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Guardian Brit: Israel faces outcry over Gaza killings during Jerusalem embassy protests
Guardian15.05.18 2:07 pm
Re #12 and #13 ... Your failure to address the Jewishnews article is noted, as is your response to the double standard that Turnbull appears to have applied.
With regard to your dismissal of Ali Kazak as a valid commentator, perhaps Uri Avnery will prove to be acceptable, seeing as he has impeccable Irgun credentials.
Have a crack at this: http://johnmenadue.com/uri-avnery-the-day-of-shame/
“Palestine was at the time under British occupation (called “mandate”). In May 1939, the British enacted a law limiting the right of Jews to acquire land. I received an order to be at a certain time at a certain spot near the sea shore of Tel Aviv in order to take part in a demonstration. I was to wait for a trumpet signal.
“The trumpet sounded and we started the march down Allenby Road, then the city’s main street. Near the main synagogue somebody climbed the stairs and delivered an inflammatory speech. Then we marched on to the end of the street, where the offices of the British administration were located. There we sang the national anthem, “Hatikvah”, while some adult members set fire to the offices.
“Suddenly several lorries carrying British soldiers screeched to a halt, and a salvo of shots rang out. The British fired over our heads, and we ran away.
“Remembering this event 79 years later, it crossed my mind that the boys of Gaza are greater heroes then we were then. They did not run away. They stood their ground for hours while the death toll rose to 61, and the number of those wounded by live ammunition to some 1,500 in addition to 1,000 affected by gas”
Taken from The Hill link - a continuation of #12: “Many in the media are complicit in these deaths because their one-sided reporting encourages Hamas to send innocent women and children to the front line”
Apart from the Tasmanian Times, where everyone is free to express their views.
Regarding that article to which Lynne provided a link in her #13: I reject the attempt to characterise these 60 deaths and 1300 wounded as accidents…
The cruel reality is that every time Israel accidentally kills a Gaza civilian, Israel loses. And every time Israel kills a Gaza civilian, Hamas wins. Israelis grieve every civilian death its army accidentally causes. Hamas benefits from every death Israel accidentally causes. That is why it encourages its women and children to become martyrs.
It seems to me that to speak only of accidental deaths in that article, is plainly a form of Newspeak. In what way can these deaths resulting from the use of live ammunition be called accidents. I don’t believe they were accidents. If you shoot people and they die, such deaths are not accidents. Call it what you will, but not ‘accidents’.
#11—Continued .. another perspective ...
I’m glad you and Peter believe you’re sorting me out. At least it will clarify where our little triune stands.
John Menadue posted this last year [not authored to make it clear] http://johnmenadue.com/ali-kazak-why-should-israels-lobby-have-different-standards/
*Noting Ali Kazak is a former Palestinian ambassador to Australia ...
“Talking of different standards, with a Jewish mother”...
It just goes to show what example Malcolm Turnbull was set by his father. He grew up to still respect and love her and ne’ere a bad word said. Lucky Lucy.
If he decides to take up his “right of return” then bully for him, and I doubt his citizen business will affect him, or you for that matter.
Peter, thank you for taking the time to place #9 in context. While contemplating and considering some of her other efforts I came across this article which goes some distance to explain the shameless adherence of our government to Israeli wishes. The detail within does rather dampen Albanese’s odds of instituting any change. He will be taken aside and smartened up by Shorten and a few others in short order.
Excerpts include this: “Now in its 20th year, PTS is the premier political conference for young Jewish leaders in Australia. Leading our largest ever delegation to the nation’s capital, AUJS provided 55 university students with the exceptional opportunity to meet politicians, lobbyists, diplomats and journalists from all parts of the political spectrum. No other student organisation in the country provides this level of access to leading decision-makers.
“Prime Minister Turnbull, Bill Shorten, Julie Bishop, Mark Dreyfus, Tony Abbott, Josh Frydenberg, Chris Bowen, Marise Payne and Richard Di Natale were just some of the 32 speakers who participated. With seven cabinet ministers and seven shadow ministers in attendance, PTS 2018 boasted the strongest representation of front-benchers in the seminar’s history.”
.. and this: “First, PTS inspires our students to become politically active and engaged. In fact, tens of AUJS leaders have started their political journeys while on PTS and have gone on to work as staffers for Members of Parliament and senators.”
Now if we swapped the identity of the person making those statements about inserting their agents of influence into the machinery of government to, say, Chinese, (our largest trading partner and the identity of a far larger portion of the Australian population than those being discussed) there would be hell to pay, especially if our government was supporting a massacre of unarmed protesters in China. Why is this the case? There has been hell to pay about a lot less.
John Menadue posted this last year http://johnmenadue.com/ali-kazak-why-should-israels-lobby-have-different-standards/
It makes very interesting reading in light of our governments recent disgusting act at the UN to Israel’s benefit.
Talking of different standards, with a Jewish mother, doesn’t Malcolm Turnbull have “right of return” to Israel, and once there a right to citizenship? Section 44, anyone?
In relation to the murder of 60 Palestinian demonstrators by Israeli police and/or military, in addition to the maiming of hundreds of others, and the deliberate attempt to kill and injure as many as possible, Lynne Newington makes a very telling, chilling and horrific comment, saying that Palestinian authorities – ‘president Mahmoud Abbas… sending women and children to the front line’ – were responsible for the murders, rather than those who did the killing.
As a Guardian journalist wrote about these murders, ‘Over 70 years ago, George Orwell wrote that modern political language “is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable”’.
Newington certainly reminds us of support within sectors of society for governments of all types around the world to forcibly prevent public demonstrations against those who hold the reins of power. When murder and mutilation of civilians has become an acceptable state response to dissent and demonstration, and when the leaders of dissent and demonstration are blamed for the casualties rather than those who ordered the use of lethal force, democracy is dead, human rights have been extinguished and the rule of law eliminated.
Newington equates demonstration by civilians in Gaza against the US decision to establish its embassy in Jerusalem as an act of war, with ‘women and children at the front line’, using language which suggests justification for their murder by Israel, and thereby implying that those who did the killing should not be held accountable.
However, there is no doubt at all that the demonization of dissent by governments and regimes of all types – including modern so-called democracies – exacerbates problems rather than resolving them. The harsher the state response, the more intractable the problem and the more socially divisive and destructive the consequences.
What would have been the result, for example, if the governments of Tasmania between 2005 and 2012 had used armed force to disperse demonstrations against the pulp mill in Launceston and Hobart?
Or if the Turnbull government had used force against the 100,000 unionists who marched in Melbourne recently? The Newington view of things encapsulates some aspects of the rot at the heart of what many Australian politicians like to call ‘Australian values’ of a fair go and egalitarianism.
The reality is that ‘Australian values’ are not aligned with ‘human rights’. A fair go and egalitarianism are euphemisms for misleading propaganda at best, but downright lies by any other standards.
Turnbull and Trump were the only two national leaders who sought to block a UN investigation into the Palestinian murders, which tells its own story about Australia’s ongoing disdain for human rights.
However, Anthony Albanese’s condemnation of Turnbull and Julie Bishop for failing to support an investigation into Israel’s use of lethal force against civilians, provides a glimmer of hope that the current cold-blooded justifications for murder of ‘others’, defined by racial and cultural parameters as willing automaton cannon fodder, can be successfully challenged.
The problem for Newington is that her argument is meaningless, because Palestinian demonstrators are not robotic marionettes ‘on the front line’, drugged by the regime to throw themselves against Israeli bullets. They are ordinary people, men, women and children, just like the demonstrators marching in the streets of Launceston a decade ago against the pulp mill, but with much more at stake.
Mmmm, Moshe Dayan ...
Recently I had the privilege of attending the Bar Mitzvah of young boy. It brought to mind the significance of the presence of above-mentioned General Moshe Dayan on behalf of the men who had lost their lives during the 6 day war.
In part ...
“You are blessed with many things”.
You are blessed because you have a country, a nation and an army devoted to your welfare and safety.
You are blessed because you are the sons of true heroes, men who gave their lives not only that you should become Bar Mitzvah, but also we should be here to observe it with you.
Their memory is yours to treasure, ours to revere.
May the day not be distant when all will be able to look forward to becoming the men your fathers were .. in peace, in security, in the glory of the State of Israel among the nations of the earth”.
#4 re #3 ... this: “with president Mahmoud Abbas (Rome’s Angel of Peace) sending women and children to the front line ... “
“Where did this come from? Surely not the charming folks instructing the marksmen to open fire, I hope”....
You mean you never saw them? They were the first images now lost somewhere amongst the media frenzy and commented on it when first viewed below.
1.Shocking - women and children are being used upfront as tools whilst the real culprit Mahmoud Abbas is tucked away in safety.
His confidence is validated due to the fact he has the support of the Holy See (referred to as the Angel of Peace by Pope Francis) who for their own political agenda, now fearful for their loss of clout with their embassy safely ensconced in East Jerusalem.
Posted by Lynne Newington on 15/05/18 at 10:28 AM
If I come across them I’ll post it.
Re #5 and #6 ... Garry, at this point in the slow moving (70 years now) attempt at a genocide, does it really matter which number got brassed up and managed to survive? Only a Zionist pedant would argue the point.
If one non-combatant or unarmed person got shot it is one too many, especially when it is by brave, courageous, self sacrificing marksmen safely ensconced in comfy snipers’ nests at least 100 metres away from any youths with slingshots .. (sarcasm, and dripping with it.)
Our presstitute media insist on describing this murderous response to justifiable protest as a “clash” while deliberately inserting the thought in their audiences’ minds that there is some sort of equivalence between the capabilities of the two sides. Chance would be a fine thing if there ever was.
Correction: I think my ‘1,800 gunshot casualties’ statement might be incorrect. Perhaps (I’d appreciate some help on this) the reported wounded figure was in fact 1,300, and the fatalities were 50-60 or so.
I’m not sure, and think may be my arithmetic/typing was dodgy. My apologies for whatever goof-up I may have made, and I offer them particularly to the people of Palestine who want their homeland back.
Blame the deaths on Mahmoud Abbas?
But really, something like 1,800 gunshot casualties? On an unarmed group of people? No! Using live ammunition on unarmed people goes ‘beyond the Pale’.
Mosse Dayan said it (in an interview) years ago … ‘we took the land from its people’. Consider Ariel Sharon .. and his (at best) Pontius Pilate role in the Sabra and Shatilah massacres, and at worst his active connivance.
The Palestinian people have been dispossessed. Their land has been taken from them and the settlements continue to extend.
re #3 ... this: “with president Mahmoud Abbas (Rome’s Angel of Peace) sending women and children to the front line ... “
Where did this come from? Surely not the charming folks instructing the marksmen to open fire, I hope?
Israel’s ‘Sharpeville’: a massacre of Palestinians ... with president Mahmoud Abbas (Rome’s Angel of Peace) sending women and children to the front line ...
Well might you ask, Garry.
And who is agitating flat out to start WW3?
Israel’s ‘Sharpeville’: a massacre of Palestinians. Confirmed dead more than 60, with over 1,000 wounded by rifle fire and others injured by gas. Israel is an ‘illegitimate’ state, taken by force of arms against the wishes of its Palestinian inhabitants and now bolstered by the USA which seems beholden to the Zionists in its Jewish community.
The curse of the UN is that the major powers have the veto power in the Security Council. Look how these major powers have systematically used the veto to sidestep just causes and to protect their own interests! The League of Nations failed, and now we see how in the same way the United Nations has failed/is failing us. What’s next? A Federation of the World?
Will it come like the others, only after a World War (WWIII)?
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