I am absolutely horrified seeing all this smoke covering everything and, without a doubt, causing sickness and possible death.
Why do this? Is this done in the tourist areas where big money comes in? I highly doubt it.
Too many people believe that Australia is a healthy place to visit. They will be shocked to know that away from the tourist areas there are people being doused in smoke. Just incredibly ignorant and down-right stupid!
Treat your residents in the same or better way than you treat occasional visitors.Posted by Shirley Brandie on 25/05/15 at 10:57 AM
Yes Clive and who can forget the fires in March 2010. The smoke was blamed on fires in Victoria and we were not told that it was mostly coming from the Dublin Plains area near Lake Rowallan.
There were 5 fires with permits on the 16th of March 2010 in the Dublin Plains, Arm River area. Of course these were ignored and the smoke was supposedly coming from Victoria, even though satellite images showed that Victorian smoke was being blown east out of Bass strait.
Just another case of being lied to when it is convenient.Posted by Pete Godfrey on 25/05/15 at 12:08 PM
In essence - State sanctioned violence.Posted by Luca Vanzino on 25/05/15 at 02:29 PM
#1 Why do this? Is this done in the tourist areas where big money comes in? I highly doubt it….Yes Wineglass Bay apparently to save the tourists from incineration….The mind boggles..forget tourism in Tasmania..and go and have a look at the Dial Ranges near Penguin…huge patches of incinerated trees..it almost looks like an arsonist has gone through there..Posted by Richard Browne on 25/05/15 at 07:34 PM
Thank you for all these years of serious work in this important, essential vital area of information sharing.
Yes, like you I can read the clouds and morning and evening colors and the haze that comes in year after year - season after season.
How much area is burned in Victoria again every year?
How much area is burned in Tasmania every year again? How much does it cost the public?
How about calling these practices clearly wasted opportunities and wasted resources?
What I do know is that our own solar hot water tubes respond very accurately to soot + water vapor in the atmosphere.
A sudden drop off in performance - no matter how “silver tongued” the BOM weather forecasters deal with the controversial issue for years now.
Time will judge what comes from all this!Posted by Frank again on 25/05/15 at 08:35 PM
Clive its about time you got used to Tasmanian traditional outdoors practices to reduce the effects of wild fires.
Oh I miss the firebrand and the smell of burning gum leaves.
I was talking to a Senior Tech Forester from Huon a few days ago, one of the best years on record for regeneration burns and plenty of fuel reduction jobs out of the way
Of cause I am not telling you why!
Burn, burn and burn hard thats my motto.Posted by Robin Charles Halton on 25/05/15 at 10:20 PM
It appears there is a:
Tourism-Forestry Protocol Agreement. A code of mutual understanding.
Wine Industry- Forestry Protocol Agreement.
How about a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the burners and the hundred or so thousand people in this state acknowledged by our DHHS to be made ill by smoke?
It is time our Minister for Health, our Asthma Foundation and our Heart Foundation joined forces to draw up a MOU with the burners and put it out for public comment.
We are chasing our tail with a health budget going up in smoke whilst these harmful smoke practices continue.Posted by Clive Stott on 25/05/15 at 10:35 PM
And what are the costs of “burn, burn, burn hard…”?
Health costs? Any costings out there? If not why not ?
Surely with all the knowledge re the adverse health effects of PM 2.5 and smaller particles, and the patterns of smoke travel in Tas, then this present approach to burning in the State is not without the risk of future litigation. Denial is not a recommended way of handling such risky practices, and there needs to be a holistic approach to saving life and essential infrastructure with fuel reduction burns and high intensity burns.
What are the full economic costings (roads, haulage, building burning facilities) of burning wood waste from the forest floor (genuine waste), ensuring that no air pollution escapes from the chimney? What are the costs of burning wood cleanly so there is no associated air pollution? How does that relate to the costs of solar, wind and hydro energy ie our present cleaner “renewable energies”?
The atmosphere does not distinguish between fossil fuel CO2 and biogenic CO2 production from burning wood (which it does greatly) and surely the renewable energy sources need to have minimal CO2 production?
http://www.ntn.org.au/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/NTN-waste-to-energy-incineration-report-2013.1.pdfPosted by Alison Bleaney on 26/05/15 at 09:02 AM
And in #7 I should have included the Cancer Council.Posted by Clive Stott on 26/05/15 at 09:53 AM
Thank you Alison Bleaney #8,
as you already know by now, I had a look at the above link of the 2013 NTN report.
This is what I can strongly agree with:
“The National Toxics Network calls on policy makers and government authorities to take
a broader view of the impacts of poor choices in resource recovery. This should not just
be a discussion for the ‘energy sector’ or the ‘waste management sector’. Resource
recovery affects all Australians and we must strive for the best environmental, social
and economic outcomes[.](Full Stop it should be) -
The rest is a mix of all sorts… more fear, selective, ignorant, etc. etc.
May I suggest two sources:
Time will be judgePosted by Frank Strie (Terra-Preta Developments) on 26/05/15 at 01:23 PM
In my opinion, it’s morally unacceptable to tell a bloke who has COPD that he’d better get used to the smoke. There are many in this state who suffer whenever exposed to smoke.
Regrettably, some die from it. Smoke is also a threat to those who are nominally healthy. Slash and burn is a practice that began in Neolithic times and unfortunately persists to this day, even (in a modified form) in our own state of Tasmania…
Miranda Gibson spent more that 250 days in her Observer Tree, protecting that area of forest from the destructive practices that characterise forestry in Tasmania. Immediately below her, I observed and photographed whole sections of bush knocked down. Between one loop in the climbing road, some dozen or some gums were removed while all that remained (including celery top) was knocked over. I agree with what Miranda wrote:
The so-called “regeneration burns” are a tool used to engineer the forest, killing off the rainforest species that naturally form the understory of Tasmania’s amazing wet eucalypt forests, and to encourage the proliferation of eucalypts which are the trees sought for future logging. The clearfall and burn method is destroying the natural forest ecology to turn it into a loggers wonderland, at the same time that it is dumping massive amounts of carbon into the atmosphere and polluting people’s lungs with particulates that are injurious to health.
Burn, burn and burn hard! - A handy guide to the culture of fire:
arson, arsonist, bio-mass, burn, burner, burn-back, burn-down, burn-hard, burn-off, burn-out, burn-up, bushfire, controlled burn, ecological burn, fire, firebrand, flame, fuel reduction burn, high intensity burn, incendiary, incendiarism, incendiarist, low intensity burn, planned burn, pyromania, pyromaniac, pyromaniacal, regeneration burn, residue burn, rubbish burn, spark and wildfire
From the Giant velvet worm of the north east, to those with no escape from pernicious backyard, farm and forestry smoke, from the understoreys sacrificed for the subsidised employment scheme called forestry to the soils that are cooked, killed and make their way into our waterways, I call for strengthening of our Forest Practices Code and of our Environmental legislation. We don’t need spurious ‘public safety’ burns, we need clean air and common sense.Posted by Garry Stannus on 30/05/15 at 01:55 PM
#11: Garry well written, and something that will hopefully jolt Robin Halton and the other misinformed ... burners over time.Posted by Clive Stott on 30/05/15 at 05:24 PM