“The carbon price is successfully cutting the pollution that’s driving global warming and bringing on more clean, renewable energy. And it’s doing so without leading to Tony Abbott’s scary $100 lamb roasts or wiping Whyalla off the map, but rather helping people make ends meet through lower taxes and higher support payments.”

All the carbon tax has done is protect the corporate ideological elite, multinationals and rip off the people.

And then this,
“Coal exports are the elephant in the room, as the Greenpeace report today shows. The Galilee Basin alone could be the world’s 7th largest polluter if it were its own country. If we don’t rein in the planned coal expansion, we have no chance of tackling global warming and preventing ever worse extreme weather.

“The Labor Party and its factional power brokers still seem to think they can talk the talk about climate change, pretend that the price on pollution is enough, and meanwhile back the polluting coal sector to the hilt. Well it doesn’t work that way.”

Wow, how deluded can you get. She is part of the labor government, so by definition in actions and non actions, is exactly the same as labor and liberals. No facts, just some stupid propaganda and denial of her own reality. How can you be reducing pollution when the facts state the opposite and you support in your parliamentary coalition, increasing coal, gas mining and export. Support with our money the dying internal combustion engine running on fossils fuels, plus encourage more fossil fuel vehicles and

you lot worrying about global gas! too funny!

i am celiac and had high methane all my life. it warms a little, but put my b0yz and me in the huntin cabin all nite and it is cold, methane and all!

so how is this planet getting h0t then?

it has always been windy here, hOt and dry in summer, with fires

yes, fires. controlling wind is the key! efforts to brake wind are sometimes futile, but you must try, lest it get worse

our neighbour had wind so bad his windows rattled. after a scary encircling fire, with kids and wife at home, his missus gave him endless curry

so he busted his arse braking wind. now the poplars are up. he was indisposed for a while, but the wind is only a whisper now, and his wife is happy

control your wind and you will be well regarded. but don’t expect miracles. the term “controlled burn” is much like “controlled wind”, there is really no such thing, the best you can do is diminish its force. it is important to be seen trying

we had the CWA senior girls here, a forestry burn was going down the valley, and as my wife served tea i felt the most terrible of winds. dare I say my sphincter snapped shut! thankfully we were blessed by a shift in the wind, and I relaxed with great relief. one does not want a conflagration among polite company

don’t expect much from the gummint. there is no rebate for property owners who broke wind in the past 12 months. clearly such assistance would help all tasmanians

the gummint tho, they are a foxy bunch, howabout that carbon tax? it stinks!

lucky theres no methane tax, i’d be broke!

lastly, why are the greenhouse gas boffins not held to account when they are found twisting figures? only yesterday I saw the headline: “Climate scientist caught out with gas, let off lightly”

Carbon tax is working well? Really?

So why is Penrice closing the Osborne (Adelaide) soda manufacturing plant and switching to imports from the USA?

The company has, quite rightly, pointed to the carbon tax as one of the things which makes local production uncompetitive against imports.

The sad part is, emissions will go up rather than down due to all the extra transport involved. But never let facts get in the way.

And before anyone says something about not being able to compete with slave labour etc, the imports are coming from the US not China. So far as factory workers are concerned, wages aren’t too bad in the US and they have pretty strict environmental laws in terms of waste disposal etc. It’s the high energy costs in Australia which are the killer.

Happy Wednesday here at the Troll Times, innit?

To celebrate I’m giving you all a free bucket of sand in which to put your head…you’ll be needing it. Oh and it’s carbon tax inclusive!

Its not possible to reason with fools and idiots. Believe what you wish, the physics and chemistry are undeniable.

Clearly, if you have or plan to have any descendants, or make a mark upon the world # 1 and 2 and their ilk including Hunt, it is for your own gratification and not out of concern for what you leave.

Shaun, Penrice’s soda plant in Adelaide was aging and decrepit in the early nineties. I am amazed it has lasted this long. I see a large element of blame deflection in that announcement.

And Phil the really big worry is that there are so many fools and idiots including some very prominent ones in the Commonwealth Parliament! Dogma and ignorance won’t make the problem go away.

Oh Phil at number 5 you are so right.
A.K. I love your passion and fire but you are a tad misdirected. Do we really have to explain again how the current parliament works (or doesn’t work as the case may be).

The Greens are not part of Labor. They are still their own party. I don’t know the exact figures but as a simplified example, lets say the greens have 3/8s of the senate vote,
Labor also has 3/8 and lets say Liberals have 2/8, giving none the majority to rule outright but only Labor more of a majority to negotiate a combined government with the Greens,
otherwise no policy can be enacted.
However if Libs and Labs lock in together on a policy, say regarding foreign coal exports, there is still nothing the Greens can do about it, other than talk and try to desuade either side.
Which is what Christine is attempting in this speech. She acknowledges herself the absurdity of enacting a carbon tax on polluters while continuing to export to China and India.
So what we need is for people to get educated, get off the fence, get their facts straight and finally tell government once and for all that we want fossil fuel mining, export and burning to stop.
While we continue to hope that science is wrong, or believe the stupid figures the corporate paid deniers throw at us, the longer we remian unsure and the longer government fiddles around.
They are only there to do what who ever shoutsthe loudest and pays them the most tell them to do, and when the message is clear enough they do it. But if we keep telling them our priority is jobs, and we don’t want to lose our high quality of life or else
out they go, then they will continue to falter and placate those who can provide that, big industry.
Yes some jobs might be lost, the economy might take a hit, but if we get the facts straight we can realise that those are really the least of our problems.
New jobs can be made, people can be re-educated and we can change the growth paradigm on which our economy is based if we could drastically reverse population growth. We cannot remediate the planet once it is trashed for good.

If average joe could get off their arse long enough to stop chugging Maccas and watching Masterchef to get educated and demand an end to high executive bonuses and payouts, government
retirement salaries and perks, demand campaign spending transparency and demand that mining pays a fair shre for the profits they make off our resources then perhaps the economy wouldn’t have to take a hit.

The simple fact is, we just want a quiet life, to eat well in a safe environment and get a good nights sleep, so we are all too willing to handover control to those most keen to take conrol,
who are usually a sicophantic, megalomaniacal git. Its not ‘you get what you pay for’, but ‘you get what you are willing to accept’.
Money is not the root of all evil, its complacency. While we are asleep at the wheel, someone with their own twisted agenda is more than happy to take over.

well, calling me a troll coz I admit to a little methane problem, that’s rich!

but my kids call me the same so i shall let it pass

or was it the subtle politics of my post that provoked such name-calling?

i don’t doubt global warming is coming

nothing will stop global warming, except running out of oil

let me tell you a secret

some years ago a star chamber of high potency citizens told the Taz gummint that climate change would benefit this island state

they decided everything should be done to assist global warming

this is how the growth in clearfell logging came about

huge clearfells would reduce water vapour and hence rainfall, and increase temperatures. brilliant!

lord knows, Taz needs a couple of extra degrees and less drizzle! this would mean a longer tourist season and faster potatoes

if it worked well, we might even have our own Vegas! we have the people in this state to achieve such things

the pulp mill was meant to get rid of the tree waste, making a few pennies in the process

but no, the greens wouldn’t have it, and now look! more cold, more drizzle!

i have done my own global warming prep. i planted coconut palms on my east coast beach off the farm, and i built a Bamboo Lounge outdoor bar and grill for tourism.

its not been without challenges

i went away two weeks and came back and all the trees on the hill were gone! i confronted the men on heavy equipment and said what the $%%^!!& are you doing and they said: “We are from forestry and we are doing out bit for global warming. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!”

so i sat down and we had a smoke

i adapted by planting cactus on the hill. perfect for the theme. a win!

adaption is the KEY word. not tax. i already pay too much tax, i can hardly keep up

none of us have money to burn, only trees

#8 it seems parts of my post didn’t make it, for whatever reason, so it’s a bit disjointed.  May be wrong, but many are constantly commenting how well our parliament doesn’t works, which is not reflected in voting trends. Have not spoken to anyone in the last few months who thinks our parliament or the party system is working in any way, yet when voting day comes, they will dutifully like true slaves, put their mark for the party system and nothing will change. Ideology instills a fear change, even when the current situation demands change or disaster, clones would rather stick within the comfort of their programming than avoid disaster. History is proof of that and your post is a reflection of that fact, excuses denial and buck passing.

You may easily fool yourself into believing there is any difference between the greens, lib/lab, or any other party, but they are all driven by the same egocentric desire for power, control and ideological deception at any price and none of them have a clue about anything of use.

The greens are in coalition with labour, here and federally, they vote as a block with labour, making them no different, unless your life consists of denial. The greens can walkout of the coalition and stick to their empty guns, but prefer the power they have to do nothing of relevance to the future, just more of the same. You may continue to hope science is wrong, I dropped that irresponsible denial back in the early 1970’s.

Real people are educated in life, they know what’s going on, but not what to do. Supposedly educated people are running the country and planet, the results of having an elitist bunch of empty heads in charge is for all to see. What you class as an education is in reality indoctrinated programming into uselessness in real life, the results are right in front of you.

If the greens they had any guts they would vote against both lib/lab, produce realistic alternatives and show they a real aims and rational decisions that will provide a future. All they do is babble out stupid polices which the vast majority aren’t interested in, then vote with their ilk. Laughably they then make out they are against what they have supported and voted for. Sure clones will be sucked in, dismiss the real facts, try to make out it didn’t happen and “hope”. How’s that working for you a the moment.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the whole Greens party thing A.K. I believe they do have a different set of priorities otherwise why wouldn’t they join the parties that actually have the numbers if their ideology was the same.

Otherwise I think we agree on alot. I do not hope that science is wrong. I know they aren’t unfortunately. I do agree that much of our education system is useless. It teaches people what to think rather than how to think logically, ehtically and compassionately. By and large it creates sheep that don’t rock the boat and keep the system chugging along nicely.

By getting educated, I was more referring to reading and exploring the wealth of knowledge languishing in our libraries and on the internet.
Becoming aware and asking questions and taking our leaders to task on their decisions. Is it any wonder they don’t want this to happen.

The problem is we have a systematic approach to everything, which is numeric in form when we are organic, non numeric beings. Systems don’t work for everyone and the square pegs (who are the well springs of innovation and originality) who don’t conform get ironed out or marginalised. When we believe a system ‘works’ it gets entrenched but when the system is wrong the ‘wrongness’ becomes systemic and spans generations. How can we raise children with better values, logic, compassion, reason and ethics when the parents and teachers themselves rarely have them.

Lets forget the politicians because really they are superfluous. They aren’t running the show. Corporate interests are the ones jerking the strings. What i was advocating was for people to get educated and see this and with the choices they make, send a clear message that we run the show and they must do what we want.
We just have to find a way to stand together and send a very strong message that the system has to change. If we keep swallowing the shit they feed us, they’ll keep dishing it up.

For what its worth (granted not very much) the Greens are the only ones advocating this, this is the political system we have and its compulsory to vote, so thats who get my vote. Its not about having the guts, its about having the numbers and we are the ones that give them the numbers with our votes.
But that is not the end of it. I do not see this as the end to my responsibility and I carry on beside as well as despite them.

Number 9 you are tooo funny by half :-)
Nothing like a bit of absurdity to remind us how pointless alot of this back and forthing is

well, first i am a troll and now i am asburd!

at least at the stock auctions they only say such things to my face!

the moderator here could do a better job

i am not a prim madonna but i have started lawsuits for personal slanders. yes i am a sewer, so tread carefully

but more importantly, please people, forget worrying about global gas, it will only make you turn to valium and beta blockers

people say we will go like the dinosaurs, but dinosaurs had tiny brains and no thumbs, and they were too big

we are smaller and smarter

look at what mankind has to take us into the future ...

*gene mod food - more tucker
*better and better pesticides - more tucker
*better and better herbicides - more tucker
*selective breeding - more tucker
*intensive monocultures - more tucker, and wood
*aquaculture - the fish you actually want, not what takes the hook

dinosaurs had none of this

and to top it off, some lovely warmer weather is coming!

mankind will never be extinct, if only because there are such numbers. when oil runs out and it hits the fan, we can eat each other for at least a decade, and there will still be plenty left!  our future is assured

let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, tho, i wouldn’t know who to let stay at my B&B, but then i spose you have to take the initiative like sweeney todd

The silly strategy of climate changers/global warmers and their carbon tax sticks of selective prejudice, is that had the 1960s-70s ills of Pollution and Overpopulation just kept evidencing their irrefutable arguments of environmental harm, their case was close to have ben proved and globally supported.

For curbing pollution and overpopulation has and continues to be the common underlying cause of the fancy and harder proved human-induced climate change.
 
The politically skewed climate change theory has only destructively undermined the logical, well-accepted and empircally proved problem of human pollution and overpopulation.

To me this deception and distraction has been the political goal all along.

A. Pollution is real.
B.  Overpopulation and its consumerist demand is real.
C.  Global Warming is a deliberate political movement to distract us from A and B.

I have no time for Global Warming evangelists pushing sea level rises and other such globalist anarchy.

Is Christine still asking for a carbon price of $60 per tonne? Last week the EU price had collapsed to $6, as the whole corrupt and useless system is falling part. The poor deluded EU has spent many 100s of billions on this Scheme with almost no reduction in emissions. And in 2015 Combet will have us hooked-in to this fiasco - if it survives that long. For half of what the EU has spent on c-taxes to benefit no-one ( let alone climate) they could have bought out and shut down the big emitters. I think they call this Direct Action. By the end of 2013 we will see this sensible solution applied in OZ.

One weather event prooves nothing so now we have Brisbane 2010, 2011 and 2013, all in the summer or cyclne season. Tell me its not related when the flooding is at the higher end of the scale in line with the modelling for major rainfall events.

Only the really stupid ignore warning signs and alarm bells.

Did Australia have cyclones, floods, fires, drought before European settlement?