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TA$$SAL! Stop trashing Brand Tasmania ...
Wilhelmina Rea, vice president of Marine Protection Tas18.06.17 4:40 am21 comments
What it is all about, HERE
• ABC: Float Mo: anti-salmon farming protesters take to Hobart’s streets and water
• Guardian: ‘Tassal’s pulp mill moment’: the battle over Tasmania’s $30m salmon farm
No matter the ‘we aren’t against salmon(fish) farming- just this (these) particular projects’
there’s a bit of forked tongue because some at least amongst the protestors are against all salmon(fish) farming.
And once they get the salty taste of a small win they will soon push on to the bigger targets.
Forestry all over again.
Nor should land agriculture believe it’s in a safe zone.
And, of course, it may be Jim Playstead sees another (last) opportunity to ‘break into’
It takes two to tango. Tassal is allowed to trash Brand Tasmania - for what that’s worth after Forestry Tasmania have done their bit - because our government willingly allows them to do it.
The line drawn north of Okehampton Bay to legitimise Tassal’s new cesspit in an unsuitable location is a good example.
#1. My personal and very active fight for the past 9+ years TGC has been about Frances Bender, (stupidly referred to as an “Environmental Warrior”) and the Huon Aquaculture Company discharging their high nutrient sewerage, fish shit, into the Russell River in Lonnavale every day of the year - because they can. And because the EPA and the HVC frankly don’t give a stuff – all too hard, all too insignificant in their view.
I was one of the 1000+ folk who today stood in silent protest. We were not all fishers or environmentalists as the ABC 7pm news reported. I observed decent normal folk who have enough intelligence to know that industrialised fish farming in Oakhampton Bay will be an irreversible disaster and “we” simply cannot allow it to happen. I did not observe the “traditional” dreadlock hairy armpit greenie (with respect) that in the past we have seen chained to a dozer. Today we saw a civilised group of informed people who I believe really care for Brand Tasmania, our magnificent waterways and our future generations. Wilhelmina Rea and her team, and Laura Kelly are to be congratulated on a great job in bringing together a real show of people power today.
I will be the first to respond to your ill-informed comment Trevor - I am NOT against salmon farming. I, and IMV there are 100’s, if not 1000’s more who will agree with me - it is about doing the right thing by the environment, considering the many others in our community who enjoy and utilise these pristine waters, and of course our much needed tourists. It is not about shutting down the Aquaculture industry. It is not about being Green. It is not about self-interest. It is not about jobs.
It is about being intelligent. It is about thinking about what is right and what is wrong. It is about standing up and having a voice. It is not about trying to draw any parallels to the Forestry wars.
It is about wanting our government and our leaders to stand up against the uncontrolled greed of both Tassal and the Huon Aquaculture Company as they blindly move forward and destroy anything in their path.
I suspect TGC you chose to stay at home and finger a few keys on your keyboard rather than get out and see for yourself the real concern of those who made an effort to turn up today.
And what was with the DPIPWE coloured advertisement in today’s Mercury lamely attempting to show a small yellow blip against a large red no fish farm zone – a pathetic display of public servant arrogance.
#3 “It is about being intelligent. It is about thinking about what is right and what is wrong. It is about standing up and having a voice”
Absolutely agree #3- but I rather suspect #3 has in
mind these should only be available to - at the moment- the ‘No Fish Farming’ side.
It is this side that has the “decent normal folk”
and the other side that is obsessed by “uncontrolled greed”
It is #3’s side that is composed of “civilised…informed people” - the ‘others’ are only concerned with “self-interest” and “jobs”
I wonder if being concerned about ensuring ‘jobs’ are being constantly created is such a bad thing?
Or do those with that concern not “give a stuff” about “the environment”?
And just maybe #3 isn’t interested in getting away from the (obsessive?) “very active fight of the past 9+ years” to consider the “real concern” of those with other points of view?
We have been warned at #1. Straight from the horse’s mouth we have TGC’s warning that the Tassal assault on Oakhampton Bay is “Forestry all over again”.
Trev clearly means that yet another LibLab sponsor has been given carte blanche for an environmental ground zero on public land.
#5 As always- if I can make comments that bring a little happiness into a life that clearly struggles to find it- I am glad of the opportunity.
#4 TGC - I’m afraid I do not follow any of what you are saying - must be me. I truly just wanted to say that it is imperative that we save the East Coast and that yesterday’s People Power was democracy in action by intelligent thinking citizens.
I have no issue with hearing “other points of view”... it is just that I am yet to hear anything from the other side that is based on any intelligent thinking whatsoever when it comes to our scarce and most precious resource on this planet – and that is our water.
I will not hijack this post with the Russell River matter as I did with a recent Macquarie Harbour article - suffice to say if I am obsessive then I make no apology. I am in a unique position where my 5 acre property borders the Russell and I get to see the downstream result of the HAC fish shit every day of the year. It is a travesty, it is destroying a once pristine mountain stream, and it is apparent our illustrious head in the sand leaders and Frances Bender don’t give a toss!!
And as for jobs… it is nigh time we accepted that with an ever increasing world population, with ever decreasing resources, and with ever increasing technology we must accept that future generations will not have such a thing called a “job”. Forestry became more mechanised. Aquaculture is rapidly trending the same way. Time to put a stop to the jobs, jobs, jobs mantra.
If the fish farm was put further off the coast there would be more jobs and it would be cleaner. Just one little problem. Less profit.
And can someone help me with this hypothetical?
If I put a plan into my council for some construction project, then 20 years later sold my property and the purchaser tried to implement the plan, what would happen?
#7 “Time to put a stop to the jobs, jobs, jobs mantra”- not a very good attitude for a ‘concerned’ citizen to adopt. It gives the strong impression of lacking concern for those in desperate need to be employed-to have a job. Clearly #7 doesn’t “give a toss”
Bet TGC is an old bastard like me, pensioned off on the fat of the land. His/Her mentality shaped in the 50s/60s by our parents and grandparents where the philosophy was, ‘if it moves, shoot it’ if it doesn’t, chop it down and if its warm, …. it!
It’s a very different world now, yes we need jobs, but not at the cost of an environment which is being destroyed by greed and lust for control by a few. Our children and their children have a far more balanced outlook as they have to survive into the future, gord help them, cause all we want to do is line our pockets at the cost of “Clean Green”
#9 TGC .. this is our first TT interaction and I truly thought you were of greater wisdom Trevor. But it appears not as you simply choose to ignore the context of what I am saying and instead find some minute detail and attack.
I won’t bother trying to paraphrase again my comments in #7 - I thought I clarified my view and sought a better response from you. Obviously I failed.
Don’t shoot the messenger Trevor. It is not me who is preventing jobs. It is not because my want for this industry (Aquaculture and Forestry) to clean up their act and operate responsibly that is preventing jobs. I am simply saying, It is time to accept that we are already in a period of history when it is simply not possible for every person on this planet who wants a job can have a job. It is time to think about how we need to change the model. Sweden has been experimenting with a 6 hour working day. Ancient Greek society had poets, philosophers and bards - maybe this is our future… and please don’t scoff at this thought
#9. Trevor of the ruinous Liberal party inclinations, I had put together a plan that would generate new money coming into Tasmania with no costs associated to the State government, just by seeking to advertise this State to attract from the magnitude of constantly increasing cashed-up retirees.
Those retirees all wanting a new or established quality home.
Then the bit that becomes the ridiculous shitting-off bit, this new proposal would not cost this State government a brass razoo, if any thing they would benefit by ‘the stamp duties and transfer fees’ gained from every now home acquisition by these retirees.
By re-allocating a portion of Tasmania’s tourist advertising budget allocations to then be directed to selling this retirement destination campaign.
This type of action would soon begin to add to the current middling external in-flows of lot’s of new money, as well as many of these retirees would want some changes toward their newly purchased retirement residence, the prospect for much more State employment would be greatly enhanced as well.
Would you believe me if I told you your Liberal mates are simply not interested, why I don’t know, maybe its because their cronies may not be able to scam these new cashed up potential Tasmanians via some shifty method or another. beats me Mr Liberal voting TGC.
This optimistic approach to retirees many years ago boosted Queensland’s fortunes immeasurably.
I now leave you the opportunity to shit-can this proposal that I had dispatched off to the State government some 3 or so years ago, nope I never ever received a letter of reply.
Bear in mind this proposal would not cost this State government a dicky bird of State revenues, only ever boost the State revenues to then be able to pan out even more money to their cronies.
Of course their would be no increased provision for the government to consider improving or even replacing the State citizen’s welfare issues as they are already being pruned severely enough almost every year with the result of their pruning now leaving little more than root-stock.
Just have a quick study of this State’s hospital bed situation, if I was a government minister imposing the severe cuts to hospital funding I would be deeply ashamed.
But if one is a Liberal voting person why give a damn toward the citizens who are in desperate need.
I imagine Michael Ferguson is comfortably happy to be chomping on eye filet steak washed down with a fine vintage red?
Then to add to the agony this is all we can expect from the non-caring Liberal party-non-people-representing blind-minded coalition of Lib/Lab State ministers.
Seems like someone from Marine Protection Tasmania can’t count. They reckon they had 300 boats with an average of 10 people on board. Yet their own photos above show little more than 100. Alternative facts only work if you hide the truth, not publish it yourself.
One thing that struck me about the FloatMo protest (yes, I was there) was the noticeable absence of those type of people normally at environmental protests. Seemed like half of Sandy Bay was there. It certainly was the most affluently dressed protest that I’ve ever been to, not like the days of the forest wars.
You could interpret this a number of ways but the cynic in me suspects that those attending are more interested in protecting their playground on the East Coast than in wider environmental issues. It’s truly a First World Problem when we place recreation over food production.
#11-”...and please don’t scoff at this thought”
“Scoff”! Who? Me?
But…was there ever “a time in history when it is simply not possible for every person on this planet who want(ed) a job (could) have a job.”?
And despite your protests you did contribute…“Time to put a stop to the jobs, jobs, jobs mantra.” at #7
As to #10 “Bet TGC is an old bastard like me,...”
Not sure what sort of “old bastard” #10 is…but judging by the contribution at #10- I don’t think I am of the same…although if #10 is a “Clean and Green” person- then we may have something in common?
#14 Again you’ve lost me TGC - too hard. More little grabs from my copy… I refer to the jobs mantra as being the words espoused by all parties these days as if that is the ONLY important thing in our society. Is that because they want the votes - of course it is ... at whatever cost.
Aquaculture - we already have overseas operations feeding the large deep water pens via a computer controlled power house type set up. One person in a room anywhere in the world sending feed out to the pens in long pipes and all sorts of cameras and monitors looking at the fish. One job… no need for a bus load of semi skilled workers (no offence) to boat out, feed the fish, check the pens. Jobs TGC.. the world is changing real fast. We already have increasing part time employment rather than full time. Time to get real and accept it ain’t like the old days.. No more gold watches on retirement these days Trevor!!
#13 To feed the masses we need to be clever Bart. We cannot afford to shit in our own nest so to speak. The way it is going Aquaculture will come and go as we see it today. Already happening overseas. Rather than label the protesters as Sandy Bay mob Bart.. let’s just say educated and well dressed. Thinking people who have had enough of the spin. Enough of the rhetoric. I echoed you sentiment in #3. Good to see the interest of a wider demographic not accepting the greed.
#15 There’s no wriggle room: “I refer to the jobs mantra as being the words espoused by all parties these days as if that is the ONLY important thing in our society” That’s not how #7 comes out- you are despising of the idea of ‘jobs’ -but you have no foundation for that- whilst more jobs will always be very handy- a certain level of ‘unemployment’ is essential to a ‘full economy’ and it must always be the aim of government to assist capital to create jobs.It is much less desirable that governments use our capital-via taxes- to create jobs.
Now, whenever protesters get about demanding this or that be shut down-or not begun in the first place- they are almost always tightening the jobs opportunity- and, eventually, making it even more difficult for governments to provide the services which ought to be their role- health facilities, places of education, some-though not all- infrastructures.etc.
If you have a careful listen-or do a ‘between the lines’ read- the ‘No Salmon in Oakhampton” rally has bigger fish to fry- sorry about that- It’s
‘No Salmon Nowhere” - well ‘No Fish Farms’.
Personally I don’t really mind either way- but I do think it ironic that many of those knocking the ‘science’ behind the fish farm approvals are staunch climate change science enthusiasts.
Mind you- I’m ‘ironic’ about that too-but from the opposite point of view!
#16 I “think” we are on the same page about jobs. But to suggest I despise the idea of jobs is a total nonsense Trevor and a decoy from the philosophical view I am attempting to espouse about our changing world. I leave that with you.
I certainly disagree however with your suggestion about No Fish Farms Nowhere (Anywhere). This is not a black and white debate, and nor is/was Forestry for that matter. Please point to just one example of where “anyone” who has entered this debate is suggesting there be “No Salmon Farming Anywhere”.. and it has nothing to do with being a climate change enthusiast - that is an entirely different topic.
The only relevance between the two is that Salmon Farming needs cold water.. and guess what… that is no longer a given in this rapidly warming world to include our Tasmanian waters.
Those who are serious thinkers about where and how Salmon Farming fits in want no more than the industry, our regulators and our governments to do the right thing.
Listen to “truly independent” science - not only their own or that paid for by them, listen to the environment and consider other users of these scarce resources. Simple.
What a brawl we humans have over what should be sensible and sustainable work practices in all activities including salmon farming.
On one hand there is a group of people who want to maintain our environment and on the other hand are the businesses who want to benefit (and profit) from using that environment.
Surely it’s in the best interest of everybody that the environment is preserved for the benefit of the whole community including salmon farming.
Studies have been conducted and the facts are out there. We do need to be mindful of these scientific outcomes.
However, with all the arguing and lies and vested interests being voiced, somewhere the voice of honesty and integrity must prevail.
I’m not a tree-hugger nor am I a right-wing conservative. I’m simply a retired professional woman living on this island observing the antics of people involved in this, at times, spiteful debate.
What a waste of time and money. What and why are we paying our bureaucrats to manage these issues for us…...it is they who are neglecting their duties and the public is being left to fight it out…... a useless exercise!
I wonder Helen how many State government advisors have been employed on the investigation and reportage back to the feckless about this rampant hardly checked or regulated Hydra, perhaps their advice was to simply ignore this rather controversial beast and leave it running about as if it owned the whole of this State?https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hydra
#18. At last, rationality. Thank you Helen. And I am resisting the temptation to get started on bureaucrats.
Re 16# and the quote “I do think it ironic that many of those knocking the ‘science’ behind the fish farm approvals are staunch climate change science enthusiasts”.
About 97% of the world’s scientists believe in global warming science. In other words, the science is doubted by very few people with an active brain.
Where is the irony?
The anti fish farm mob are simply people who are tired of seeing the world trashed by poor management.
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