we don’t even have a direct shipping service to overseas destinations!!

    Why can’t the state government support instead a ramped up hemp industry, renewable energy projects, IT development, niche high profile agricultural products or call centres at least they would have a viable future .

    And do not forget that if the mill were to be built it would have a deleterious effect on current jobs and completely destroy the viability of farming, vineyards, and tourism attractions etc in the Tamar Valley plus destroy the fishing grounds in Bass Strait and severely pollute the air shed of the valley with its inversion layer leading to totally unnecessary health hazards for its residents.

    We will never cease fighting the project so the government may as well give up this crazy idea once and for all.

  19. Robin Halton

    November 19, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Interestingly enough the North could cop a Pulp Mill although I was quite sure that Austraila was out of the question for such a development given the offshore moves over the past 20- 30 years for paper, fibreboard, laminate and the supply of pulpwood to suit those markets within countries with access to suitable resource (local or import), open ended pollution control and cheap labor.

    Well maybe I am wrong and the development of a pulp mill is for real, although I initially found it hard to believe that PUP, Jacqui Lambie and Kevin Morgan are pushing for a Pulp Mill for Burnie!

    If a developer is intrested then Burnie or Hamphire which are far better sites, at least environmentally for a pulp mill and anyone would be a utter fool to bring up the Tamar Valley proposal for all of those reasons that we are already well versed in.

    The Liberals having the additional fire power of Paul Harris would in my estimation go a long way to save the “future” of the forest industry more so than where the myobic TGA has left off and seems to be failing in its delivery of suitable forest reform!

    I believe that it is fair to say the forest industry needs to adjust, we do have plenty of younger native resource within State Forest and ample pulpwood quality eucalypt on both State Forest and on private land awaiting a suitable marketing decision.

    In the case of the PUP Lambie/ Morgan we need to hear more substance in their proposal.
    Most definitely a Pulp Mill either on the old Burnie Site with its port facilites and rail access across the Northern region and a chip mills at both Hampshire and in the Tamar region, does make some sense!

    There is no question that having the influence of Harriss as a key player in the Parliament could see the advancement of foreign investment of capital to set up a Pulp Mill assuming that the global market is geared to come to this part of the world.

    Without trying, we would never know. Harris love him or hate him, I suppose it is fair to say he is the someone with the guts and determination to try.
    Given general support for a pulp mill for the Burnie region the it is open for an investor to look closely at what Tasmania has to offer.

  20. John Hawkins

    November 18, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    David,

    Scruffy revised my post #26.

    More bite!

  21. John Hawkins

    November 18, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    #13 David, Scruffy is getting ready.

    Within a week she will be on Facebook and the cameras have filmed her for a special U Tube clip.

    Her campaign slogan for a spot in the dog house that is the Upper House of the Tasmanian Parliament:

    “If you are Voting for a dog then Vote Scruffy”

    Approval from her PUP has been received and she has agreed that she will not sink her teeth into the Palmers {Huntly and Palmers Dog Biscuits]

    She hopes to give all her admirers “Paws for Thought” and thanks them for their good wishes.

  22. John Hawkins

    November 18, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    #13 David,

    Scruffy is in preperation.

    Within a week she will be on Facebook and the camera crews have filmed her U Tube video.

    Her campaign slogan for the Senior Dog House in the Tasmanian Parliament:

    ” When Voting for a dog, Vote Scruffy”

    She has already received barking approval but in name only from her progeny the PUP Party and is hoping that they will not steal her Palmers. [Huntly and Palmers Biscuits].

    She thanks you David and the many readers of TT for their interest and letters especially at this early stage of her electoral campaign.

  23. pilko

    November 18, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Tony Mulder MLC once again asserted today that the taxpayer buy the mill. Mulder suggested that when the mill inevitably becomes a profitable venture then we sell it!

    Ezy pezy, cookie cutter simple.

    Tony youre a genius mate. Ya wouldnt be takin the piss would ya?

  24. pilko

    November 18, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    #20 I watched a bit of this debate. Predictable.

    Rosemary Armitage honored Bob Mcmahon by basing her rebuff of Dean’s motion on Bob’s (& TAP) campaign & Bobs view on Pulp Mill. A great speech & compelling case based on Bob’s experience in Chile etc.

    Interestingly Rob Valentine based much of his rebuff on the FTV dossier which the group had sent to him.

    Harriss, Hall, Dean, Rattray-Wagner still peddling the Lennon narrative of pulp mill mega project as states saviour. Risks simply dont exist

  25. john Hayward

    November 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    When you see a pollie rhapsodise about a society where any individual can aspire to make a bundle , you can be pretty sure he’s a right-winger talking about himself.

    John Hayward

  26. Cameron

    November 18, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    This simply highlights two things: 1) Harriss has, for at least few years (and probably longer), been manifestly dishonest in maintaining the lie that he is an ‘independent’ member of the Upper House, and 2) that the role of the Upper House itself is in urgent need of review, when clearly partisan hacks like Harriss can undermine it’s true legislative role as a house of independent review.

    But then, acting out of naked self-interest is an essential criterion for membership of the Liberal Party, so Harriss clearly fits right in.

  27. John Hawkins

    November 18, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    How much will Ta Ann pay towards getting their man Harriss into the Lower House?

    Was it Ta Ann’s idea?

    Will Harriss be the Minister for Forests?

    Will he be asked these questions by the Mercury ,Examiner or the ABC?

    If not will he answer them here.

  28. David Obendorf

    November 18, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    [i]Notice of Motion – Legislative Council[/i] today:

    No. 8: Mr Ivan Dean to move: That the Legislative Council reconfirms its support for the development of [b]a Pulp Mill[/b] and notes the robust assessment process undertaken in achieving the permit outcomes for [b]a pulp mill[/b] development at the Long Reach site.

    [my emphasis]

  29. Catherine McNeill

    November 18, 2013 at 9:22 am

    I bet Jackie Petrusma is feeling well shafted!
    Just a few more blue ties to look at.

  30. phill Parsons

    November 18, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Does it matter where misrepresenter Harriss sits. For some of his voters he will be a real green and for some other a true labor man, a chameleon of the hustings. For those who want to know his uncovering of the blue comes as no shock at all.

    I am not sure if you can stand to sit in another place when you are a member of the other Tasmanian House.

    Barnaby Joyce had the courage of his convictions and resigned from the Senate. Hopefully some voters will be harsh judges if Harriss has a bob each way.

  31. The Hag

    November 18, 2013 at 8:27 am

    There is a strong and I think well-founded rumour doing the rounds amongst the ALP insiders who are saying that their old friend Alison Ritchie is going to run in Lyons – wait for it …

    … as a candidate for the Palmer United Party.

    Some people never know when to quit do they?

  32. moo

    November 18, 2013 at 4:47 am

    Once they get a taste of the public teat it is impossible to get rid of them. Just another TasInc freeloader

    o

  33. Greg James

    November 18, 2013 at 3:07 am

    Harris apparently wants his cake… He intends to resign in such a way that the LegCo seat he now holds will not go to a vote at the state election but more expensively later on. This extra cost to be paid by you and I is his insurance policy, in case he loses at the assembly vote.
    The last poll gave the ALP 39 %, the Libs 38 % and the Greens 12% this would seem to indicate a 2:2:1 result at the state election. Thus Harris is about to undertake a very costly waste of money as the incumbents are more than likely going to be returned.
    The Huon election should take place at the same time as the state election or Harris should pay the cost himself.

  34. David Obendorf

    November 18, 2013 at 12:56 am

    [b]ReachTEL[/b] polling conducted on 4 November 2013:

    Question: [i]If a State election were to be held today, which of the following would receive your first preference vote?[/i]

    http://www.reachtel.com.au/blog/the-mercury-tasmanian-state-poll-31october2013

    [b]Statewide[/b] n=2723 Liberal – 49.2%; Labor – 23.2%; Greens – 14.8%; Other – 6.2%; Undecided – 6.6%

    [b]Bass[/b] n=529 Liberal – 52.1%; Labor – 22.6%; Greens – 13.6%; Other – 5.0%; Undecided – 6.6%

    [b]Braddon[/b] n=529 Liberal – 56.2%; Labor – 22.8%; Greens – 9.6%; Other – 7.1%; Undecided – 4.3%

    [b]Denison[/b] n=539 Liberal – 39.1%; Labor – 24.3%; Greens – 18.9%; Other – 7.2%; Undecided – 10.4%

    [b]Franklin[/b] n=588 Liberal – 47.0%; Labor – 23.5%; Greens – 18.3%; Other – 5.3%; Undecided – 5.9%

    [b]Lyons[/b] n=539 Liberal – 52.2%; Labor – 22.8%; Greens – 12.9%; Other – 6.2%; Undecided – 5.9%

    Note: 10% Undecided in Denison.

  35. David Obendorf

    November 17, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Pilko, the tactics of the Parties coming up to March 2014 ill probably see Labor trying to look more like copy-cat Liberals; the Liberals softening to become more forest-friendly and ‘lite-green’ … which leaves the Greens needing to develop their mining policy and explain how all the better educated Tasmanians with improved literacy and numeracy skills will find jobs in the transitioned economy we’re promised.

    Perhaps Tasmania will be the ultimate FI-FO venue for the [i]clean-green-clever[/i] game-changers.

    If these theatrical politicians would just start being authentic people maybe voters might want to vote for them rather than looking for someone else to vote for as a protest.

    John Hawkins… are you out there? When is your dog, ‘Scruffy’ going to be officially launched as an Indi candidate for Lyons?

    Informal voting still looks like a safe option in electorates with a bunch of unelectable candidates.

  36. David Obendorf

    November 17, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    With the REACHTEL polling results for Franklin a few weeks ago, this strategy from Harriss was a no brainer. Tas Greens leader and Franklin MHA Mr Nick McKim will need to be careful because continuing to play sand-pit performances won’t work. As a former advertising man he might already understand this but his performances in the Parliament a goader to the Liberals may back-fire on the voters in Franklin.

    To claim you’d do deal with any major party to form a minority government yet treat one of those Parties and its leader with such ridicule publicly has got to be insane – or just pure theatre.

    Labor and Liberals played that insanity card on the Greens for decades and it back-fired them… the Greens got stronger.

    Time for the Greens to focus on their performance and policies especially on their promised transition policies for a new Tasmanian society and economy… and 16 years of a corrupt, self-servicing Labor administration in Tasmania is long enough.

  37. pilko

    November 17, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    I think the Libs have preselected Bertrand Cadart & Martyn Evans in Lyons (over Hirst). I could be wrong. Should hear soon.

  38. col

    November 17, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Great tactics,

    O’Byrne will tonight be discussing a leadership challenge. To not do so would be to risk missing out all together,

    3 Libs
    1 Green
    1 Lab

    My prediction, the premier heading in to the election will be the only Lab elected at the election.

  39. bob Palendrome

    November 17, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Good for you Paul.

    A local of the Franklin electorate that will act in the best interests of the people.

    Best of luck and I hope you win a seat.

    Bob

  40. Anne Cadwallader

    November 17, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Ta Ann not happy with owning the Upper House?

    Why doesn’t he run in Sarawak?

  41. Pilko

    November 17, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    I had a few debates with the Give it Back people on Facebook & warned them that the Libs would use them up & spit them out. As someone else pointed out yesterday, the libs have milked Give it Back as a useful right wing noise group, then discarded them in favour of the powerbrokers who now get the seats in anticipation of big win.

    Cant wait to see explosion from the anti-green groups if the Libs soften their forest deal stance. PUP will be the winner increasing its chunk of the anti-green vote.

  42. Mark

    November 17, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Good to see Harriss has finally taken one step out of the closet but a shame to see the media still refer to this clown as an independent. He claimed independence as he rallied his Upper House troops against the IGA but no media questioned his alliances in this or any election over those 18 years. He always was the leader of the Opposition in the Upper House but too gutless to admit it publicly. How close has he been to Eric Abetz’s faction? The silence speaks volumes but they do seem to share a rather bizarre set of “Christian” fundamentals.

  43. Philip Cocker

    November 17, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    The free enterprise system that Mr Harris likes-is that the one that saw the taxpayer prop up his favourite industry?

  44. Karl Stevens

    November 17, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Agree with Harriss that the TFA was ‘sloppy’. Surely Forestry Tasmania could have applied for FSC certification without the convoluted gravy train that wasted millions of tax dollars paying Gunns debts and even funding the clearing of the Longreach proposed mill site? I’m seeing the March election as more an exorcism than an ordinary election. Many people in Tasmania have been deeply wounded by the current government and it’s divisive policies targeting innocent Tasmanians (IMHO). Why was Giddings so cruel to the Tamar Valley while using tax-exempt charities to do expensive consulting work for the logging industry? I hope Harriss gives Giddings and O’Byrne a hiding, not because I like the Liberals but because we the people’s last recourse is to use one bunch to punish the other bunch. Democracy doesn’t exist in Tasmania any more there is only revenge in my view.

  45. john Hayward

    November 17, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Where else would a promoter of a highly controversial foreign extraction company he considered a gun political candidate?

    To date, the investment he has encouraged has largely been the involuntary sort from the taxpayers to his corporate friends.

    John Hayward

  46. The Hag

    November 17, 2013 at 9:07 am

    SCOOP: From Dimity Hirst’s Facebook Page:

    https://www.facebook.com/dimity.hirst/posts/10152016691339049

    It seems the Libs have rejected Give It Back campaigner Michael Hirst’s bid to become an MP:

    Well what a birthday present for Michael Hirst … The liberal members all 30 of them … Decided in their wisdom that putting in 2 people for Lyons that had been as quiet as church mice would be better than Mike. He had put his heart and soul into sticking up for us with Give it Back …

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Give-it-back-Our-forest-industry/163281670463340

    Proven beyond doubt that he would do anything to make our state a better place for our children, and stopping the anti everything green groups from destroying our way if life. We are bitterly disappointed and over the next days will decide what plan to run next. To all our supporters …. Thankyou … We will decide what path to take shortly ….

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