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Ah Finland, so exotic and as we know and you have shown things Australian stink.
Posted by on 14/08/06 at 10:18 PMIt all stinks.
Fortunately my Henry lost his sense of smell after accidently snorting a cardamon pod which I had a hell of a time removing.
Keep up the good work.
Posted by on 15/08/06 at 12:28 AMYou can’t copy a single word from Gunns’ draft Pulp Mill study. I
emailed them and phoned them about this and a senior manager told me
that the reason they only released a PDF of the text is because
releasing the text would threaten their copyright and their intellectual
property.This argument is redundant in law (which itself protects copyright) and
useless in practice against hackers, but still they refuse.A text version would open the document to far deeper comparative and
systematic textual analysis.Bernard Lloyd
TaroonaPosted by on 15/08/06 at 02:11 AMI met a banker on a boat cruise last week. He was Malaysian, here a week
settling his daughter into university. He was surprised to see a salmon
farm in the river. He knew about their pollution loads, he knew about
the salmon’s status as some kind of underwater rabbit, and he was
perplexed because he had always admired Australians for saying ‘No’ to
such environmentally destructive schemes. ‘You Australians really love
nature. You wouldn’t let it be destroyed just for money’, he said this
quite urgently. And because only minutes before that we had seen through
the underwater camera kelp beds, dozens of brightly coloured sponges and
a large wrasse curiously swimming by, and because before that, near
Kingston, we had watched one of two bright-white sea eagles swoop from a
cliff-top perch right in front of the boat—I couldn’t… I just couldn’t
bring myself to reveal to him the pulp mill proposal. Should I have?Bernard Lloyd
TaroonaPosted by on 15/08/06 at 02:13 AMAs usual don’t let the truth interfere with the story. You claim this mill will use 80% old growth. What utter rubbish it will be fed on Plantation & regrowth forests and some native forests. NOT ONE STICK OF OLD GROWTH TO BE USED.
Posted by on 15/08/06 at 06:49 AMWell of course that makes it all okay, doesn’t it? Give it time, Tess. If Gunns can’t get tax breaks for plantations, where will it source feedstock for the mill if it goes ahead?
I think of such things when I’m not pissing myself at the claims on the TV ads that we need this mill to keep our young people in the state, or if the mill doesn’t go ahead we might as well all pack our bags and leave.
Seriously--does the PR brains trust at Cimitiere Street expect anyone to believe that crap?
Posted by on 15/08/06 at 12:43 PMTess, sorry used the wrong word, just checked the IIS it uses the word “native forest” not old growth, “80% native forest 20% plantation”. Sorry two words (but important) in 4200, hardly getting in the way of facts though, when the issue being raised is Odor incidents, real estate, complaints procedures and and comparision in performance of existing Australian pulp mills.
Love This Valley.
Posted by on 15/08/06 at 01:43 PMCould someone responsible for the pro-mill ads please explain why we need to keep young people in this state? I left here when I was young, so did my kids, and I damned well hope that my grandkids will too.
They can come back, like I did, when they’re old enough to retire and enjoy the quiet lifestyle and the scenery. The pulp mill won’t help this.
Posted by Justa Bloke on 16/08/06 at 12:36 AMWhy would we believe what Gunns says in the IIS? What evidence is there that Gunns will behave any differently than a mess of similar pulp mills that have fouled the air, land and water of vast areas of other countries.
Gunns survival relies on government tax breaks and freebies courtesy of Tasmanian taxpayers. Gunns is basically like a perfectly fit ‘welfare’ case, constantly crying poor and jobs while wrecking the countryside and threatening Tasmania’s lifestyle.
To believe the optimistic claims of Gunns just because it’s written in the IIS, is a mug’s game. The optimistic scenario is there to convince politicians to keep the gravy train running for Gunns. Get real people or get stunk out.
Posted by on 16/08/06 at 02:09 AMWhat are you people on about? Of course we need to keep our young people in the state. The reason Tasmania is lagging behind the rest of the country in wages, living standards etc is because our young, qualified people are moving to mainland states for better wages. Our state needs projects like this in order to move ahead. We need our young professionals to stay in Tasmania to put something back into OUR economy.
As for the comments about Gunns’ IIS being full of lies, I think the outlay of $11 million on the impact statement might get them facts rather than fiction.
Posted by on 29/08/06 at 05:52 AMBut why, Julian, why??
If young, qualified people can make a go of it elsewhere, why should we insist on them staying in Tasmania? Why should we even go out of our way to tempt them to stay?
(Not that the prospect of working in a pulp mill seems all that tempting.)
Why must we ‘move ahead’? What is there up ahead that we are searching for and how will we know when we have found it?
To believe that it is possible to keep moving ahead forever is to believe that the earth is flat.
Posted by Justa Bloke on 29/08/06 at 07:58 AM“we need to keep our young people in the state”
I suggest leg irons!
They can come back you know!
Sometimes it seems this state is full of silly small town people scared of the outside world. Gosh, My Henry and me used to only drink tea but now we quite enjoy cappuccinos.
Posted by on 29/08/06 at 09:07 AMOf course young people can come back but the reason we need them here is to increase TASMANIA’s productivity and hence OUR wages and living standards.
Yes, they can and do move back, usually just in time to retire, buy relatively cheap housing, no longer contribute to the economy, live off pensions, fill the hospitals, and absorb government funding.
At the moment, there are 7 workers for every retiree. When my generation (Y) retire, the ratio will be 3:1. Forgive me for being a little bit worried about my future.
Posted by on 30/08/06 at 02:23 AMTESS,
just use the brains you were born with, FACT 1, with the machinery now being used (I have seen it ! have you ?) a football field can be and is being cleared in a matter of hours. FACT 2.it takes 20 or more years for “ONE” tree to reach the stage of harvesting, FACT 3, these bloody vandals are spending countless millions on this project, now how in blazes can you you or any one else really believe that plantation can keep up with the clear felling, it,s pure common sense, once this obscenity is established,they will figure they have “carte blanche” to everything, and you can say goodbye to what at present is one of the worlds few remaining treasure,s
d.d.Posted by on 12/10/06 at 11:52 PMDON,
FACT 1, yes I’ve seen it they have been logging plantations out the end of our road for years.FACT 2, the industry are currently planting 3 times what they are harvesting and within 6 months new little trees are growing, the best thing about plantation is they don’t need to burn between harvestings so I’m sure that will keep Brenda happy (althought I’m sure she’ll find something else to whinge about).
FACT 3, the only vandals here are the radical green ones that come onto worksites undercover of darkness & destroy contractors machinery
With the amount this state has locked up approx 90% Old Growth over 40 % of our Land Mass there will still be plenty for future generations.
Posted by on 13/10/06 at 10:02 AMMy Henry is losing his sight in both eyes, but Tess it seems you have only lost sight in one eye.
You are a sucker for the forestry/red-neck/bogan spin. Everytime machinery is vandalised, it is greens that are blamed (to much media fanfare). Subsequent police investigations then show that it is almost certainly rival forestry workers/contractors, disgruntle ex-employees, or kids. Rarely is anyone charged.
Posted by on 14/10/06 at 11:40 AMis salsa a good exercise? (dance) if yes then don’t build the pulp mill, as what would happen to our health if us salsa dancer’s breathed in the polluted fumes from the unwanted pulp mill?
Posted by on 13/08/07 at 11:18 AMshould high school students get homework on fridays??? Should a pupl mill be built in Blacktown, Sydney and not beautiful Tassie???
Posted by on 13/08/07 at 11:21 AMTess you lost me when you started ranting about radical greens .... yawn. That is all you pro logging, pro destruction, pro stinking mill people can ever go on about; it is sooooooo boring that you can’t come up with anything more intelligent. Please read ‘Banks, pulp and paper’ available on this site
http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/comments/banks-pulp-and-paper/
before making any other fatuous remarks. As for keeping young people in the state I would hope we have higher ambitions for them than working with dangerous chemicals (plantations and the mill) or dangerous machinery logging and log trucking.Posted by on 14/08/07 at 04:47 AMRe Tess, who boldly states: “With the amount this state has locked up approx 90% Old Growth over 40 % of our Land Mass there will still be plenty for future generations.”
Are you suggesting that 90% of old growth forest in Tasmania is locked up, Tess? I suspect you are sadly mistaken. I would like you to indicate your source for this claim, please.
I suspect that the reality is the reverse; only about 11% of old growth is currently in reserves, and the foresters have their beady little eyes on about half of that. Contradict me if you can.
Posted by on 15/08/07 at 07:45 PM#10. ‘What are you people on about? Of course we need to keep our young people in the state.’
Nonsense. If we can get 300 young kids to go to the mainland, we won’t need the mill, will we?
Posted by on 15/08/07 at 11:21 PMTESS,
just use the brains you were born with.He is!
Posted by on 15/08/07 at 11:27 PM
