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Welcome to simileville.

A dog picked up from the pound attacks your child injuring it. Heck even one you owned from day one.

Question; Do you pat it on the head and say “bad boy/girl”? or do you put it down like the cur it is?

Yes, refugees are human beings.  That means that they can think, exercise judgement and know what is right from wrong.  Someone, please tell me why refugees deserve our protection if they spurn our genorosity?

As for “vigilante mentatlity” - well that’s generated as a result of people seeing that bad things are being done and no one is addressing them. The fix for that is easy though political dynamite in many instances.

It’s great we have hard-wired Christian conservatives like Morrison representing Australian compassion. They don’t waste valuable time thinking.

His colleague, Abetz, made a good point this morning that we should be ensuring that any immigrants share our values before they are admitted.  Who knows, they may have Nazis in their cultural bloodlines.

John Hayward

Mandatory behaviour protocols should be in place for everyone not just refugees. Morrison, Howard and Abbott,IMO are more responsible for racism than anyone else in public office, although I heard Erich Abetz making a similar comment on the ABC radio this morning. I hope someone notifies me if any of these idiots move to my neighbourhood. People from ALL races commit crimes, so why do they make such a big deal when it is someone from overseas. If they break the law deport them!!!

This reveals what an unprincipled and cruelhuman being Morrison is. And the timing: this unbelievable nastiness to snatch back the dregs vote. And fulyl supported by Abbott. At least two Lib backbenchers spoke out against this, and all honour to them..

Some Pommie tourists have a propensity to get pissed and pick fights. Reckon we need fair warning there too. Maybe they could wear badges - yellow ones shaped like stars might do the job.

I thought Morrison’s comments were moronic enough but then I read Stephan at #1 so I guess Morrison is clever enough to know he has an engaged audience.

Two issues. First the ALP are lucky it is a 2 horse race when the opposition comprises creatures such as Morrison demonising asylum seekers and Colbeck backing the Magris. In Morrison’s defence at least he is pandering to the bigot vote. Colbeck is foolishly arguing against the single most successful public uprising in Tasmania since no dams.

Second; the extent of bigotry espoused and then sought to be spun about asylum seekers should be exposed as the gutter politics that it is. Of course out of any group, someone, somewhere, somehow will commit a crime. They could be Collingwood supporters, single mothers, Irish migrants, any group you choose. The question is, does the fact the alleged perpetrator can be described as belonging to such a group have any bearing on the behaviour of other persons who may also be so described. A moment’s thought and you will realise the proposition that it could is nonsense.

In my brief and failed foray into politics I was constantly surprised by the number of people who would telephone or email me saying things along the lines of, “you seem sensible enough but you just don’t understand about those illegal immigrants etc…”

Whether it be out of ignorance, fear, bigotry or envy there is a deep lode of resentment amounting almost to hatred towards asylum seekers in the community that politicans should be very careful in attempting to mine for votes. All it can lead to is division, alienation and probably sectarian violence.

I say send them here. The more the better. Get our state economy providing services at the Commonwealth expense.

#6“ I say send them here. The more the better. Get our state economy providing services at the Commonwealth expense. “

That’s right, turn Tas into the same cultural basket case as these people come from and all countries under the control of religious ideology. I’d like someone to name one islamic country and for that matter how many christian controlled countries, not under the influence of sectarian violence, large amounts of corruption, elitism, crime, suppression and discrimination. There’s not one and many supposed secular countries including Aus, are controlled by religion or some other crazed delusional ideology and it’s a associated elitism, criminality, violence, abuse and denial of reality.

This is the 21st century, not the 7th, 12th, 19th or 20th.  Which is what these economic and cultural invaders represent and follow. How’s it worked so far over he last few thousand years and are we and the rest of life in a batter position because of the 2000 odd years of religious war, genocidal invasion and never ending warmongering between all who follow the same mystical war god, yahweh.

I fail to see the logic in filling Tas or Aus with people who don’t fit, can provide no decent input or contribution except for dissent into our societies and refuse to give up their bizarre religious and cultural controls. The same religion and culture that has supposedly caused hem to flee, no logic no rationale, no sense can be gleaned form ideologists.

This country is already ecologically over populated with humans, adding more destructive fools will only cut down our future and hasten the demise of the environment.

We are talking about frightened, vulnerable people, including small children, who have to choose between torture and death on the one hand, and the possibility of survival in a bewilderingly foreign environment on the other.

The point that must not be missed is that they are already here.  They have been here since birth and they have as much right as us to be here.  By “here” I mean on this planet.  Now, could someone please explain to me why we should treat only some of our fellow humans with compassion, or why compassion should be limited by arbitrarily drawn lines on a map?

I agree that there are too many humans for our lifestyle to be sustainable, but if that means we have to choose between changing that lifestyle and facilitating the deaths of other humans, then we should be clear about the principles upon which we base that choice.

The more Tony Abbott remains silent and lets the rest make their case the more one is convinced he’s the best they’ve got.

My wife picked me up from Hobart airport last evening. She delighted in relating to me seeing a group of sub-contintental taxi-drivers enjoying an impromptu, informal game of cricket on a patch of grass at the airport. Where was the AFP to haul them off for identity and character checks? Bound to have been a Sri Lankan criminal amongst that lot.

Post #5 - Johno

Careful how you think of that one mate.  My grandfather wore one of those.  The Jews weren’t refugees.  Many of them had actually lived in the country for multi-generations.  Sure, they were refugees “once” but then each and every one of us is descended from the survivors of countless battles, wars and insurrections.

The cricket game (post 10) is a heartening story and for mine the flipside of the ugly things that can be perpetrated by some refugees.  I want people to be happy and safe but I am very cynical about the do gooders, the media and some of the refugees who demonstrate nothing more than contempt for the country that gave them refuge.

#8 Tim, in what way would you have alter our lifestyle to accommodate more and more humans, whilst the rest of life dies out. Ideological humans approach to life is fatalistic, how do you propose to alleviate the growing problems with over population, deforestation, soil depletion and chemical saturation. As it is, ideological humans refuse to change any aspect of their life styles and will leave it to the supposed others to take the first step and then they may follow, if it doesn’t upset their ego’s, ideological fantasies and chemical addictions,.

The economic and cultural invaders will be the last to change a thing , especially their elitism and denial of reality. Already they are pushing their demands onto secular Aussies, as do all other primitive minded religious. Everyone forgets the majority coming here are men, who then bring their women, kids and extended families via the family reunion debacle. This means for everyone coming on a boat, or flying, probably 5- 10 others follow them, Or they go back using our welfare money to get a bride and import her and then her family.

If you are sane evolving human, there is only one choice, no more humans and a depletion of current human populations to a sustainable level for all life and not just one destructive and deranged life form, ideological humanity. Send them all back and take care of our country and environment first, stuff the PC crap which always brings disaster further down the line for all.

I sent this note to Eric Abetz yesterday (and something similar to Morrison):

“Re your comments today about communities being informed as to the whereabouts of asylum seekers who have been allowed out into the community. I have never really appreciated until today just how low you are prepared to go to win the approval of the hate-monger vote. How can you live with yourself? You are a disgrace to politics, and a disgrace to Australia.”

I dread to think what is to become of Australia if voters in September, yet again, elect a party that spawned a leader who, today, is enjoying all the privileges of a prime ministerial pension rather than having to try, before a court, to prove himself not guilty of child abuse, human-rights violations and war crimes.

Has there been some verballing here?

Morrison reputed to have said:

“that such a review must detail a “requirement” to notify police and neighbouring residents about people on bridging visas or community detention in their area and the establishment of “behaviour protocols ... with clear negative sanctions for breaches of such protocols”.

Compare that to what was said:

MORRISON:
Well I think especially say in the case of what we saw with Macquarie University that certainly the residents of that same facility should be aware of something of that nature happening in the place where they live.

SPEERS:
  Where someone’s charged with an offence?

MORRISON:
  No, no what I’m talking about is if that facility is taking on asylum seekers on bridging visas into that residential complex then I think there’s a simple courtesy that needs to be provided to other people, that they simply know that that’s taking place.

From Bolt “Morrison is saying that if boat people are moved into a student dorm, then other students should be told about the strangers in their midst as a courtesy. Same deal with the residents of the old people’s home in Adelaide who found lots of young Sri Lankan men suddenly living with them.”

The real issue here is the authoritarian and anti-freedom of speech actions of Greens Hanson-Young who is filing official complaints to ACMA over comments made by radio announcers on asylum seekers.  Only those that had comments contrary to hers.

Why do the Greens hate free speech so much?  Why are they so intolerant of people with different views to them?

#13, Bob Hawkins.  Eric conceded that being a refugee could “not necessarily” be equated with pedophilia.

He didn’t mention where his Uncle Otto sat in the moral rankings.

John Hayward

As noted by me on Tas Times Erich Abetz when a Minister of the Crown sent two of his minders to my front door to tell me that it would be “in my best interests to lay off the Senator”.

I told them that such behaviour was unbecoming of a Minister of the Crown and sent them packing.

He tells those that ask about the incident that he sent a friend from the village dear Bob Loone to ask in a nice way.

This is untrue.

As a result of this behaviour I took him to the High Court acting as the Court of Disputed Returns over his right as a dual national to sit in the Parliament.

He renounced his German Citizenship in March 2010 and he had to pay his own costs.

My article regarding his Tax affairs over Channel Highway land deals as per my two year advertisment on this site has had no result.

The article is worthy of perusal click on the face of Abetz.: http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/article/abetz-and-channel-highway-land-deals

My experience of this man has been most unpleasant by virtue of both his comments and actions.

#14 what verballing? Morrison wants official scare campaigners to go around saying ‘CAUTION: REFUGEE NEXT DOOR!’ to every neighbourhood where people who are legally in Australia as asylum seekers are housed temporarily.

Presumably the next step is they should wear orange jumpsuits and be hooded from dusk to dawn…‘behaviour protocols’.

So Boohoo (#17)  You’d agree then that the ones that demand signs that say :“CAUTION: PAEDOPHILE NEXT DOOR” are wrong too?  :)

18…You are really showing your ignorance with your last comment…Paedophiles have committed some of the worst crimes imaginable, whereas asylum seekers have committed none.

What have we done to deserve these repellant parliamentarians ? I heard a Qld person refer to asylum seekers as human refuse on the ABC news.
The ALP lurch to the right must share some of the blame… Harry

19 - TV

You’re missing the point!

And Crime is what is defined by society and the law makers within it.  Not a splinter group that makes a lot of noise.  GENUINE refugees are breaking no laws.

Labelling people is marginalisation and is wrong.

Yes Paedophillia is a crime.  It’s also a condition. - get YOUR facts together too please.

More of the same from neo-liberal fascists ruled by the dollar.
What would a pampered, white mid-high class, stuffed shirt plutocrat know about multi-cultural social/community issues.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Your going to get what you deserve.
Head like a hole, black as your soul.
I’d rather die than give you control.

Careful whitey, the third world is rising…..

If you need any further proof that Sarah Hanson Young and the Greens are engaged in peddling inaccuracies, then here it is.

Hadley yesterday demanded an apology from Ms Hanson-Young, who refused to provide it.

“The person who needs to apologise is Ray Hadley,” she said. “People are responding to his comments on radio even just this morning, saying that the only good refugee is a dead one.”

A spokesperson for Ms Hanson-Young later said the comment about dead refugees was not said on air, but was emailed to the senator’s office.

He was not able to provide detail on how Ms Hanson-Young had linked the email to Hadley’s show.

– See more at: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/greens-senator-sarah-hanson-young-wont-say-sorry-to-ray-hadley/story-e6freuy9-1226588742137#sthash.e1LiegDN.dpuf

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Editor’s note: minor edit for legal

Sarah Hanson Young should apologise or resign!

I have never met a refugee that I have been concerned or afraid to walk past in the street.  The same cannot be said about some of the bogan white trash we have out there.

When you have a political system like we have in Australia that is based on initiating and fomenting conflict and division, then human lives quickly become political capital to be squandered in the rush for wealth and power.

Our society will not get better until we change the political system.

I have said on a number of threads over the years that I do not like Abetz.  But it appears he also has been verballed on this matter.

From AAP: “THE federal government has accused senior Liberal senator Eric Abetz of comparing asylum seekers with pedophiles.”

“Racist,” screamed the Greens’ child Senator, Sarah Hanson-Young: “Isn’t this simply a new disgusting low in base level politics?”

Immigration Minister Brendan O’Connor agreed: “It doesn’t get any lower than that when (Abetz) compared them with paedophiles and sex offenders and suggesting there should be the same type of register.”

In fact, the transcript of Abetz’s press conference shows the link with pedophiles was made by a journalist – and rejected by Abetz:

Journalist: The Government doesn’t inform the community when paedophiles are released from prison (inaudible) so why should they-

Abetz: Well, there is a register in relation to those sex offenders and the community has spoken in relation to that, but they do want a register and communities do want to be notified, and if I might say, you know, I wouldn’t put the two in the same category necessarily.”

Why no similar outrage on the intolerant opportunist Hanson Young?